|
|
BREXIT
Jan 15, 2021 7:08:43 GMT
via mobile
Post by Ian H Block on Jan 15, 2021 7:08:43 GMT
Jacob Rees Mogg just being Jacob Rees Mogg today, claiming that fish are happier for being British. A complete twat in a suit that man, couldn't be more out of touch with the British public if he tried. As someone said of him recently, he’s a cheap xenophobe in an expensive suit. He’s also a stupid person’s idea of what an intelligent person sounds like: a vacuous non-entity with a plummy voice. |
|
|
|
BREXIT
Jan 15, 2021 8:02:17 GMT
via mobile
Post by midfieldgeneral on Jan 15, 2021 8:02:17 GMT
Pretty much. I think Starmer wanted to draw a line under it and move on, but then he's been pretty weak and compliant to everything the Tories have done since becoming Labour leader. Personally I'd much prefer Labour to abstain from all things Brexit, accept that their support is divided on the issue and let the Tories own it. But I suppose that was more or less Corbyn's stance in the last election and it didn't work. Must admit Labours stance is a bit bemusing you would think that just for the fact of being in opposition that they would vote against the Government on principal, its not as if it would make any difference with the majority the Government has. Starmer is a 'Red Tory' fighting the last war,in order to placate the 'Red Wall'. He should grew a pair oppose this Tory Brexit and argue for single market and customs union membership A sociaList and internationalist party is needed. |
|
|
|
BREXIT
Jan 15, 2021 8:28:21 GMT
via mobile
Post by midfieldgeneral on Jan 15, 2021 8:28:21 GMT
Irony starting to hit home Stories from Wales and Scotland of exporters of fish , unable to export to EU, and of exports of their produce rotting on the docks , because of 30 hour delays and a mass of form filing and paperwork Fishing communities voted overwhelmingly for Brexit and now have boats stuck in harbour or unviable to go out , because their catch is worthless They got their fish back but unfortunately, cannot sell it. And they will get zero sympathy from me. And a lesson for Mogg and the rest of the dumbass, popularist Brexiteers ( and there are are a few on these pages) it is called the single market for a reason and means, frictionless trade. We choose to leave it, so delays to supply chains are the new normal Even , the odious Thatcher wasnt that stupid Si, empty shelves, in Northern Ireland is entirely the fault of the UK ,so called Government The UK is the only country ever, to start with a free trade agreement and impose economic trading restrictions , on itself Future generations will be gobsmacked by the stupidity if this generation, of so called politicians and Johnson's government of the talentless.
|
|
|
|
Post by Ian H Block on Jan 15, 2021 8:34:17 GMT
Irony starting to hit home Stories from Wales and Scotland of exporters of fish , unable to export to EU, and of exports of their produce rotting on the docks , because of 30 hour delays and a mass of form filing and paperwork Fishing communities voted overwhelmingly for Brexit and now have boats stuck in harbour or unviable to go out , because their catch is worthless They got their fish back but unfortunately, cannot sell it. And they will get zero sympathy from me. And a lesson for Mogg and the rest of the dumbass, popularist Brexiteers ( and there are are a few on these pages) it is called the single market for a reason and means, frictionless trade. We choose to leave it, so delays to supply chains are the new normal Even , the odious Thatcher wasnt that stupid Si, empty shelves, in Northern Ireland is entirely the fault of the UK ,so called Government The UK is the only country ever, to start with a free trade agreement and impose economic trading restrictuons , on itself Future generations will be gobsmacked by the stupidity if this generstion, of so called politicians and Johnson's government of the talentless. Rees-Mogg doesn’t care, the Brexshit cannon fodder have served their purpose. Harsh but valuable life lesson for U.K. fishermen: never, ever, trust a Tory. |
|
|
|
BREXIT
Jan 15, 2021 8:50:03 GMT
Post by Wortleyblue on Jan 15, 2021 8:50:03 GMT
