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Post by oldnotdecrepit on Nov 25, 2017 16:28:58 GMT
I’m sure the volunteers on the Board would rely on advice from the full time employees, especially MaGuire. Incidentally MaGuire treats Bignot like his adopted son! As he did with McCarthy when advising that ridiculous contract.
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Post by tarvinblue on Nov 25, 2017 16:33:42 GMT
Maguire certainly talks a good game and seems to be able to get a sponsorship deal over the line. Everything else about him leaves a lot to be desired, though. Unfortunately, our board is so weak in terms of personalities that it would appear he's running this club. I was deeply unimpressed with the calibre of what's on our board on Thursday night. Not one member who I thought looked like they had some balls.
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Post by Al on Nov 25, 2017 16:45:37 GMT
Maguire is still working on the 100Club as well as the possible deal with Stagecoach which could bring significant money into the club. So if he gets both launched he'll have more than done his job.
My problem is with a number of CFU board members who have been on that board for a number of years, yet have contributed nothing - or if they have they've not told us what they've done - bar extend McCarthys contract and blow the Sam Hughes money.
The new blood on the board need a chance to probe themselves capable. But those deadheads need weeding out asap
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Post by billyw on Nov 25, 2017 16:46:39 GMT
Doesn't it say more that it's been necessary to bring in that many players? JM has landed us in the crap. Archer looks a good find. Not seen enough of Slew. Halls-Johnson looked a very good player for us. Problem is we're bringing in loan played who's parent clubs are willing to give us for free...its not his team yet at all. No argument on that front my point is that Bignot isn't and shouldn't be immune from criticism. His team or not they are under his command and to date I haven't seen or heard anything from him that says that he's going to be the man to lead the club. Agreed. I know we have no money to attract decent players but regardless of their calibre there is no excuse for them not being organised, fit and to give 100% effort every game. The manager is failing if they can't achieve these basics so yes I do think Bignot is accountable. |
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Post by trev on Nov 25, 2017 16:53:45 GMT
Steve Burr sacked in April 2016 - correct decision. Caretaker manager for last four games - correct decision. For keeping us up, mccarthy given a 12 month contract in May 2016 - correct decision. McCarthy given a two and a half year contract in January 2017 - ridiculous decision. McCarthy kept on after a four month shambles in April 2017 - ridiculous decision. McCarthy allowed to spend our biggest ever budget, on a totally unbalanced squad of dead legs - ridiculous decision. So did anything of significance happen in June 2017 to turn correct decisions into ridiculous decisions? Let me think oh yes, Maguire appointed to lead the club forward in what was “exciting times”. Change the club mascot for a dodo now, because we’re heading for extinction. Graham Barrow was the only chance we had and we blew it. Far less happy clappers now, but it’s too late for the realists I’m afraid. I seem to recall it took an age to sack Steve Burr after a long run of poor performances and only happened soon after Simon Ollerenshaw became Chairman and acted decisively. Also another duff decision was to extend Burrs contract. We certainly don't learn any lessons. Quick query: Is there a small sub- group advising the main board on Football matters ?. If so, are these the same guys who advised on the appointments and contracts of Burr and McCarthy, and ran the selection process resulting in the Appointment of MB ?
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Post by tarvinblue on Nov 25, 2017 17:10:27 GMT
Steve Burr sacked in April 2016 - correct decision. Caretaker manager for last four games - correct decision. For keeping us up, mccarthy given a 12 month contract in May 2016 - correct decision. McCarthy given a two and a half year contract in January 2017 - ridiculous decision. McCarthy kept on after a four month shambles in April 2017 - ridiculous decision. McCarthy allowed to spend our biggest ever budget, on a totally unbalanced squad of dead legs - ridiculous decision. So did anything of significance happen in June 2017 to turn correct decisions into ridiculous decisions? Let me think oh yes, Maguire appointed to lead the club forward in what was “exciting times”. Change the club mascot for a dodo now, because we’re heading for extinction. Graham Barrow was the only chance we had and we blew it. Far less happy clappers now, but it’s too late for the realists I’m afraid. I seem to recall it took an age to sack Steve Burr after a long run of poor performances and only happened soon after Simon Ollerenshaw became Chairman and acted decisively. Also another duff decision was to extend Burrs contract. We certainly don't learn any lessons. Quick query: Is there a small sub- group advising the main board on Football matters ?. If so, are these the same guys who advised on the appointments and contracts of Burr and McCarthy, and ran the selection process resulting in the Appointment of MB ?
