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Post by lookingin on Nov 25, 2017 10:23:31 GMT
I've said it before and I will say it again "we are not fan owned" out of all the members the club has who would of put all our Sam Hughes money in to one season. Not me and I think we all know how I feel about the 2 year contracts. If the board represents the fans and this is a fan owned club. How has this been able to happen. Or aloud to happen. The people with the money have killed this club and I mean club. All that money went in to players pockets and there agents. If we were fan owned it would of gone in to the club "our fan owned club"
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Post by Harry Lime on Nov 25, 2017 10:30:03 GMT
If they hadn't spent all the Sam Hughes money on the playing budget everyone would have slagging them off, for not having ambition. Hindsight is nearly always in 20/20 vision.
What would you have done with it then? You've got 20/20 vision here too. Because it's all theoretical.
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Post by lookingin on Nov 25, 2017 10:42:30 GMT
If they hadn't spent all the Sam Hughes money on the playing budget everyone would have slagging them off, for not having ambition. Hindsight is nearly always in 20/20 vision. What would you have done with it then? You've got 20/20 vision here too. Because it's all theoretical. I would of with 20/20 vision split the money 50/50. Players bugget and game day experience. With the game day experience made sure we had tickets for local teams, disabled seating, blues bar upgrade. Just for starters. This isn't 20/20 vision this is planing to build a club " fan owned club" |
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Post by richard on Nov 25, 2017 11:01:13 GMT
I've said it before and I will say it again "we are not fan owned" out of all the members the club has who would of put all our Sam Hughes money in to one season. Not me and I think we all know how I feel about the 2 year contracts. If the board represents the fans and this is a fan owned club. How has this been able to happen. Or aloud to happen. The people with the money have killed this club and I mean club. All that money went in to players pockets and there agents. If we were fan owned it would of gone in to the club "our fan owned club" Your opinion fella, but one I fundamentally disagree with. I don't think we pay much, if anything to agents. As has been mentioned, hindsight is a wonderful thing. |
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Post by superman on Nov 25, 2017 11:17:12 GMT
Whilst not agreeing with the title of the thread, I kind of get where lookingin is coming from. It would have been good to have been able to afford to put some of the Sam Hughes money into infrastructure and match day experience projects, but I guess we had to budget for last season's short fall as well as trying to improve the squad. I think the point made is very valid if not very well put, and is worthy of discussion.
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Post by tarvinblue on Nov 25, 2017 11:22:31 GMT
I think the issue lies in the fact that the board backed and allowed a manager who 90% of the fans agreed wasn't up to it to spend the Sam Hughes cash and dish out 2 year contracts. The pig-headed support for the previous encumbrant is the problem. Surely, even if they in the minority, thought he could turn it around they should have balanced giving him a chance with the implications of his sacking. Something which, let's be honest, always stood a high provability of happening based on where we were last April.
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Post by Matt on Nov 25, 2017 11:33:05 GMT
It's not been fan owned for me since we got promoted to the Conference North hence why I haven't bothered being a CFU member.
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Post by andyha on Nov 25, 2017 12:11:28 GMT
You can moan and grown all you want but the fact of the matter is - if you don't like the way the club is being run YOU can change it. Stand for election to the board, put forward your manifesto and let the fans of the club vote you in. Not many fans have that ability, so use it if your not happy.
