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Post by navajo on Nov 25, 2017 15:09:47 GMT
Don't believe I've seen a worst 2nd half display and frankly the appointment of Bignot has had no absolutely no effect whatsoever.
Think the low point today was substituting a so called specialist C.F. with a C.B to play as a makeshift forward when needing a goal. Demonstrates for a me a lack of ideas and I'm beginning to think he's out of his depth. Solihull is one thing but so far he has shown me nothing for which to be positive about.
Defensively we are shambles. Unable to deal with any kind of imaginative play, straight long balls and as the penalty demonstrated unable to defend even in a 2 v 1 situation never mind 1 v 1. Centrally we didn't compete, won no 2nd balls and all too willing to play the ball sideways and backward too often. Everything we did lacked any pace or conviction.
Let's be honest Dagenham didn't offer that much but what little they did was far too good for us to deal with. A massive worry.
Judging by the quality of players Bignot has brought there is no doubt in mind that relegation beckons and even ending the season rock bottom wouldn't surprise me after watching how easily we caved in today once we went behind.
Where we go from here is anyone's guess.
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Post by paulie on Nov 25, 2017 15:17:57 GMT
Only positive today was the kids behind the goal. Is there any reason why that cannot be done every match?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2017 16:19:15 GMT
Only positive today was the kids behind the goal. Is there any reason why that cannot be done every match? Unfortunately after today, how many will want to come back?
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Post by paulie on Nov 25, 2017 16:22:30 GMT
Only positive today was the kids behind the goal. Is there any reason why that cannot be done every match? Unfortunately after today, how many will want to come back? Could be used as detention for the unruly kids.
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Nov 25, 2017 16:24:16 GMT
It actually feels like we've gone down today to me...
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Post by Lobster on Nov 25, 2017 16:24:57 GMT
For all the criticism of putting Astles on up front, I've not heard one person suggest any alternative other than leaving the forward line as it was, which wasn't working.
So, I would ask, you're 1-0 down in a home game you need something from, and your forwards don't look at all like scoring. You have Astles, Anderson, Slew, Turnbull and a goalkeeper on the bench - what do you do?
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Post by Si on Nov 25, 2017 16:27:55 GMT
For all the criticism of putting Astles on up front, I've not heard one person suggest any alternative other than leaving the forward line as it was, which wasn't working. So, I would ask, you're 1-0 down in a home game you need something from, and your forwards don't look at all like scoring. You have Astles, Anderson, Slew, Turnbull and a goalkeeper on the bench - what do you do? Probably stick Aki, Hannah and Slew up top and put Turnbull in the middle with Kings and Dawson.
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Post by Lobster on Nov 25, 2017 16:31:16 GMT
For all the criticism of putting Astles on up front, I've not heard one person suggest any alternative other than leaving the forward line as it was, which wasn't working. So, I would ask, you're 1-0 down in a home game you need something from, and your forwards don't look at all like scoring. You have Astles, Anderson, Slew, Turnbull and a goalkeeper on the bench - what do you do? Probably stick Aki, Hannah and Slew up top and put Turnbull in the middle with Kings and Dawson. Possibly. Slew was pretty ineffective once he came on though. Astles did actually do what you want him to up there. I feel too much emphasis is being put on that substitution when it wasn't the reason we lost today.
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Post by Si on Nov 25, 2017 16:38:59 GMT
Probably stick Aki, Hannah and Slew up top and put Turnbull in the middle with Kings and Dawson. Possibly. Slew was pretty ineffective once he came on though. Astles did actually do what you want him to up there. I feel too much emphasis is being put on that substitution when it wasn't the reason we lost today. We lost because our game management went to shit after the penalty miss. Coupled with lack of confidence to get back in the game. They hardly threatened until they got the penalty and from then onwards we lost our shape and discipline.