It was a real shame Ollerenshaw stepped down. He had a management and business background and was prepared to make tough calls. That's the kind of person we need at the helm - not someone who barely any of us know and who appears a servant to MM. |
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Post by Deva Chanter on Nov 25, 2017 17:13:22 GMT
Steve Burr sacked in April 2016 - correct decision. Caretaker manager for last four games - correct decision. For keeping us up, mccarthy given a 12 month contract in May 2016 - correct decision. McCarthy given a two and a half year contract in January 2017 - ridiculous decision. McCarthy kept on after a four month shambles in April 2017 - ridiculous decision. McCarthy allowed to spend our biggest ever budget, on a totally unbalanced squad of dead legs - ridiculous decision. So did anything of significance happen in June 2017 to turn correct decisions into ridiculous decisions? Let me think oh yes, Maguire appointed to lead the club forward in what was “exciting times”. Change the club mascot for a dodo now, because we’re heading for extinction. Graham Barrow was the only chance we had and we blew it. Far less happy clappers now, but it’s too late for the realists I’m afraid. I seem to recall it took an age to sack Steve Burr after a long run of poor performances and only happened soon after Simon Ollerenshaw became Chairman and acted decisively. Also another duff decision was to extend Burrs contract. We certainly don't learn any lessons. Quick query: Is there a small sub- group advising the main board on Football matters ?. If so, are these the same guys who advised on the appointments and contracts of Burr and McCarthy, and ran the selection process resulting in the Appointment of MB ?
Yes - the Operations board advises the full board who then effectively rubber-stamp any decision. The Ops Board was until the AGM made up of Mark Maguire (in an advisory capacity), Laurence Kirby, Brian Burns and Anne Salmon. A move was made to remove McCarthy from his position before the Solihull and Torquay matches but this was blocked by the Ops Board as they deemed it was their decision to make. |
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Post by whopper3 on Nov 25, 2017 17:15:01 GMT
Judging by the fact whopper is posting we must have lost. Why don't you moan about the CEO and manager when win? We never win lad. |
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Post by whopper3 on Nov 25, 2017 17:16:59 GMT
How does this bloke keep his job ? 50K a year to kill our club.
He and the other muppets recruit a Manager worse than Mccarthy whch takes some doing.
With Bignot/Maguire at the helm we are going down. Have no doubt.
Bignot was not the answer and I said so at the time.
Utter filth todays game.
Shame on you Maguire and shame on you Bignot.
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Post by jb on Nov 25, 2017 17:19:32 GMT
How does this bloke keep his job ? 50K a year to kill our club. He and the other muppets recruit a Manager worse than Mccarthy whch takes some doing. With Bignot/Maguire at the helm we are going down. Have no doubt. Bignot was not the answer and I said so at the time. Utter filth todays game. Shame on you Maguire and shame on you Bignot. Is this a template that you use? |
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Post by whopper3 on Nov 25, 2017 17:21:17 GMT
yes
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Post by shango on Nov 25, 2017 17:22:20 GMT
Watch it WUM or Richard will be back to OWN you....AGAIN. That was hilarious,outed you like the WUM you are  |
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Post by whopper3 on Nov 25, 2017 17:24:55 GMT
OK I am a WUM. I also support Crewe, Tranny and Wrexham.
You happy now ?
At least Wrexham have idea's about raising cash to progress the club. What do we do ? NOTHING.
When you have Maguire in charge what do you expect ? FFS he is on 50K an effing year to do this damage.
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Post by BarntonBen on Nov 25, 2017 17:28:20 GMT
Im struggling to see how doing a good job as a commercial manager means he is also doing a good job as a general manager/director!
In most organisations these two roles are very different with very different skills required.
He might be a brilliant commercial manager, but does that make him a good CEO?
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Post by adrianh on Nov 25, 2017 17:37:06 GMT
I seem to recall it took an age to sack Steve Burr after a long run of poor performances and only happened soon after Simon Ollerenshaw became Chairman and acted decisively. Also another duff decision was to extend Burrs contract. We certainly don't learn any lessons. Quick query: Is there a small sub- group advising the main board on Football matters ?. If so, are these the same guys who advised on the appointments and contracts of Burr and McCarthy, and ran the selection process resulting in the Appointment of MB ?
Yes - the Operations board advises the full board who then effectively rubber-stamp any decision. The Ops Board was until the AGM made up of Mark Maguire (in an advisory capacity), Laurence Kirby, Brian Burns and Anne Salmon. A move was made to remove McCarthy from his position before the Solihull and Torquay matches but this was blocked by the Ops Board as they deemed it was their decision to make. Marcus made it clear at the fans meeting who runs the club, it’s not the board or even the ‘ops’ board, Maguire and Kirby make all the decisions with the manager. |
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Post by whopper3 on Nov 25, 2017 17:43:38 GMT
Can't believe any supporter would defend Maguire now.
