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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2017 22:29:37 GMT
I bet this is just what every Chester fan wanted to see just before bedtime...... But, you can search if you like. I said 'Marcus Bignot you're better off renting than buying a home in Chester' They played out of their skins in the Derby.....It was on TV. Now it's back to normal. He's lost the dressing room and fans already. Good to see that on a day when Wrexham suffered a blow in their title ambitions that what goes on at Chester was still of great concern to you. Anyway, as for Bignot I think the coming games are crucial. Some of the things the Grimsby fan has written do give cause for concern but I’m not sure the two situations are totally comparable. There he was taking over a new club after several years at Solihull and managing at a higher level of football to that he had been at previously, while also inheriting a side that was doing far better in the league than we were when he arrived here. I think the acid test of what he can achieve at Chester will be against the likes of Halifax and Solihull. I've never said we'll win the title. We're joint top at the moment in a poor League. We need 3 signings. A creative midfielder and two proven strikers. Look at Tranmere? Absolutely dire. But for the Cook and Norwood goals they'd be right down there with you. Now, they're looking very strong challengers themselves. Slowly heading up the table. Goals win games. |
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Post by dmcnally on Nov 26, 2017 23:17:00 GMT
Possibly. Slew was pretty ineffective once he came on though. Astles did actually do what you want him to up there. I feel too much emphasis is being put on that substitution when it wasn't the reason we lost today. What finished the game was the formation change to 433. This left Halls (one of the worst players I've ever seen) exposed at right back. 3 of the goals came from crosses he failed to stop. Why expose the weak link? If Astles for the terrible Bell was the decision, MB should have kept the 3421 so Hannah and Aki could feed off him Should have slotted Rainey at right back and put Halls in defensive midfield. He did really well there at Maidstone away. |
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Nov 26, 2017 23:19:58 GMT
Must admit, today was the day when I accepted our fate. I've struggled to pick four sides i think we'll finish above all season and have said on here a few times I think we're probably doomed. However, yesterday was the first time the reality of facing the likes of Chorley again properly hit me. It was also the first time, in several years, I left a game so worried about the long term future of the club. |
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Post by dmcnally on Nov 26, 2017 23:22:34 GMT
Grimsby fan here in peace. Been looking out for your results since Bignot took over to see if my suspicions about him were correct and so far it appears they were. When he joined us he unleashed a charm offensive, praising the fans all the time and a lot bought in to that very quickly. He then got a couple of good results (using a team that was sat 7th in League 2 due to somebody else's good work) and people were very taken in, believing he was the next Brian Clough. Even before we sold our star striker, performances dropped and although we were still picking up points (mainly thanks to the Championship standard striker on our books at the time) I was alarmed by the lack of tactics and poor showings from the team. Already there had been a noticeable drop off. He alienated half of the squad by claiming they weren't "technical" enough then went on a spending spree, spending a load of money (from selling Bogle) and brought in 8 players. Only 2 of those players are remotely good, a lot of them have either already left or been loaned out. It seems lightening does strike twice and he's signed a load of pap for you too. It also became increasingly obvious that he didn't have a clue tactically. The turning point for me was when we went to Stevenage and lost 2-0 with one of the worst performances I've ever seen. His solution was just to throw strikers on so we had four up front but nobody seemed to know where to be or what to do and we registered no shots. I realised that day that this was a man who acted like he knew what he was doing but realistically didn't have a clue. Again, reading reports today it seems his tactical nous hasn't improved any more than his ability in the transfer market. We then went through a period where he played a different team and formation nearly every week, seemingly with little thought behind it such as putting the second choice left back in central midfield for a game or dropping our star centre back against local rivals Doncaster so that we lost 5-1 at home. He then later had the audacity to claim once he'd been sacked that he'd been "getting the results". I have a soft spot for Chester, I've enjoyed my trips to the Deva over the years and I'm sorry to say you've been sold a con. He talks a lot without saying anything and doesn't back it up with performances on the pitch. He also tries to make it all about him. I will continue to look at your results with interest. Good luck going forward, you're going to need it if he remains in charge. Obviously not following us closely enough then son. He’s got £0 to spend what’s he meant to do sign Messi, Ronaldo, De Gea and it’ll all be sound. He’s improved us massively, made us full time, exposed the players who aren’t good enough and got rid, the signings he’s made on a free have done better than the players who were signed in the summer with our biggest budget ever. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 27, 2017 6:52:12 GMT
Got to admit though, some of that stuff from the Grimsby fan sounds vrry familiar. Still, I maintain he's the best option to build us up in the Conference North, which, let's be honest, is where the club needs to be at this stage of its development.
