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Post by rcb on Nov 22, 2017 11:14:05 GMT
No denying that Bignot was not my preferred choice. Not even in the top three. However, I have been prepared to give him a fair go in achieving the target set for him by the board. My target was short term in keeping us up. I assumed that was the unanimous target for all fans, including the board.
My niggling concern now is that the target may have been more about the longer term, in developing for the future even if it is in a lower division. We seem to be signing players “for the future”, and not experienced battlers for the immediate task. We are not picking up the points we need to avoid relegation. We need 52 to be safe for sure, using our first season in the National League as a yardstick, so 34 more points from 25 games. 9 wins, 7 draws and 9 losses. I can’t see where those 9 wins will come from.
Simple question. Has Bignot been appointed for the future, or to avoid relegation?
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Post by sqzl on Nov 22, 2017 11:25:36 GMT
No denying that Bignot was not my preferred choice. Not even in the top three. However, I have been prepared to give him a fair go in achieving the target set for him by the board. My target was short term in keeping us up. I assumed that was the unanimous target for all fans, including the board. My niggling concern now is that the target may have been more about the longer term, in developing for the future even if it is in a lower division. We seem to be signing players “for the future”, and not experienced battlers for the immediate task. We are not picking up the points we need to avoid relegation. We need 52 to be safe for sure, using our first season in the National League as a yardstick, so 34 more points from 25 games. 9 wins, 7 draws and 9 losses. I can’t see where those 9 wins will come from. Simple question. Has Bignot been appointed for the future, or to avoid relegation? I'd like to think both. Although i do think the board are wise enough to know that this is going to be a difficult task no matter who we appointed. MB would be a good man to have at the helm in terms of bringing in young talented players and trying to generate income from them, he's also very passionate which was a must after the dull JM. For me he ticks a lot of boxes, and would be ideal for the National North, should that happen. Fingers crossed though, as a few others have pointed out, the 5-6 games over Christmas and New year will almost certainly determine our fate. We need all the away support possible at Guiseley on NYD. |
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Post by hughdemann on Nov 22, 2017 12:25:48 GMT
There is of course cause for concern, but I think we have the players good enough to avoid the drop.
Look at Wrexham top, their winner last night would have been disallowed by some referees for a push on the goalie, and Solihull squandered a few chances.
We should have took 3 points last night (missing a pen and Orient reduced to 10 men)
Anyone can beat anyone in this league, we just need to roll our sleeves up and start winning at home.
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Nov 22, 2017 12:45:21 GMT
Experienced battlers was what McCarthy tried to do in the Summer and look where that got us? What we ended up with was a squad long past its sell by date.
I think Bignot is signing players with one eye on the future.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 13:08:30 GMT
He is also only signing what he can afford.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 22, 2017 13:21:14 GMT
Whether we stay up or go down, which wouldn't be the disaster people are making it out to be IMO, Bignot is still the right man for the club.
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Post by chesterken on Nov 22, 2017 13:34:19 GMT
Whether we stay up or go down, which wouldn't be the disaster people are making it out to be IMO, Bignot is still the right man for the club. I fully agree even if we go down we should give him time to rebuild in the summer ready for next season |
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Post by lookingin on Nov 22, 2017 13:34:22 GMT
There is no need to be worried. What ever happeneds on the last day of the season will be. We will still have our club. I just hope the board have a business plan for if we stay up or go down. As a club I think this coming summer we are at a crossroad what ever happens. Our biggest player bugget is this year and this is our poorest team. We can blame lots of people at the club. But as I'm told they are part time and love the club . So we will have to do with what we have. But the crossroad is coming and some people aren't going to like it
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Post by rcb on Nov 22, 2017 13:57:24 GMT
I have no doubt that Marcus Bignot was chosen because he came across as the “best man for the job”. What I don’t know is what the board considered was the priority “job”. There must have been a prioritised list of targets against which each of the candidates were considered. I simply want to know whether “avoiding relegation” or “building for the future” was the higher priority.
This is NOT a criticism of MB, but merely an attempt to establish what his remit priority is.
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Post by sqzl on Nov 22, 2017 16:20:41 GMT
I think going down would be a bigger issue than people like to recognise. It's a backwards step for us as a club, and realistically does anyone see us bouncing straight back with some of the sides in that division now? I don't.
We really do need to stay up this season and give MB a chance to build his own side this summer, in the national league, not the national north. I don't think attendances would drop too badly, depending on price, but i don;t think the price would change or we'd have no hope coming up against some bank rolled sides in that league.
Staying up must be priority, surely?