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Post by paulie on Nov 25, 2017 12:15:42 GMT
You can moan and grown all you want but the fact of the matter is - if you don't like the way the club is being run YOU can change it. Stand for election to the board, put forward your manifesto and let the fans of the club vote you in. Not many fans have that ability, so use it if your not happy. I remember a prominent member on this board tried that, but a certain Jeff banks and a paid employee at the time shot him down on social media for daring to go against the grain. |
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Post by cfcforme on Nov 25, 2017 12:23:57 GMT
If they hadn't spent all the Sam Hughes money on the playing budget everyone would have slagging them off, for not having ambition. Hindsight is nearly always in 20/20 vision. What would you have done with it then? You've got 20/20 vision here too. Because it's all theoretical. I wouldn't have moaned. Imho one off income like that should go into infrastructure investments (blues bar, 4g training pitch etc) that will bring more sustainable income for many future years. THAT sustainable income could then be used in the playing budget. Throwing money at players is no guarantee of success and is short-termism. |
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Post by lookingin on Nov 25, 2017 13:07:59 GMT
You can moan and grown all you want but the fact of the matter is - if you don't like the way the club is being run YOU can change it. Stand for election to the board, put forward your manifesto and let the fans of the club vote you in. Not many fans have that ability, so use it if your not happy. So I take it that you agree with all Sam Hughes money all going in one go. |
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Post by rcb on Nov 25, 2017 13:52:45 GMT
The decision to keep McCarthy, and to give him the budget including the Sam Hughes money, was not representative of the so called “owners”. Time will tell, but my current opinion is that it single handedly ruined all the work done since the club reformed.
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Post by andyha on Nov 25, 2017 15:43:46 GMT
You can moan and grown all you want but the fact of the matter is - if you don't like the way the club is being run YOU can change it. Stand for election to the board, put forward your manifesto and let the fans of the club vote you in. Not many fans have that ability, so use it if your not happy. So I take it that you agree with all Sam Hughes money all going in one go. I'm in no position to make an informed judgement on that matter. All I am saying is that if you do not like the way the club is being run then you can do something about it. That is why we are fan owned. |
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Post by chesterken on Nov 25, 2017 16:04:35 GMT
So I take it that you agree with all Sam Hughes money all going in one go. I'm in no position to make an informed judgement on that matter. All I am saying is that if you do not like the way the club is being run then you can do something about it. That is why we are fan owned. I I was under the impression that we have only received half of the Hughes money with the rest due in January, this was at our request to limit our tax bill |
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Post by Harry Lime on Nov 25, 2017 18:07:34 GMT
If they hadn't spent all the Sam Hughes money on the playing budget everyone would have slagging them off, for not having ambition. Hindsight is nearly always in 20/20 vision. What would you have done with it then? You've got 20/20 vision here too. Because it's all theoretical. I would of with 20/20 vision split the money 50/50. Players bugget and game day experience. With the game day experience made sure we had tickets for local teams, disabled seating, blues bar upgrade. Just for starters. This isn't 20/20 vision this is planing to build a club " fan owned club" I think you're damned if you do, damned if you don't. Had all the new players been performing well and we were winning games, hardly anyone would care. Unfortunately they aren't. For what it's worth I posted in the summer against spending it all in one go. Probably spending £60k across two seasons and the rest on infrastructure would have been my vote. It doesn't look as if there's any more transfer fees coming in anytime soon. We had to use the Sarcevic money to stop us going broke a few years back, didn't get much from that in the long term either. |
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Post by richard on Nov 25, 2017 18:18:56 GMT
I would of with 20/20 vision split the money 50/50. Players bugget and game day experience. With the game day experience made sure we had tickets for local teams, disabled seating, blues bar upgrade. Just for starters. This isn't 20/20 vision this is planing to build a club " fan owned club" I think you're damned if you do, damned if you don't. Had all the new players been performing well and we were winning games, hardly anyone would care. Unfortunately they aren't. For what it's worth I posted in the summer against spending it all in one go. Probably spending £60k across two seasons and the rest on infrastructure would have been my vote. It doesn't look as if there's any more transfer fees coming in anytime soon. We had to use the Sarcevic money to stop us going broke a few years back, didn't get much from that in the long term either. But we have not spent it all. We couldn't have as we have only received half of the fee. |