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Post by Lobster on Nov 27, 2017 7:34:32 GMT
I'm fully behind Bignot but it's hard to look at Saturday's game and say he's "improved us massively". What is probably true is that if you take that game out of the occasion, he's got us playing better and results have slightly improved, but there are still some gremlins of the previous era that haunt us.
I think he's been a bit unfortunate in that he's come in right in the thick of a tough run of fixtures, and has been hit by several injuries that are probably a result of McCarthy's lax fitness programme. Again, I compare this season with 1999/2000 and look at Atkins' first few games in charge:
Darlington (H) - Lost 2-1
Rotherham (H) - Lost 2-0
Northampton (A) - Lost 3-1
Torquay (H) - Won 2-1
Rochdale (A) - Lost 2-1
Hull (H) - Drew 0-0
Swansea (A) - Lost 2-1
Brighton (H) - Lost 7-1
That was four points out of a possible 24, culminating with a home thrashing. After the Brighton game, I remember there was talk of Atkins applying for the job at Telford (a decent Conference side at the time) and people were questioning how committed he was to the role and whether he was making any difference. After that though, we took 17 points from our next 11 games. It still wasn't quite enough, but Bignot has a little more time on his side, and it's a weaker division.
It shows that not all managers have a honeymoon period and that it can take a while for anything to gel. Maybe Saturday can be our 'Brighton' moment, but we desperately need some of the spirt of 2000 over the next few games.
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Post by Poe1974 on Nov 27, 2017 7:49:26 GMT
I'm fully behind Bignot but it's hard to look at Saturday's game and say he's "improved us massively". What is probably true is that if you take that game out of the occasion, he's got us playing better and results have slightly improved, but there are still some gremlins of the previous era that haunt us. I think he's been a bit unfortunate in that he's come in right in the thick of a tough run of fixtures, and has been hit by several injuries that are probably a result of McCarthy's lax fitness programme. Again, I compare this season with 1999/2000 and look at Atkins' first few games in charge: Darlington (H) - Lost 2-1 Rotherham (H) - Lost 2-0 Northampton (A) - Lost 3-1 Torquay (H) - Won 2-1 Rochdale (A) - Lost 2-1 Hull (H) - Drew 0-0 Swansea (A) - Lost 2-1 Brighton (H) - Lost 7-1 That was four points out of a possible 24, culminating with a home thrashing. After the Brighton game, I remember there was talk of Atkins applying for the job at Telford (a decent Conference side at the time) and people were questioning how committed he was to the role and whether he was making any difference. After that though, we took 17 points from our next 11 games. It still wasn't quite enough, but Bignot has a little more time on his side, and it's a weaker division. It shows that not all managers have a honeymoon period and that it can take a while for anything to gel. Maybe Saturday can be our 'Brighton' moment, but we desperately need some of the spirt of 2000 over the next few games. Great Escape 2017/18 |
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Post by Harry Lime on Nov 27, 2017 9:32:49 GMT
Grimsby fan here in peace. Been looking out for your results since Bignot took over to see if my suspicions about him were correct and so far it appears they were. When he joined us he unleashed a charm offensive, praising the fans all the time and a lot bought in to that very quickly. He then got a couple of good results (using a team that was sat 7th in League 2 due to somebody else's good work) and people were very taken in, believing he was the next Brian Clough. Even before we sold our star striker, performances dropped and although we were still picking up points (mainly thanks to the Championship standard striker on our books at the time) I was alarmed by the lack of tactics and poor showings from the team. Already there had been a noticeable drop off. He alienated half of the squad by claiming they weren't "technical" enough then went on a spending spree, spending a load of money (from selling Bogle) and brought in 8 players. Only 2 of those players are remotely good, a lot of them have either already left or been loaned out. It seems lightening does strike twice and he's signed a load of pap for you too. It also became increasingly obvious that he didn't have a clue tactically. The turning point for me was when we went to Stevenage and lost 2-0 with one of the worst performances I've ever seen. His solution was just to throw strikers on so we had four up front but nobody seemed to know where to be or what to do and we registered no shots. I realised that day that this was a man who acted like he knew what he was doing but realistically didn't have a clue. Again, reading reports today it seems his tactical nous hasn't improved any more than his ability in the transfer market. We then went through a period where he played a different team and formation nearly every week, seemingly with little thought behind it such as putting the