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Post by chesterken on Nov 22, 2017 17:56:24 GMT
I think going down would be a bigger issue than people like to recognise. It's a backwards step for us as a club, and realistically does anyone see us bouncing straight back with some of the sides in that division now? I don't. We really do need to stay up this season and give MB a chance to build his own side this summer, in the national league, not the national north. I don't think attendances would drop too badly, depending on price, but i don;t think the price would change or we'd have no hope coming up against some bank rolled sides in that league. Staying up must be priority, surely? We wouldn’t have to bonce right back just be in the mix until the end of the season , win some games instead of being perennial strugglers year in year out. I think the gates would rise with some big games to look forward too, it’s not what we want but I don’t think it would be a total disaster |
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Post by sqzl on Nov 22, 2017 18:01:16 GMT
I think going down would be a bigger issue than people like to recognise. It's a backwards step for us as a club, and realistically does anyone see us bouncing straight back with some of the sides in that division now? I don't. We really do need to stay up this season and give MB a chance to build his own side this summer, in the national league, not the national north. I don't think attendances would drop too badly, depending on price, but i don;t think the price would change or we'd have no hope coming up against some bank rolled sides in that league. Staying up must be priority, surely? We wouldn’t have to bonce right back just be in the mix until the end of the season , win some games instead of being perennial strugglers year in year out. I think the gates would rise with some big games to look forward too, it’s not what we want but I don’t think it would be a total disaster Fair play Ken, some good points and hard to argue with those. I guess it's my personal preference but I see some big games like Tranmere next season and such and really don't want to miss those. I appreciate we may have Stockport and a few others if relegation happens but to me that's a tough division and people may equally lose interest. |
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Post by onetrevorstorton on Nov 22, 2017 19:02:25 GMT
Whether we stay up or go down, which wouldn't be the disaster people are making it out to be IMO, Bignot is still the right man for the club. for once I agree with you  |
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Post by spencerwhelanleftpeg on Nov 22, 2017 19:15:19 GMT
Sqzl there are 500+ Home fans who have already lost interest it seems. I’m not sure how conference north football would affect gates. I feel it’s a backward step into regional football but one which let’s face it is slowly becoming a reality sadly. It’s a big ask for us to win 9 draw 7 and loose 9 of the remaining 25 games. We certainly need a good return from these next run of games up to and including the game in West Yorkshire on NYD. BTW we could start the new year with a pint 🍺 that afternoon.
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Post by bing on Nov 22, 2017 20:12:41 GMT
Sqzl there are 500+ Home fans who have already lost interest it seems. I’m not sure how conference north football would affect gates. I feel it’s a backward step into regional football but one which let’s face it is slowly becoming a reality sadly. It’s a big ask for us to win 9 draw 7 and loose 9 of the remaining 25 games. We certainly need a good return from these next run of games up to and including the game in West Yorkshire on NYD. BTW we could start the new year with a pint 🍺 that afternoon. I understand why people say the whole 'win 9, draw 7, lose 9' argument, but surely the other sides would have to say the same (apart from Orient winning 8 instead). |
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Post by sqzl on Nov 22, 2017 20:18:39 GMT
Sqzl there are 500+ Home fans who have already lost interest it seems. I’m not sure how conference north football would affect gates. I feel it’s a backward step into regional football but one which let’s face it is slowly becoming a reality sadly. It’s a big ask for us to win 9 draw 7 and loose 9 of the remaining 25 games. We certainly need a good return from these next run of games up to and including the game in West Yorkshire on NYD. BTW we could start the new year with a pint 🍺 that afternoon. Ha ha will definitely be having a pint before the match at Guiseley if you're about, taking my dad to that one as well. Here's to hoping for some positive results upcoming! |
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Post by ivawhopper on Nov 22, 2017 21:38:29 GMT
No way will we go down. We have a top manager, a decent squad and results have been good lately. back to back away points, last night battling resolutely whilst under immense pressure second half. We will finish no lower than 14, mark my words. Mighty Deva army is on the march!
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Post by agl on Nov 22, 2017 23:22:31 GMT
Battling resolutely against ten men. Wish I shared your confidence.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Nov 24, 2017 20:15:28 GMT
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Post by ivawhopper on Nov 24, 2017 22:04:22 GMT
Fame at last Rio mate |
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Post by southernblue on Nov 25, 2017 15:33:46 GMT
After today, the answer to "Should I be worried?" is most definitely yes.
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Post by rcb on Nov 25, 2017 15:48:03 GMT
Although my simple question in regard to what Bignot was appointed for has not been answered, I fear, judging by his signings, he was brought in for the future. His only success as a manager has been either women’s football or at National North level. No doubt another Maguire influenced decision.
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