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Post by Designer on Nov 26, 2017 15:10:05 GMT
Watching the game on BT Sport yesterday and the emergence of Ryan Astles as a "tactical" and doomed solution to avoiding another loss, reminded me of George Evans who played for Chester 1963-69. George was a mountain of a man who played as "wing half" or "centre half" and was very effective in those positions. However, he also was used in those doomed situations when a battering ram was required to create chaos in the oppositions defence in the off chance that a loose ball could bounce off his head in to the net. It almost never ever worked.
It is surprising with the advances in tactical thinking over the years that the 1960's playbook was used by Bignot. It had no impact mainly because of the chaos effect of Astles running around like a headless chicken (you have to feel sorry for the guy) that disturbed the whole balance of the attacking effort. It is of concern that a young ambitious manager resorted to the 1960's playbook and did not come up with a more modern approach. It seems to me that there is enough time during the week of "full time training" to work on scenarios, players and tactics for different phases of the game. I did post a thread some weeks ago when the search was on for a new manager and discussed due diligence and the need to get in a smoke filled room with the "wiseguys" to get the real facts about any applicant. I hope that the CEO and board came out of that room with the right answers as well as a bad cough.
On the separate subject of Ryan Astles - it looks like he will run through a brick wall for the team and so should all of the players. However, he is most effective in the back line and given a following wind and a weight management programme could be turned in to a valuable asset.
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Post by bluefrombirth on Nov 26, 2017 16:46:33 GMT
Can't understand this at all. Give any team in our league a chance to sign Matt Rhead from lincoln and they'd snap your hands off, us included. Essentially all he does is head things on, hold the ball up and bring others into play. Ricky Miller aside, he was the most effective striker in the league last season.
Ryan Astles started out as a centre forward, it showed on Saturday as he was brilliant in bring people into play with nothing more than lumped balls forward. you could visibly see Dagenhams CB's body language change and they may as well just have written 'ohh fuck, I don't want to go up against that' on their foreheads.
It's not the most attractive tactic to play, and your right it's "old school', but I'd rather that, than spend 90 mins needlessly passing the ball round midfield like we are doing ATM
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Post by Harry Lime on Nov 26, 2017 19:36:02 GMT
What was more worrying tactically was that after bringing Astles on, we didn't have anyone running close enough to him to pick up his headers.
No issue with putting him upfront, but you need to play off him too.
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Post by ivawhopper on Nov 26, 2017 20:08:25 GMT
We just didn’t have the kerflangas to do anything. It wasn’t as if the long balls up to him were any good either was it.
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Post by BarntonBen on Nov 26, 2017 20:57:08 GMT
2 words...... Barry.......Butler
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Post by Hannibal on Nov 28, 2017 7:09:07 GMT
Watching the game on BT Sport yesterday and the emergence of Ryan Astles as a "tactical" and doomed solution to avoiding another loss, reminded me of George Evans who played for Chester 1963-69. George was a mountain of a man who played as "wing half" or "centre half" and was very effective in those positions. However, he also was used in those doomed situations when a battering ram was required to create chaos in the oppositions defence in the off chance that a loose ball could bounce off his head in to the net. It almost never ever worked. It is surprising with the advances in tactical thinking over the years that the 1960's playbook was used by Bignot. It had no impact mainly because of the chaos effect of Astles running around like a headless chicken (you have to feel sorry for the guy) that disturbed the whole balance of the attacking effort. It is of concern that a young ambitious manager resorted to the 1960's playbook and did not come up with a more modern approach. It seems to me that there is enough time during the week of "full time training" to work on scenarios, players and tactics for different phases of the game. I did post a thread some weeks ago when the search was on for a new manager and discussed due diligence and the need to get in a smoke filled room with the "wiseguys" to get the real facts about any applicant. I hope that the CEO and board came out of that room with the right answers as well as a bad cough. On the separate subject of Ryan Astles - it looks like he will run through a brick wall for the team and so should all of the players. However, he is most effective in the back line and given a following wind and a weight management programme could be turned in to a valuable asset. I met George Evans about 10 years ago when he used to go to Total Fitness. Quite a gentleman. I haven't seen him since and I believe he would have passed away. I used to watch him as a 10 year old, but don't remember much of what you describe. |
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Post by Lobster on Nov 28, 2017 7:33:21 GMT