second choice left back in central midfield for a game or dropping our star centre back against local rivals Doncaster so that we lost 5-1 at home. He then later had the audacity to claim once he'd been sacked that he'd been "getting the results". I have a soft spot for Chester, I've enjoyed my trips to the Deva over the years and I'm sorry to say you've been sold a con. He talks a lot without saying anything and doesn't back it up with performances on the pitch. He also tries to make it all about him. I will continue to look at your results with interest. Good luck going forward, you're going to need it if he remains in charge. Obviously not following us closely enough then son. He’s got £0 to spend what’s he meant to do sign Messi, Ronaldo, De Gea and it’ll all be sound. He’s improved us massively, made us full time, exposed the players who aren’t good enough and got rid, the signings he’s made on a free have done better than the players who were signed in the summer with our biggest budget ever. You were one of the loudest voices for MB during the interview process. Good to see that you think we've improved massively. We did improve against Maidenhead and Barrow. Away at Tranmere we dug in well. More recent performances haven't improved have they? In fact we've regressed. I know we have injuries, but there's no excuse for not being organised. Woking, Kiddie, Alty and Dagenham have been a shambles. The basic requirement for a manager is to get a team organised when they don't have the ball. Against Tranmere we did that really well. I've not seen any sign of that since. In fact, imo, MB makes so many poor changes during games that make us worse and worse. The players dont seem to know what to do. Leaving 3 slow defenders without protection isn't smart. They look edgy and nervous. I'm not surprised their performances aren't good. Build confidence by keeping solid and keeping in games. It maybe we take risks to get 3 points. Great if you're top of the league, but not so great if you're struggling. Let's hope it's the injuries and the poor unbalanced squad he inherited that is the problem. |
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Post by Al on Nov 27, 2017 11:50:13 GMT
Grimsby fan here in peace. Been looking out for your results since Bignot took over to see if my suspicions about him were correct and so far it appears they were. When he joined us he unleashed a charm offensive, praising the fans all the time and a lot bought in to that very quickly. He then got a couple of good results (using a team that was sat 7th in League 2 due to somebody else's good work) and people were very taken in, believing he was the next Brian Clough. Even before we sold our star striker, performances dropped and although we were still picking up points (mainly thanks to the Championship standard striker on our books at the time) I was alarmed by the lack of tactics and poor showings from the team. Already there had been a noticeable drop off. He alienated half of the squad by claiming they weren't "technical" enough then went on a spending spree, spending a load of money (from selling Bogle) and brought in 8 players. Only 2 of those players are remotely good, a lot of them have either already left or been loaned out. It seems lightening does strike twice and he's signed a load of pap for you too. It also became increasingly obvious that he didn't have a clue tactically. The turning point for me was when we went to Stevenage and lost 2-0 with one of the worst performances I've ever seen. His solution was just to throw strikers on so we had four up front but nobody seemed to know where to be or what to do and we registered no shots. I realised that day that this was a man who acted like he knew what he was doing but realistically didn't have a clue. Again, reading reports today it seems his tactical nous hasn't improved any more than his ability in the transfer market. We then went through a period where he played a different team and formation nearly every week, seemingly with little thought behind it such as putting the second choice left back in central midfield for a game or dropping our star centre back against local rivals Doncaster so that we lost 5-1 at home. He then later had the audacity to claim once he'd been sacked that he'd been "getting the results". I have a soft spot for Chester, I've enjoyed my trips to the Deva over the years and I'm sorry to say you've been sold a con. He talks a lot without saying anything and doesn't back it up with performances on the pitch. He also tries to make it all about him. I will continue to look at your results with interest. Good luck going forward, you're going to need it if he remains in charge. Obviously not following us closely enough then son. He’s got £0 to spend what’s he meant to do sign Messi, Ronaldo, De Gea and it’ll all be sound. He’s improved us massively, made us full time, exposed the players who aren’t good enough and got rid, the signings he’s made on a free have done better than the players who were signed in the summer with our biggest budget ever. He's sent the kids out on loan, and we've offloaded Jordan Chappell for a month.