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Post by paulie on Nov 25, 2017 16:41:34 GMT
Probably stick Aki, Hannah and Slew up top and put Turnbull in the middle with Kings and Dawson. Possibly. Slew was pretty ineffective once he came on though. Astles did actually do what you want him to up there. I feel too much emphasis is being put on that substitution when it wasn't the reason we lost today. I think it just highlighted how desperate and the state this club is in. Putting a 17stone lump upfront in shear hope of getting something out of a home match against a side who had previously only won one away game all season.
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Post by btb on Nov 25, 2017 16:42:54 GMT
We're going down. It's nailed on. No blame for Bignot though. The budget is gone and he's having to bring in very cheap alternatives. As for Astles up front, i thought he was superb. Won everything in the air. And that was him at 50%.
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Post by kyle on Nov 25, 2017 16:53:28 GMT
Probably stick Aki, Hannah and Slew up top and put Turnbull in the middle with Kings and Dawson. Possibly. Slew was pretty ineffective once he came on though. Astles did actually do what you want him to up there. I feel too much emphasis is being put on that substitution when it wasn't the reason we lost today. What finished the game was the formation change to 433. This left Halls (one of the worst players I've ever seen) exposed at right back. 3 of the goals came from crosses he failed to stop. Why expose the weak link? If Astles for the terrible Bell was the decision, MB should have kept the 3421 so Hannah and Aki could feed off him
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Post by Hannibal on Nov 25, 2017 16:58:15 GMT
It actually feels like we've gone down today to me... I woke up during the night about 4.30 and looked on my phone at Test Match score. A promising end of the first day has deteriorated into what looks like a defeat possibly as early as tomorrow. I likened our chances of staying up to England's chances of winning the Ashes. First thing I did this morning when I got up was to check out the odds for an Ashes whitewash. They were 8/1 before the start of the 1st Test, so I doubt they will be more than 6/1 now. As I can see the Test series being 5-0, I also felt like Bambi that Chester were relegated today. This is mainly because there is absolutely no player in the squad that can produce a bit of match-winning magic. Allied to that the complete inability of the team to do the basics of football: eg pass, defend, create, tackle, etc. The fault is the tripe that McCarthy signed. It makes my blood boil when I think that Macclesfield got Durrell and Lloyd and we got Halls and McCombe.
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Post by agl on Nov 25, 2017 17:15:11 GMT
Awful as we were today in the second half, other results didn't harm us too much. We shouldn't be throwing in the towel. If there are any positives, Bignot has hopefully learned a thing about a few players and has two weeks to have a good think about how to react. Halls should certainly never be at full back again and we should start looking for a better option up front to Bell, even on the bench when Archer is fit. We've got the Trophy coming up but part of me thinks it would be better to go out and keep players fit for the relegation battle.
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Post by whopper3 on Nov 25, 2017 17:26:08 GMT
"We're going down. It's nailed on. No blame for Bignot though."
Rubbish. Bignot is complicit in this shambles.
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Post by Lobster on Nov 25, 2017 17:39:00 GMT
Awful as we were today in the second half, other results didn't harm us too much. We shouldn't be throwing in the towel. If there are any positives, Bignot has hopefully learned a thing about a few players and has two weeks to have a good think about how to react. Halls should certainly never be at full back again and we should start looking for a better option up front to Bell, even on the bench when Archer is fit. We've got the Trophy coming up but part of me thinks it would be better to go out and keep players fit for the relegation battle. There's an interesting question - would you take what's happened at York and Halifax for the last two seasons - i.e. being relegated but winning the FA Trophy? Right now, given that we don't look like staying up anyway, I think I would! Also, a stat for you, our 36-year-old substitute goalkeeper has scored as many National League goals this season as Bell, and more than White!
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Post by Lobster on Nov 25, 2017 17:49:21 GMT
Possibly. Slew was pretty ineffective once he came on though. Astles did actually do what you want him to up there. I feel too much emphasis is being put on that substitution when it wasn't the reason we lost today. I think it just highlighted how desperate and the state this club is in. Putting a 17stone lump upfront in shear hope of getting something out of a home match against a side who had previously only won one away game all season. I agree, but my point is that criticising Bignot for the decision seems misplaced. It's a situation caused by the previous manager, the board's misplaced faith in said manager, and an ongoing fitness and injury crisis at the club that really needs to be questioned. I don't want to blame anyone for it because I don't know enough about the situation, but the number of injuries we get and the length of time they're out for is not normal.