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Post by oddball on Nov 25, 2017 17:47:01 GMT
So a call to sack the board. Great. Need ten good replacements lined up. You voted them in. Most are full time workers with jobs / businesses to run and from what I have seen spend many hours trying to help run the club. But constant criticism, but no one else willing to offer time to help? Not sure what we as fans expect to happen? The reality is from a coup,e of years ago no one planned medium long term, it was, to coin a bignot phrase just here an now. Well we (and that is all of us, board, and CFU - which remember the board are CFU members and have no other “special” rights or privilege ) have to work out of the mess.
performances on the pitch are a major issue, but just bitching and slagging people off with no real solutions just doesn’t make sens!
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Post by richard on Nov 25, 2017 17:47:38 GMT
Maguire is still working on the 100Club as well as the possible deal with Stagecoach which could bring significant money into the club. So if he gets both launched he'll have more than done his job. My problem is with a number of CFU board members who have been on that board for a number of years, yet have contributed nothing - or if they have they've not told us what they've done - bar extend McCarthys contract and blow the Sam Hughes money. The new blood on the board need a chance to probe themselves capable. But those deadheads need weeding out asap I'm not sure how you can claim that the Board have "blown" the Sam Hughes money. As pointed out by Laurence at the AGM, we have only had 50% of the fee. |
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Post by bluefrombirth on Nov 25, 2017 17:47:54 GMT
I seem to recall it took an age to sack Steve Burr after a long run of poor performances and only happened soon after Simon Ollerenshaw became Chairman and acted decisively. Also another duff decision was to extend Burrs contract. We certainly don't learn any lessons. Quick query: Is there a small sub- group advising the main board on Football matters ?. If so, are these the same guys who advised on the appointments and contracts of Burr and McCarthy, and ran the selection process resulting in the Appointment of MB ?
Yes - the Operations board advises the full board who then effectively rubber-stamp any decision. The Ops Board was until the AGM made up of Mark Maguire (in an advisory capacity), Laurence Kirby, Brian Burns and Anne Salmon. A move was made to remove McCarthy from his position before the Solihull and Torquay matches but this was blocked by the Ops Board as they deemed it was their decision to make. Heard this too, I believe it was that young lad that made the move to get rid of Macca. Also heard he's ruffling feathers along with some of the newer directors, can't remember his name?? I think it's a case of the old guard causing the problems, if there removed, we may stand a chance with the new members |
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Post by whopper3 on Nov 25, 2017 17:48:59 GMT
As I have previously said too many people at the club in positions of power who know nothing about football.
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Post by richard on Nov 25, 2017 18:00:25 GMT
I seem to recall it took an age to sack Steve Burr after a long run of poor performances and only happened soon after Simon Ollerenshaw became Chairman and acted decisively. Also another duff decision was to extend Burrs contract. We certainly don't learn any lessons. Quick query: Is there a small sub- group advising the main board on Football matters ?. If so, are these the same guys who advised on the appointments and contracts of Burr and McCarthy, and ran the selection process resulting in the Appointment of MB ?
Yes - the Operations board advises the full board who then effectively rubber-stamp any decision. The Ops Board was until the AGM made up of Mark Maguire (in an advisory capacity), Laurence Kirby, Brian Burns and Anne Salmon. A move was made to remove McCarthy from his position before the Solihull and Torquay matches but this was blocked by the Ops Board as they deemed it was their decision to make. It's worth noting that the majority of the Operations Board are also CFU Board members too. Reference your point about any blocking by the Ops Board, this is incorrect. The CFU are the overarching body, to whom the Ops Board are essentially servants to the CFU board, working to certain tolerances regarding their power to act without recourse to the main Board. Those tolerances would not include major decisions such as employee hiring and firing, though they would clearly be part of the process |
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Post by adrianh on Nov 25, 2017 18:01:57 GMT
Yes - the Operations board advises the full board who then effectively rubber-stamp any decision. The Ops Board was until the AGM made up of Mark Maguire (in an advisory capacity), Laurence Kirby, Brian Burns and Anne Salmon. A move was made to remove McCarthy from his position before the Solihull and Torquay matches but this was blocked by the Ops Board as they deemed it was their decision to make. Heard this too, I believe it was that young lad that made the move to get rid of Macca. Also heard he's ruffling feathers along with some of the newer directors, can't remember his name?? I think it's a case of the old guard causing the problems, if there removed, we may stand a chance with the new members Not what I heard about himb but there you go |
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Post by richard on Nov 25, 2017 18:05:41 GMT