He's got rid of one player who is clearly not good enough. We've still got Andy Halls, LRT, McCombe, Turnbull, James, Hannah, Bell, and Mahon stinking the place out.
We all know you have rose tinted specs when it comes to MB, but he has not improved us massively, we still have the same problems we had under McCarthy, we are still struggling at the foot of the table, and both Guiseley and Torquay are just one point behind us now. We can't beat a 10 man Leyton Orient who are in one of the worst runs of form of their existence with no manager, and even a caretaker sent to the stands, and we then revert to school playground defending in that second half v Dagenham on Saturday.
I can take a defeat on the chin and put it down to 'bad luck' if I feel we've been let down by a controversial decision, or hitting the post etc etc. But there is NO EXCUSE for what we did in that second half.
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Post by grimsbyfan on Nov 27, 2017 14:31:38 GMT
Grimsby fan here in peace. Been looking out for your results since Bignot took over to see if my suspicions about him were correct and so far it appears they were. When he joined us he unleashed a charm offensive, praising the fans all the time and a lot bought in to that very quickly. He then got a couple of good results (using a team that was sat 7th in League 2 due to somebody else's good work) and people were very taken in, believing he was the next Brian Clough. Even before we sold our star striker, performances dropped and although we were still picking up points (mainly thanks to the Championship standard striker on our books at the time) I was alarmed by the lack of tactics and poor showings from the team. Already there had been a noticeable drop off. He alienated half of the squad by claiming they weren't "technical" enough then went on a spending spree, spending a load of money (from selling Bogle) and brought in 8 players. Only 2 of those players are remotely good, a lot of them have either already left or been loaned out. It seems lightening does strike twice and he's signed a load of pap for you too. It also became increasingly obvious that he didn't have a clue tactically. The turning point for me was when we went to Stevenage and lost 2-0 with one of the worst performances I've ever seen. His solution was just to throw strikers on so we had four up front but nobody seemed to know where to be or what to do and we registered no shots. I realised that day that this was a man who acted like he knew what he was doing but realistically didn't have a clue. Again, reading reports today it seems his tactical nous hasn't improved any more than his ability in the transfer market. We then went through a period where he played a different team and formation nearly every week, seemingly with little thought behind it such as putting the second choice left back in central midfield for a game or dropping our star centre back against local rivals Doncaster so that we lost 5-1 at home. He then later had the audacity to claim once he'd been sacked that he'd been "getting the results". I have a soft spot for Chester, I've enjoyed my trips to the Deva over the years and I'm sorry to say you've been sold a con. He talks a lot without saying anything and doesn't back it up with performances on the pitch. He also tries to make it all about him. I will continue to look at your results with interest. Good luck going forward, you're going to need it if he remains in charge. Obviously not following us closely enough then son. He’s got £0 to spend what’s he meant to do sign Messi, Ronaldo, De Gea and it’ll all be sound. He’s improved us massively, made us full time, exposed the players who aren’t good enough and got rid, the signings he’s made on a free have done better than the players who were signed in the summer with our biggest budget ever. How can you say he's improved you massively? From what I can see McCarthy had 8 games in charge. 1 win, 4 draws and 3 losses. Scored 7, conceded 11. 