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Post by grimsbyfan on Nov 25, 2017 19:21:27 GMT
Grimsby fan here in peace. Been looking out for your results since Bignot took over to see if my suspicions about him were correct and so far it appears they were. When he joined us he unleashed a charm offensive, praising the fans all the time and a lot bought in to that very quickly. He then got a couple of good results (using a team that was sat 7th in League 2 due to somebody else's good work) and people were very taken in, believing he was the next Brian Clough.
Even before we sold our star striker, performances dropped and although we were still picking up points (mainly thanks to the Championship standard striker on our books at the time) I was alarmed by the lack of tactics and poor showings from the team. Already there had been a noticeable drop off. He alienated half of the squad by claiming they weren't "technical" enough then went on a spending spree, spending a load of money (from selling Bogle) and brought in 8 players. Only 2 of those players are remotely good, a lot of them have either already left or been loaned out. It seems lightening does strike twice and he's signed a load of pap for you too.
It also became increasingly obvious that he didn't have a clue tactically. The turning point for me was when we went to Stevenage and lost 2-0 with one of the worst performances I've ever seen. His solution was just to throw strikers on so we had four up front but nobody seemed to know where to be or what to do and we registered no shots. I realised that day that this was a man who acted like he knew what he was doing but realistically didn't have a clue. Again, reading reports today it seems his tactical nous hasn't improved any more than his ability in the transfer market. We then went through a period where he played a different team and formation nearly every week, seemingly with little thought behind it such as putting the second choice left back in central midfield for a game or dropping our star centre back against local rivals Doncaster so that we lost 5-1 at home. He then later had the audacity to claim once he'd been sacked that he'd been "getting the results".
I have a soft spot for Chester, I've enjoyed my trips to the Deva over the years and I'm sorry to say you've been sold a con. He talks a lot without saying anything and doesn't back it up with performances on the pitch. He also tries to make it all about him. I will continue to look at your results with interest. Good luck going forward, you're going to need it if he remains in charge.
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Post by MOC on Nov 25, 2017 20:14:54 GMT
Awful as we were today in the second half, other results didn't harm us too much. We shouldn't be throwing in the towel. If there are any positives, Bignot has hopefully learned a thing about a few players and has two weeks to have a good think about how to react. Halls should certainly never be at full back again and we should start looking for a better option up front to Bell, even on the bench when Archer is fit. We've got the Trophy coming up but part of me thinks it would be better to go out and keep players fit for the relegation battle. There's an interesting question - would you take what's happened at York and Halifax for the last two seasons - i.e. being relegated but winning the FA Trophy? Right now, given that we don't look like staying up anyway, I think I would! Also, a stat for you, our 36-year-old substitute goalkeeper has scored as many National League goals this season as Bell, and more than White! My one hope with the Trophy is that it might be what helps restore some confidence if we get a favourable draw and actually win a game. There feels like no belief at the moment that we can win games, summed up by the exit from the Cheshire Senior Cup at Altrincham. As dire as 2017 has been, I think November is the first month (close season excepted) that we’ve failed to record a win and even if we drew a side from low down the pyramid in the Trophy there’s no certainty we will progress, even though we should.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2017 20:21:17 GMT
Only positive today was the kids behind the goal. Is there any reason why that cannot be done every match? Unfortunately after today, how many will want to come back? Even if the kids do want to go back the battle is persuading parents to take them. We can't rely on schools all the time, they won't do it week in, week out. We need to reach out to local families, make it a family day out, offer iniatives, family tickets/deals etc.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2017 22:59:15 GMT