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Post by richard on Nov 25, 2017 18:20:54 GMT
I'm in no position to make an informed judgement on that matter. All I am saying is that if you do not like the way the club is being run then you can do something about it. That is why we are fan owned. I I was under the impression that we have only received half of the Hughes money with the rest due in January, this was at our request to limit our tax bill Is that right? I thought it was Leicester who preferred the stage payment. You may be correct though. |
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Post by cfcforme on Nov 25, 2017 18:29:13 GMT
I think you're damned if you do, damned if you don't. Had all the new players been performing well and we were winning games, hardly anyone would care. Unfortunately they aren't. For what it's worth I posted in the summer against spending it all in one go. Probably spending £60k across two seasons and the rest on infrastructure would have been my vote. It doesn't look as if there's any more transfer fees coming in anytime soon. We had to use the Sarcevic money to stop us going broke a few years back, didn't get much from that in the long term either. But we have not spent it all. We couldn't have as we have only received half of the fee. I hope you're right, although we'll then have the same quandary in January when we get the second half.... Do we use that in players in the hope of an upturn in results and staying up, or do we use it on infrastructure projects. I think most will go for the former, but that will probably still see is relegated and not money left too... |
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Post by richard on Nov 25, 2017 18:32:48 GMT
But we have not spent it all. We couldn't have as we have only received half of the fee. I hope you're right, although we'll then have the same quandary in January when we get the second half.... Do we use that in players in the hope of an upturn in results and staying up, or do we use it on infrastructure projects. I think most will go for the former, but that will probably still see is relegated and not money left too... I agree, that is a quandary. My guess would be that we will need the second instalment to help with any shortfall that may exist. We will see. |
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Post by Maravilla on Nov 25, 2017 18:42:20 GMT
Sorry, but we have used all the Sam Hughes money.
The budget for the season has had all of the Sam Hughes money added into it. There won't be a choice of where to spend the additional money in January because it's already been spent - its been allocated to pay the players wages for the rest of the year.
Just on a separate note, businesses spend money they haven't received all the time - it's called cash flow.
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Post by adrianh on Nov 25, 2017 19:02:33 GMT
I was under the impression that we have only received half of the Hughes money with the rest due in January, this was at our request to limit our tax bill Is that right? I thought it was Leicester who preferred the stage payment. You may be correct though. plus you have to makes profit before you need to worry about a tax bill! |
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Post by Harry Lime on Nov 25, 2017 19:03:53 GMT
I think you're damned if you do, damned if you don't. Had all the new players been performing well and we were winning games, hardly anyone would care. Unfortunately they aren't. For what it's worth I posted in the summer against spending it all in one go. Probably spending £60k across two seasons and the rest on infrastructure would have been my vote. It doesn't look as if there's any more transfer fees coming in anytime soon. We had to use the Sarcevic money to stop us going broke a few years back, didn't get much from that in the long term either. But we have not spent it all. We couldn't have as we have only received half of the fee. Thought we'd budgeted for it. That's what Lawrence said. We know it's coming. That's why the budget is up by £80k from last year. |
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Post by Deva Chanter on Nov 25, 2017 19:05:57 GMT
But we have not spent it all. We couldn't have as we have only received half of the fee. Thought we'd budgeted for it. That's what Lawrence said. We know it's coming. That's why the budget is up by £80k from last year. It has been budgeted - as others have pointed out, if anybody thinks we've got a lovely half of the Sam Hughes fee waiting in the wings to save us in January, you are sadly mistaken. |
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Post by richard on Nov 25, 2017 19:24:41 GMT
Thought we'd budgeted for it. That's what Lawrence said. We know it's coming. That's why the budget is up by £80k from last year. It has been budgeted - as others have pointed out, if anybody thinks we've got a lovely half of the Sam Hughes fee waiting in the wings to save us in January, you are sadly mistaken. You may well be right about it being budgeted. |
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Post by spencerwhelanleftpeg on Nov 25, 2017 21:04:14 GMT
The posts on this thread suggest the likelihood is that it’s been budgeted for. Due to the rapidly changing world of football that’s simply incompetence.
Can anyone confirm if there will be anything available in the new year to assist with potentially saving our bacon?
The fan owned thing is a difficult one. I personally feel quite upset and frustrated as to how difficult it is to obtain information.