0.875 points per game. Scored an average of 0.875 goals per game and conceded an average of 1.375 goals per game. Bignot has had 11 league games in charge and an FA cup game where he embarrassingly lost to a midtable Kidderminster. In the league you've had 2 wins, 5 draws and 5 losses taking 11 points from 11 games giving an average of 1 point per game which is an improvement but hardly much. You've scored 11 which gives you an average of a goal per game which again is a small improvement. You've conceded 17 which gives you an average of 1.55 goals conceded per game which is actually worse than you had. Not to mention that one of the two wins (and a quarter of the goals scored) was a last minute job against a managerless side (Barrow) as well throwing away a lead to a 10 man side that also had no manager at Orient. Both teams were in freefall when you played them and had no manager yet you struggled past one and threw away the game against the other. Forgive me but where is the "massive improvement"? Would you not expect significantly better results than his predecessor if he's got the luxury of working with the squad full time? And considering McCarthy was supposedly terrible? All I can tell you is what I saw happen at Town where we made little to no progress elsewhere on the pitch but our defence got significantly worse (lost 5-0 to Crewe, 5-1 to Donny and 4-0 to Pompey. We hadn't conceded more than 3 in a game for a year before that). We also saw bizarre tactics that seemed to have little, if any, tactical nous behind them. As well as Bignot sticking to tactics that clearly didn't work long term just because they'd got a result elsewhere. |
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Post by dmcnally on Nov 27, 2017 15:22:58 GMT
Obviously not following us closely enough then son. He’s got £0 to spend what’s he meant to do sign Messi, Ronaldo, De Gea and it’ll all be sound. He’s improved us massively, made us full time, exposed the players who aren’t good enough and got rid, the signings he’s made on a free have done better than the players who were signed in the summer with our biggest budget ever. How can you say he's improved you massively? From what I can see McCarthy had 8 games in charge. 1 win, 4 draws and 3 losses. Scored 7, conceded 11. 0.875 points per game. Scored an average of 0.875 goals per game and conceded an average of 1.375 goals per game. Bignot has had 11 league games in charge and an FA cup game where he embarrassingly lost to a midtable Kidderminster. In the league you've had 2 wins, 5 draws and 5 losses taking 11 points from 11 games giving an average of 1 point per game which is an improvement but hardly much. You've scored 11 which gives you an average of a goal per game which again is a small improvement. You've conceded 17 which gives you an average of 1.55 goals conceded per game which is actually worse than you had. Not to mention that one of the two wins (and a quarter of the goals scored) was a last minute job against a managerless side (Barrow) as well throwing away a lead to a 10 man side that also had no manager at Orient. Both teams were in freefall when you played them and had no manager yet you struggled past one and threw away the game against the other. Forgive me but where is the "massive improvement"? Would you not expect significantly better results than his predecessor if he's got the luxury of working with the squad full time? And considering McCarthy was supposedly terrible? All I can tell you is what I saw happen at Town where we made little to no progress elsewhere on the pitch but our defence got significantly worse (lost 5-0 to Crewe, 5-1 to Donny and 4-0 to Pompey. We hadn't conceded more than 3 in a game for a year before that). We also saw bizarre tactics that seemed to have little, if any, tactical nous behind them. As well as Bignot sticking to tactics that clearly didn't work long term just because they'd got a result elsewhere. Not reading all that. Hes having to work with a poor squad with no confidence how can you try blame him for that. He’s our manager, I’m happy he is. End of story. |
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Post by grimsbyfan on Nov 27, 2017 16:00:42 GMT