Grimsby fan here in peace. Been looking out for your results since Bignot took over to see if my suspicions about him were correct and so far it appears they were. When he joined us he unleashed a charm offensive, praising the fans all the time and a lot bought in to that very quickly. He then got a couple of good results (using a team that was sat 7th in League 2 due to somebody else's good work) and people were very taken in, believing he was the next Brian Clough. Even before we sold our star striker, performances dropped and although we were still picking up points (mainly thanks to the Championship standard striker on our books at the time) I was alarmed by the lack of tactics and poor showings from the team. Already there had been a noticeable drop off. He alienated half of the squad by claiming they weren't "technical" enough then went on a spending spree, spending a load of money (from selling Bogle) and brought in 8 players. Only 2 of those players are remotely good, a lot of them have either already left or been loaned out. It seems lightening does strike twice and he's signed a load of pap for you too. It also became increasingly obvious that he didn't have a clue tactically. The turning point for me was when we went to Stevenage and lost 2-0 with one of the worst performances I've ever seen. His solution was just to throw strikers on so we had four up front but nobody seemed to know where to be or what to do and we registered no shots. I realised that day that this was a man who acted like he knew what he was doing but realistically didn't have a clue. Again, reading reports today it seems his tactical nous hasn't improved any more than his ability in the transfer market. We then went through a period where he played a different team and formation nearly every week, seemingly with little thought behind it such as putting the second choice left back in central midfield for a game or dropping our star centre back against local rivals Doncaster so that we lost 5-1 at home. He then later had the audacity to claim once he'd been sacked that he'd been "getting the results". I have a soft spot for Chester, I've enjoyed my trips to the Deva over the years and I'm sorry to say you've been sold a con. He talks a lot without saying anything and doesn't back it up with performances on the pitch. He also tries to make it all about him. I will continue to look at your results with interest. Good luck going forward, you're going to need it if he remains in charge. I bet this is just what every Chester fan wanted to see just before bedtime...... But, you can search if you like. I said 'Marcus Bignot you're better off renting than buying a home in Chester' They played out of their skins in the Derby.....It was on TV. Now it's back to normal. He's lost the dressing room and fans already.
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Post by Lobster on Nov 25, 2017 23:06:04 GMT
I don't care if he has lost the dressing room. Perhaps the dressing room needs to be lost?
These players haven't earned the right to take umbrage with the manager. If they liked McCarthy, they didn't perform for him, and they're not performing now either.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2017 23:13:52 GMT
You're having to pay Jon McCarthy in instalments for the remainder of his two year contract. You then signed MB on an "undisclosed contract"... He had the same players as McCarthy, yet has brought in something like 9 players without results for a relegation battle?
It ain't lookin' good
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Post by Deva Chanter on Nov 25, 2017 23:38:00 GMT
You're having to pay Jon McCarthy in instalments for the remainder of his two year contract. You then signed MB on an "undisclosed contract"... He had the same players as McCarthy, yet has brought in something like 9 players without results for a relegation battle? It ain't lookin' good Categorically untrue that we are paying McCarthy off for the duration of his two year contract. Stop making stuff up, goatboy.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2017 23:43:18 GMT
You're having to pay Jon McCarthy in instalments for the remainder of his two year contract. You then signed MB on an "undisclosed contract"... He had the same players as McCarthy, yet has brought in something like 9 players without results for a relegation battle? It ain't lookin' good Categorically untrue that we are paying McCarthy off for the duration of his two year contract. Stop making stuff up, goatboy. I heard you're having to pay him off in instalments . You're still having to pay off a two year contract though! MB would've sorted himself a tidy deal as well.
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Post by Jack on Nov 25, 2017 23:54:37 GMT
Must admit, today was the day when I accepted our fate. We're just a soft touch, and an unfit, unbalanced one at that.
This group of players, whilst not bereft of talent, just do not have the mentality to win games of football. Prime example, letting in Wrexham's goal the other week. Big game, nearing half time, long floated ball into the box and we find a way to concede. Today was the same, when they missed a penalty, I turned to my friend and said we'd concede within the next 3 minutes. Whilst a missed penalty should have been the incident to galvanise us and breathe life into our performance, we found a way to pathetically throw it away in no time at all. It's so predictable and galling to watch.