Yes - the Operations board advises the full board who then effectively rubber-stamp any decision. The Ops Board was until the AGM made up of Mark Maguire (in an advisory capacity), Laurence Kirby, Brian Burns and Anne Salmon. A move was made to remove McCarthy from his position before the Solihull and Torquay matches but this was blocked by the Ops Board as they deemed it was their decision to make. Heard this too, I believe it was that young lad that made the move to get rid of Macca. Also heard he's ruffling feathers along with some of the newer directors, can't remember his name?? I think it's a case of the old guard causing the problems, if there removed, we may stand a chance with the new members Not true |
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Post by Deva Chanter on Nov 25, 2017 18:07:02 GMT
Yes - the Operations board advises the full board who then effectively rubber-stamp any decision. The Ops Board was until the AGM made up of Mark Maguire (in an advisory capacity), Laurence Kirby, Brian Burns and Anne Salmon. A move was made to remove McCarthy from his position before the Solihull and Torquay matches but this was blocked by the Ops Board as they deemed it was their decision to make. It's worth noting that the majority of the Operations Board are also CFU Board members too. Reference your point about any blocking by the Ops Board, this is incorrect. The CFU are the overarching body, to whom the Ops Board are essentially servants to the CFU board, working to certain tolerances regarding their power to act without recourse to the main Board. Those tolerances would not include major decisions such as employee hiring and firing, though they would clearly be part of the process This post makes the assumption that the theoretical governance procedures are followed in practice. They aren't - I can assure you. |
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Post by richard on Nov 25, 2017 18:13:53 GMT
It's worth noting that the majority of the Operations Board are also CFU Board members too. Reference your point about any blocking by the Ops Board, this is incorrect. The CFU are the overarching body, to whom the Ops Board are essentially servants to the CFU board, working to certain tolerances regarding their power to act without recourse to the main Board. Those tolerances would not include major decisions such as employee hiring and firing, though they would clearly be part of the process This post makes the assumption that the theoretical governance procedures are followed in practice. They aren't - I can assure you. That's true. However, it's also the case that in the spirit of continued improvement, said governance procedures are currently under review, in an effort to clarify responsibilities and tighten procedures. Any failures will be highlighted during process audits. |
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Post by bluefrombirth on Nov 25, 2017 18:22:03 GMT
Heard this too, I believe it was that young lad that made the move to get rid of Macca. Also heard he's ruffling feathers along with some of the newer directors, can't remember his name?? I think it's a case of the old guard causing the problems, if there removed, we may stand a chance with the new members Not what I heard about himb but there you go But that's the problem, we never see any of them to make an actual opinion. I heard he's alright, but I don't actual know him or any of board from Adam. Why do we never hear them, communication is so poor |
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Post by Al on Nov 25, 2017 18:33:28 GMT
Maguire is still working on the 100Club as well as the possible deal with Stagecoach which could bring significant money into the club. So if he gets both launched he'll have more than done his job. My problem is with a number of CFU board members who have been on that board for a number of years, yet have contributed nothing - or if they have they've not told us what they've done - bar extend McCarthys contract and blow the Sam Hughes money. The new blood on the board need a chance to probe themselves capable. But those deadheads need weeding out asap I'm not sure how you can claim that the Board have "blown" the Sam Hughes money. As pointed out by Laurence at the AGM, we have only had 50% of the fee. I'll rephrase that slightly then. Blown what we've had so far from the Hughes deal. Rest of what I've said still stands. What do you think about all this Richard? How do we move forward? |
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Post by richard on Nov 25, 2017 18:36:34 GMT
I'm not sure how you can claim that the Board have "blown" the Sam Hughes money. As pointed out by Laurence at the AGM, we have only had 50% of the fee. I'll rephrase that slightly then. Blown what we've had so far from the Hughes deal. Rest of what I've said still stands. What do you think about all this Richard? How do we move forward? Sorry Al, not being difficult, but what would you like to comment on? |
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Post by Al on Nov 25, 2017 18:40:56 GMT
I'll rephrase that slightly then. Blown what we've had so far from the Hughes deal. Rest of what I've said still stands. What do you think about all this Richard? How do we move forward? Sorry Al, not being difficult, but what would you like to comment on? Well just after your thoughts really. Start from the beginning and see where it takes you.. |
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Post by tarvinblue on Nov 25, 2017 18:55:57 GMT
This post makes the assumption that the theoretical governance procedures are followed in practice. They aren't - I can assure you. That's true. However, it's also the case that in the spirit of continued improvement, said governance procedures are currently under review, in an effort to clarify responsibilities and tighten procedures. Any failures will be highlighted during process audits. Can I ask how, as a non-board member, you are such an expert on the inner goings on, Richard? It concerns me greatly that you seem to know far more than most of us, despite not being a member of the board. Surely you should only know as much as any other CFU member, through the official lines of communication? |
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