Watching the game on BT Sport yesterday and the emergence of Ryan Astles as a "tactical" and doomed solution to avoiding another loss, reminded me of George Evans who played for Chester 1963-69. George was a mountain of a man who played as "wing half" or "centre half" and was very effective in those positions. However, he also was used in those doomed situations when a battering ram was required to create chaos in the oppositions defence in the off chance that a loose ball could bounce off his head in to the net. It almost never ever worked. It is surprising with the advances in tactical thinking over the years that the 1960's playbook was used by Bignot. It had no impact mainly because of the chaos effect of Astles running around like a headless chicken (you have to feel sorry for the guy) that disturbed the whole balance of the attacking effort. It is of concern that a young ambitious manager resorted to the 1960's playbook and did not come up with a more modern approach. It seems to me that there is enough time during the week of "full time training" to work on scenarios, players and tactics for different phases of the game. I did post a thread some weeks ago when the search was on for a new manager and discussed due diligence and the need to get in a smoke filled room with the "wiseguys" to get the real facts about any applicant. I hope that the CEO and board came out of that room with the right answers as well as a bad cough. On the separate subject of Ryan Astles - it looks like he will run through a brick wall for the team and so should all of the players. However, he is most effective in the back line and given a following wind and a weight management programme could be turned in to a valuable asset. [ I met George Evans about 10 years ago when he used to go to Total Fitness. Quite a gentleman. I haven't seen him since and I believe he would have passed away. I used to watch him as a 10 year old, but don't remember much of what you describe. He passed away in 2000, according to Wikipedia, so it must have been longer than 10 years ago you met him. |
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Post by Hannibal on Nov 28, 2017 8:21:54 GMT
Right thanks Lobster .... I think we may have had another player called Evans who played in that period. I think my Evans also played for Wrexham.
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Post by billyw on Nov 28, 2017 8:38:39 GMT
Right thanks Lobster .... I think we may have had another player called Evans who played in that period. I think my Evans also played for Wrexham. Yes, we signed George from Wrexham. He was a coalminer if I remember correctly. |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Nov 28, 2017 9:01:33 GMT
Right thanks Lobster .... I think we may have had another player called Evans who played in that period. I think my Evans also played for Wrexham. We did have a young lad Dave Evans play for us in the mid 80s but I dont think he played for Wrexham |
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Post by Hannibal on Nov 28, 2017 9:26:57 GMT
Right thanks Lobster .... I think we may have had another player called Evans who played in that period. I think my Evans also played for Wrexham. Yes, we signed George from Wrexham. He was a coalminer if I remember correctly. I'm sure the elderly man I used to chat to at the gym was more recent than before 2000. |
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Post by Lobster on Nov 28, 2017 9:36:03 GMT
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Post by Hannibal on Nov 28, 2017 9:45:03 GMT
I think my man was John Evans. |
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Post by Lobster on Nov 28, 2017 9:49:02 GMT
I think my man was John Evans. He's still with us then, by the looks of things. Someone did an interview with him in 2015. Devachat 1 |
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Post by thebluecamp on Nov 28, 2017 10:08:07 GMT
I think my man was John Evans. He's still with us then, by the looks of things. Someone did an interview with him in 2015. Devachat 1Have a chat with John "Basher" Evans at most home games. Still going strong, and an absolute gentleman with more than enough anecdotes to make you smile. |
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Post by The Angry Agenda on Nov 28, 2017 10:19:30 GMT
2 words...... Barry.......Butler Wasn't Graham Abel used as a centre forward as well ? |
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Post by Lobster on Nov 28, 2017 10:35:23 GMT
I remember Matt Woods and Jonathan Cross both having spells up front around the turn of the millennium. In both cases, it had some success at first, but quickly started to wear thin!
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Post by kyle on Nov 28, 2017 10:57:31 GMT
I remember Matt Woods and Jonathan Cross both having spells up front around the turn of the millennium. In both cases, it had some success at first, but quickly started to wear thin! Didn't Cross get a hat trick in a game once? |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Nov 28, 2017 11:21:57 GMT
I remember Matt Woods and Jonathan Cross both having spells up front around the turn of the millennium. In both cases, it had some success at first, but quickly started to wear thin! Didn't Cross get a hat trick in a game once? Scored 2 in a cup game against Whyteleafe don't think he ever got a hat trick though |
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Post by thestanchion on Nov 28, 2017 12:36:15 GMT
Think I remember Martin Lane playing as an emergency striker at Tranmere. IIRC we won 4-2 and Lane scored three. Anyone confirm/
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Post by billyw on Nov 28, 2017 12:42:41 GMT
I remember Peter Hauser playing himself upfront in one game.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Nov 28, 2017 13:31:26 GMT
Think I remember Martin Lane playing as an emergency striker at Tranmere. IIRC we won 4-2 and Lane scored three. Anyone confirm/ Lane got 2 Thomas and Ludlam got the others in a 4-2 win at Preston Park 82/83 |
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Post by hughie on Nov 28, 2017 15:34:50 GMT
Remember George Evans having an outstanding game against his old club Wrexham at sealand road in the first round of the league club.We stuffed them 3-0.Happy days.
