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Post by poolepirate on Nov 28, 2017 10:44:57 GMT
i watched the interview with MB after the daggers game and was surprised by the comments
lets look at the facts granted the team had a nightmare journey back from orient but they were given an extra day off to get over it and trained on friday(no doubt for about 3 hours only)
so in 3 days they trained for 3 hours
as mentioned on a thread players are spoilt a privileged group well paid and do not know how fortunate they are most fans work full time , who knows 40/50 hours a week ?
it should be the fans who are "mentally and physically drained"(especially after getting drubbed 4/0)
as with life in general if you tell someone something they start to believe it so MB stating this about the players will only make them think its true
players management etc come and go but the fans stay over years maybe over a lifetime and its them who care about THEIR club most paid employees are just there for the paycheck(despite what they say to the press)
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Post by superman on Nov 28, 2017 11:39:29 GMT
In the same interview he said both that the players were mentally and physically drained and also that they let themselves down. Which is it? Both these comments are in a way a criticism of the players, but there was no mention from Bignot that just maybe he got the tactics wrong when we went one down. I am starting to get the feeling, particularly after listening to Marcus at the meeting that he is big into justifying his own existence harping back to his career both as a player and manager, with in-depth knowledge of Kidderminster etc. People used to moan about previous managers referring to low budget, but if you listen to MB he is just as bad if not more so. He knew the score. He has not achieved a significant uplift in results and if the players are mentally and physically exhausted then his introduction of the move to full time may have not been as successful as he anticipated. Perhaps motivation is the key here, perhaps his management style is demotivating some of the squad. Not that I can excuse their capitulation, as professional footballers it was not for the first time pathetic. Hope MB proves me wrong, we have to stick with him unless he walks (which would not surprise me) but maybe nobody could turn things round. What I find disappointing is the lack of passion, with the exception of Ryan Astles. Too many just taking a wage.
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Post by eyeswideopen on Nov 28, 2017 11:58:15 GMT
After a very close first half, in which I think we just about shaded.
There should have been only one team gone on to win after they missed the penalty.
This is done with leadership, rallying the troops.
I just don't see that in this team, certainly not in McCombe, we need a Graham Barrow, a Paul Carden a George Horan, not the most gifted of players, but leaders nevertheless.
What we lack in quality is forgivable, what we lack in sheer passion isn't, its simply unacceptable.
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Post by chesterken on Nov 28, 2017 12:27:12 GMT
We have to remember that footballers are such a funny lot it doesn’t take long for a very good side to to lose confidence and look a very ordinary side, and before someone jumps in I’m not suggesting that’s us😀, but it’s a fact that it doesn’t take much to lose a dressing room some players react to a kick up the arse others sulk, it’s ok for fans to say he should do this or that but he does have to tread a bit carefully, so many Managers get sacked because the players stop playing for them even at the very top. As I said footballers are a strange lot and I’m glad I’m watching from the side lines than trying to fix it.
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Post by poolepirate on Nov 28, 2017 13:31:48 GMT
the situation echoes the second half of last season lack of passion lack of desire and yes lack of quality but the trouble is its virtually a new team this season so we seem to have inherited a new team with a bigger budget but just as bad
i dont go along with the comment you have to tread carefully with the players they are not doing their job and need to be told
never mind having a christmas beano next saturday it is a working day for them get them in for training if they want a beano on their day off fair enough
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Post by Lobster on Nov 28, 2017 13:38:13 GMT
I thought it was quite an honest summing up from Bignot to be honest. They did look exhausted and low on confidence in that half. Is it acceptable? No. Is it accurate? Probably, yes.
There's only so much he can say after a 4-0 defeat. I think while most of us accept that this problem is not of his making, it might be an idea to have a little bit of patience with him and not pull everything he says apart. Just my view.
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Post by g1 on Nov 28, 2017 13:45:27 GMT
Throwing a curve ball is full time training working it doesn't seem to be
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Post by chesterken on Nov 28, 2017 18:42:34 GMT
I thought it was quite an honest summing up from Bignot to be honest. They did look exhausted and low on confidence in that half. Is it acceptable? No. Is it accurate? Probably, yes. There's only so much he can say after a 4-0 defeat. I think while most of us accept that this problem is not of his making, it might be an idea to have a little bit of patience with him and not pull everything he says apart. Just my view. Good points well made Lobster let’s not forget bigger teams than us are going though the same lack of confidence issues, Everton being one example. |
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Post by Hannibal on Nov 28, 2017 18:44:29 GMT
Throwing a curve ball is full time training working it doesn't seem to be Can anyone translate? |
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Post by billyw on Nov 28, 2017 19:13:11 GMT
Throwing a curve ball is full time training working it doesn't seem to be Can anyone translate? Throwing a curve ball means someone surprising you by doing something unexpected - in this case i think it means is to deviate from the main subject - it is an American baseball term. |
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Post by agl on Nov 28, 2017 19:21:02 GMT
Maybe our resident pedant could tidy up and add some much-needed punctuation.
I will have a go:
To throw in a curve-ball, is full-time training working? It doesn't seem to be.
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Post by imadeva on Nov 28, 2017 22:23:56 GMT
In the same interview he said both that the players were mentally and physically drained and also that they let themselves down. Which is it? Both these comments are in a way a criticism of the players, but there was no mention from Bignot that just maybe he got the tactics wrong when we went one down. I am starting to get the feeling, particularly after listening to Marcus at the meeting that he is big into justifying his own existence harping back to his career both as a player and manager, with in-depth knowledge of Kidderminster etc. People used to moan about previous managers referring to low budget, but if you listen to MB he is just as bad if not more so. He knew the score. He has not achieved a significant uplift in results and if the players are mentally and physically exhausted then his introduction of the move to full time may have not been as successful as he anticipated. Perhaps motivation is the key here, perhaps his management style is demotivating some of the squad. Not that I can excuse their capitulation, as professional footballers it was not for the first time pathetic. Hope MB proves me wrong, we have to stick with him unless he walks (which would not surprise me) but maybe nobody could turn things round. What I find disappointing is the lack of passion, with the exception of Ryan Astles. Too many just taking a wage. Well said totally agree |
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Post by Hannibal on Nov 29, 2017 19:16:55 GMT
Throwing a curve ball means someone surprising you by doing something unexpected - in this case i think it means is to deviate from the main subject - it is an American baseball term. I know that, but I couldn't understand that sentence. It's what I thought might be written by a dyslexic. |
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Post by Lobster on Nov 29, 2017 19:25:43 GMT
Throwing a curve ball means someone surprising you by doing something unexpected - in this case i think it means is to deviate from the main subject - it is an American baseball term. I know that, but I couldn't understand that sentence. It's what I thought might be written by a dyslexic. He might be, for all you know. Bit harsh for you to make an issue of it like this. |
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Post by Hannibal on Nov 29, 2017 19:41:11 GMT
For gods sake I'm just asking what his point was.
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Post by Hannibal on Nov 29, 2017 19:44:36 GMT
I've read the original post again and he might be saying ' full-time training is not working', but he doesn't use punctuation or capital letters.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Nov 30, 2017 15:57:40 GMT
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Post by dragonslayer on Nov 30, 2017 18:09:46 GMT
It's me that is physically and mentally drained watching that shower of shite every week.
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