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Post by The Angry Agenda on Nov 25, 2017 21:45:57 GMT
The way things were going we had to spend a decent amount to bring in new signings, otherwise interest in
This season, and season ticket sales would have been
At an all time low. What gets me though is why McCarthy
Was allowed to blow it all, and also why he was allowed
to ensemble such an unbalanced squad without anybody
in charge asking questions ?
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Post by banksy on Nov 25, 2017 21:47:20 GMT
You can moan and grown all you want but the fact of the matter is - if you don't like the way the club is being run YOU can change it. Stand for election to the board, put forward your manifesto and let the fans of the club vote you in. Not many fans have that ability, so use it if your not happy. I remember a prominent member on this board tried that, but a certain Jeff banks and a paid employee at the time shot him down on social media for daring to go against the grain. Actually, all I did was give an opinion. I was not on the board at the time, so was I not able to give an opinion? Given DC1 and DC2 are message boards, I thought everyone was entitled to an opinion? Nothing to do with going against the grain at all. For what it's worth we need everyone to pull in the same direction right now. The club is clearly struggling and I still believe there are actually people out there that would take pleasure in seeing the club struggle and go down. There is still time on our side to get out of the predicament that we're in, other clubs can easily be pulled into the mix with just one or two good results. We need to write today off and concentrate on December. That is just the most crucial month of our reformation so far. The next 3 games are very winnable and must believe that we can win each and every one of them. We need a 90 minute performance in each of those games Get that, and the battle is on. Many have mentioned the time when Ian Atkins came in, he motivated the lads and got results, we need a repeat of that. That breeds confidence both on and off the pitch, the difference this time is we have more time and are closer to getting out of the bottom four than we were then. COYB |
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Post by Al on Nov 25, 2017 22:04:31 GMT
I remember a prominent member on this board tried that, but a certain Jeff banks and a paid employee at the time shot him down on social media for daring to go against the grain. Actually, all I did was give an opinion. I was not on the board at the time, so was I not able to give an opinion? Given DC1 and DC2 are message boards, I thought everyone was entitled to an opinion? Nothing to do with going against the grain at all. For what it's worth we need everyone to pull in the same direction right now. The club is clearly struggling and I still believe there are actually people out there that would take pleasure in seeing the club struggle and go down. There is still time on our side to get out of the predicament that we're in, other clubs can easily be pulled into the mix with just one or two good results. We need to write today off and concentrate on December. That is just the most crucial month of our reformation so far. The next 3 games are very winnable and must believe that we can win each and every one of them. We need a 90 minute performance in each of those games Get that, and the battle is on. Many have mentioned the time when Ian Atkins came in, he motivated the lads and got results, we need a repeat of that. That breeds confidence both on and off the pitch, the difference this time is we have more time and are closer to getting out of the bottom four than we were then. COYB You gave your opinion BEFORE the names and manifestos had been released - FACT. Your and that employees comments were disgusting, they flew in the face of EVERYTHING our club stood for. Just because you don't like a candidate gave you NO RIGHT to slate them on social media and bring one of the most sacred parts of our football club into disrepute |
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Post by Lobster on Nov 25, 2017 22:11:29 GMT
If he was representing the club in an official capacity at the time, I would agree, but speaking purely as a fan I think Jeff had a right to give an opinion on a potential candidate in the same way as anyone else does, although I admit I didn't see what he actually said.
The paid employee was unquestionably out of line though.
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Post by Al on Nov 25, 2017 22:13:23 GMT
If he was representing the club in an official capacity at the time, I would agree, but speaking purely as a fan I think Jeff had a right to give an opinion on a potential candidate in the same way as anyone else does, although I admit I didn't see what he actually said. The paid employee was unquestionably out of line though. He gave comment BEFORE the manifestos had been publicly released though, which was not acceptable in the slightest. Besides the number of followers he has on facebook and twitter at the time who were active CFU members. It was a clear abuse of his position as a then 'popular' former board member. No doubt for me it would have swayed the vote. He should never have involvement in our club again |
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