How can you say he's improved you massively? From what I can see McCarthy had 8 games in charge. 1 win, 4 draws and 3 losses. Scored 7, conceded 11. 0.875 points per game. Scored an average of 0.875 goals per game and conceded an average of 1.375 goals per game. Bignot has had 11 league games in charge and an FA cup game where he embarrassingly lost to a midtable Kidderminster. In the league you've had 2 wins, 5 draws and 5 losses taking 11 points from 11 games giving an average of 1 point per game which is an improvement but hardly much. You've scored 11 which gives you an average of a goal per game which again is a small improvement. You've conceded 17 which gives you an average of 1.55 goals conceded per game which is actually worse than you had. Not to mention that one of the two wins (and a quarter of the goals scored) was a last minute job against a managerless side (Barrow) as well throwing away a lead to a 10 man side that also had no manager at Orient. Both teams were in freefall when you played them and had no manager yet you struggled past one and threw away the game against the other. Forgive me but where is the "massive improvement"? Would you not expect significantly better results than his predecessor if he's got the luxury of working with the squad full time? And considering McCarthy was supposedly terrible? All I can tell you is what I saw happen at Town where we made little to no progress elsewhere on the pitch but our defence got significantly worse (lost 5-0 to Crewe, 5-1 to Donny and 4-0 to Pompey. We hadn't conceded more than 3 in a game for a year before that). We also saw bizarre tactics that seemed to have little, if any, tactical nous behind them. As well as Bignot sticking to tactics that clearly didn't work long term just because they'd got a result elsewhere. Not reading all that. Hes having to work with a poor squad with no confidence how can you try blame him for that. He’s our manager, I’m happy he is. End of story. Three small paragraphs but okay, good luck. You'll need it. |
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Post by Hannibal on Nov 27, 2017 16:26:20 GMT
Obviously not following us closely enough then son. He’s got £0 to spend what’s he meant to do sign Messi, Ronaldo, De Gea and it’ll all be sound. He’s improved us massively, made us full time, exposed the players who aren’t good enough and got rid, the signings he’s made on a free have done better than the players who were signed in the summer with our biggest budget ever. How can you say he's improved you massively? From what I can see McCarthy had 8 games in charge. 1 win, 4 draws and 3 losses. Scored 7, conceded 11. 0.875 points per game. Scored an average of 0.875 goals per game and conceded an average of 1.375 goals per game. Bignot has had 11 league games in charge and an FA cup game where he embarrassingly lost to a midtable Kidderminster. In the league you've had 2 wins, 5 draws and 5 losses taking 11 points from 11 games giving an average of 1 point per game which is an improvement but hardly much. You've scored 11 which gives you an average of a goal per game which again is a small improvement. You've conceded 17 which gives you an average of 1.55 goals conceded per game which is actually worse than you had. Not to mention that one of the two wins (and a quarter of the goals scored) was a last minute job against a managerless side (Barrow) as well throwing away a lead to a 10 man side that also had no manager at Orient. Both teams were in freefall when you played them and had no manager yet you struggled past one and threw away the game against the other. Forgive me but where is the "massive improvement"? Would you not expect significantly better results than his predecessor if he's got the luxury of working with the squad full time? And considering McCarthy was supposedly terrible? All I can tell you is what I saw happen at Town where we made little to no progress elsewhere on the pitch but our defence got significantly worse (lost 5-0 to Crewe, 5-1 to Donny and 4-0 to Pompey. We hadn't conceded more than 3 in a game for a year before that). We also saw bizarre tactics that seemed to have little, if any, tactical nous behind them. As well as Bignot sticking to tactics that clearly didn't work long term just because they'd got a result elsewhere. Somebody posted your message board on here just before he got our job discussing his sacking. There were far more people saying that he'd been hard done to than have your negative opinion. The problem he's got is that McCarthy signed a load of old tripe and he's trying to work with them and most if not all of them are not up to the task. The best of MB's signings Hall-Johnson was ok, but back at yours injured due to a hospital ball he tried to retrieve from Halls (probably the worst of the lot). |
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