I do feel for Bignot, he's got a difficult job on his hands. That said, he's not above questioning and his tactics were poor today. It was clear we were too narrow. Every time Rainey or Gough had the ball and looked up, there was not a single blue pass to be made. We were crying out for Hannah or Bell to move into the channels and stretch them but they stayed so central. Frustrating to watch.
Also, Nyal Bell's performance today was a joke. I'd be terminating that loan deal first thing tomorrow morning.
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Post by waggoner2 on Nov 26, 2017 1:10:27 GMT
Unfortunately after today, how many will want to come back? Could be used as detention foro the unruly kids. I work in probation community payback. Maybe we could force them to sit behind the goal as a form of punishment?
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Post by bing on Nov 26, 2017 2:39:19 GMT
I think just about the only positive I can take after today is that, incredibly really, we are still within touch of safety. Doesn't feel like it. Need the mini break to galvanize the troops now.
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Post by MOC on Nov 26, 2017 8:49:16 GMT
Grimsby fan here in peace. Been looking out for your results since Bignot took over to see if my suspicions about him were correct and so far it appears they were. When he joined us he unleashed a charm offensive, praising the fans all the time and a lot bought in to that very quickly. He then got a couple of good results (using a team that was sat 7th in League 2 due to somebody else's good work) and people were very taken in, believing he was the next Brian Clough. Even before we sold our star striker, performances dropped and although we were still picking up points (mainly thanks to the Championship standard striker on our books at the time) I was alarmed by the lack of tactics and poor showings from the team. Already there had been a noticeable drop off. He alienated half of the squad by claiming they weren't "technical" enough then went on a spending spree, spending a load of money (from selling Bogle) and brought in 8 players. Only 2 of those players are remotely good, a lot of them have either already left or been loaned out. It seems lightening does strike twice and he's signed a load of pap for you too. It also became increasingly obvious that he didn't have a clue tactically. The turning point for me was when we went to Stevenage and lost 2-0 with one of the worst performances I've ever seen. His solution was just to throw strikers on so we had four up front but nobody seemed to know where to be or what to do and we registered no shots. I realised that day that this was a man who acted like he knew what he was doing but realistically didn't have a clue. Again, reading reports today it seems his tactical nous hasn't improved any more than his ability in the transfer market. We then went through a period where he played a different team and formation nearly every week, seemingly with little thought behind it such as putting the second choice left back in central midfield for a game or dropping our star centre back against local rivals Doncaster so that we lost 5-1 at home. He then later had the audacity to claim once he'd been sacked that he'd been "getting the results". I have a soft spot for Chester, I've enjoyed my trips to the Deva over the years and I'm sorry to say you've been sold a con. He talks a lot without saying anything and doesn't back it up with performances on the pitch. He also tries to make it all about him. I will continue to look at your results with interest. Good luck going forward, you're going to need it if he remains in charge. I bet this is just what every Chester fan wanted to see just before bedtime...... But, you can search if you like. I said 'Marcus Bignot you're better off renting than buying a home in Chester' They played out of their skins in the Derby.....It was on TV. Now it's back to normal. He's lost the dressing room and fans already. Good to see that on a day when Wrexham suffered a blow in their title ambitions that what goes on at Chester was still of great concern to you. Anyway, as for Bignot I think the coming games are crucial. Some of the things the Grimsby fan has written do give cause for concern but I’m not sure the two situations are totally comparable. There he was taking over a new club after several years at Solihull and managing at a higher level of football to that he had been at previously, while also inheriting a side that was doing far better in the league than we were when he arrived here. I think the acid test of what he can achieve at Chester will be against the likes of Halifax and Solihull.
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Post by Si on Nov 26, 2017 10:07:10 GMT
Categorically untrue that we are paying McCarthy off for the duration of his two year contract. Stop making stuff up, goatboy. I heard you're having to pay him off in instalments . You're still having to pay off a two year contract though! MB would've sorted himself a tidy deal as well. Not sure what your definition of tidy is, but he was on more money at Solihull.
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