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Post by genghiskhan on Nov 29, 2017 16:53:54 GMT
Think you've got the wrong man. George Evan was a half back who had a few games when Hauser or Durie was injured. Played more after Durie gave up,more as a defender.
The man your thinking about is Colin Curbishley. Usually a half back played a few games up front, remember him playing upfront against Darlington in a 5-4 defeat
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Post by Wortleyblue on Nov 29, 2017 17:47:21 GMT
Think you've got the wrong man. George Evan was a half back who had a few games when Hauser or Durie was injured. Played more after Durie gave up,more as a defender. The man your thinking about is Colin Curbishley. Usually a half back played a few games up front, remember him playing upfront against Darlington in a 5-4 defeat Missed 2 penalties in one match v Aldershot IIRC |
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Post by rjshbdhmtrm on Nov 29, 2017 18:12:25 GMT
Colin Corbishley missed two penalties in one match v Blackburn Rovers in Lancashire F A Cup (remember those days?) - in fact, big Corbs hit the first one against the left upright and later the right upright!.
We did win the Lancashire F A Cup Final iv Burnley - an afternoon kicks-off. I remember going in to Overleigh Sec Mod the following day and getting one almighty caning off Geoff ‘Codeye’ Reynolds PE teacher who was also in attendance.
Aparantly, it was OK for him to miss an afternoons schooling, but not for me!!!!
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Post by oldnotdecrepit on Nov 29, 2017 18:15:20 GMT
Watching the game on BT Sport yesterday and the emergence of Ryan Astles as a "tactical" and doomed solution to avoiding another loss, reminded me of George Evans who played for Chester 1963-69. George was a mountain of a man who played as "wing half" or "centre half" and was very effective in those positions. However, he also was used in those doomed situations when a battering ram was required to create chaos in the oppositions defence in the off chance that a loose ball could bounce off his head in to the net. It almost never ever worked. It is surprising with the advances in tactical thinking over the years that the 1960's playbook was used by Bignot. It had no impact mainly because of the chaos effect of Astles running around like a headless chicken (you have to feel sorry for the guy) that disturbed the whole balance of the attacking effort. It is of concern that a young ambitious manager resorted to the 1960's playbook and did not come up with a more modern approach. It seems to me that there is enough time during the week of "full time training" to work on scenarios, players and tactics for different phases of the game. I did post a thread some weeks ago when the search was on for a new manager and discussed due diligence and the need to get in a smoke filled room with the "wiseguys" to get the real facts about any applicant. I hope that the CEO and board came out of that room with the right answers as well as a bad cough. On the separate subject of Ryan Astles - it looks like he will run through a brick wall for the team and so should all of the players. However, he is most effective in the back line and given a following wind and a weight management programme could be turned in to a valuable asset. Absolutely brilliant post. Thank you. |
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Post by oldnotdecrepit on Nov 29, 2017 18:21:15 GMT
Must admit the managers naive approach is worrying me. The players he’s brought in have been ordinary at best with HJ the only exception. Then the tactics as the game wore on v Dagenham would not have been employed by a Sunday League manager. Poor old Ryan Astles.........I think we may not have improved on our previous incumbent. I hope I’m very wrong.
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Post by Hannibal on Nov 29, 2017 19:21:59 GMT
Think I remember Martin Lane playing as an emergency striker at Tranmere. IIRC we won 4-2 and Lane scored three. Anyone confirm/ Lane got 2 Thomas and Ludlam got the others in a 4-2 win at Preston Park 82/83 Don't you mean Deepdale? |
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Post by lincolnexile on Nov 29, 2017 20:10:02 GMT
Lane got 2 Thomas and Ludlam got the others in a 4-2 win at Preston Park 82/83 Don't you mean Deepdale? I think he actually meant Prenton Park. Predictive text probably altered the word. |
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