Must admit Labours stance is a bit bemusing you would think that just for the fact of being in opposition that they would vote against the Government on principal, its not as if it would make any difference with the majority the Government has. Starmer is a 'Red Tory' fighting the last war,in order to placate the 'Red Wall'. He should grew a pair oppose this Tory Brexit and argue for single market and customs union membership A sociaList and internationalist party is needed. Surely you cannot have both of those since brexit we can trade with the whole world you cant get more internionalist than that |
|
|
|
BREXIT
Jan 15, 2021 8:56:50 GMT
via mobile
Post by Ian H Block on Jan 15, 2021 8:56:50 GMT
Starmer is a 'Red Tory' fighting the last war,in order to placate the 'Red Wall'. He should grew a pair oppose this Tory Brexit and argue for single market and customs union membership A sociaList and internationalist party is needed. Surely you cannot have both of those since brexit we can trade with the whole world you cant get more internionalist than that We could trade with the whole world pre-Brexshit. |
|
|
|
BREXIT
Jan 15, 2021 9:19:57 GMT
via mobile
Post by lincolnexile on Jan 15, 2021 9:19:57 GMT
Irony starting to hit home Stories from Wales and Scotland of exporters of fish , unable to export to EU, and of exports of their produce rotting on the docks , because of 30 hour delays and a mass of form filing and paperwork Fishing communities voted overwhelmingly for Brexit and now have boats stuck in harbour or unviable to go out , because their catch is worthless They got their fish back but unfortunately, cannot sell it. And they will get zero sympathy from me. And a lesson for Mogg and the rest of the dumbass, popularist Brexiteers ( and there are are a few on these pages) it is called the single market for a reason and means, frictionless trade. We choose to leave it, so delays to supply chains are the new normal Even , the odious Thatcher wasnt that stupid Si, empty shelves, in Northern Ireland is entirely the fault of the UK ,so called Government The UK is the only country ever, to start with a free trade agreement and impose economic trading restrictions , on itself Future generations will be gobsmacked by the stupidity if this generation, of so called politicians and Johnson's government of the talentless. I’m guessing you voted remain? 🤣 |
|
|
|
BREXIT
Jan 15, 2021 10:01:49 GMT
via mobile
Post by midfieldgeneral on Jan 15, 2021 10:01:49 GMT
Irony starting to hit home Stories from Wales and Scotland of exporters of fish , unable to export to EU, and of exports of their produce rotting on the docks , because of 30 hour delays and a mass of form filing and paperwork Fishing communities voted overwhelmingly for Brexit and now have boats stuck in harbour or unviable to go out , because their catch is worthless They got their fish back but unfortunately, cannot sell it. And they will get zero sympathy from me. And a lesson for Mogg and the rest of the dumbass, popularist Brexiteers ( and there are are a few on these pages) it is called the single market for a reason and means, frictionless trade. We choose to leave it, so delays to supply chains are the new normal Even , the odious Thatcher wasnt that stupid Si, empty shelves, in Northern Ireland is entirely the fault of the UK ,so called Government The UK is the only country ever, to start with a free trade agreement and impose economic trading restrictions , on itself Future generations will be gobsmacked by the stupidity if this generation, of so called politicians and Johnson's government of the talentless. I’m guessing you voted remain? 🤣 Yes.Because I am intelligent enough to foresee the consequences of Brexit and the rise of English Nationalism |
|
|
|
Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 15, 2021 10:08:48 GMT
Fishing and customs has already been discussed in this thread, I can't be arsed to type it all again so read back and unpick Ian H Blocks propaganda you'll find the reasons...
|
|
|
|
BREXIT
Jan 15, 2021 10:11:04 GMT
via mobile
Post by midfieldgeneral on Jan 15, 2021 10:11:04 GMT
he is not upset he is happy because he wants it to fail .i find that odd really because himself and his family will have to live through it.there is no major problem and it will be sorted as the company says people are in place to help the smaller firms to complete the forms present orders will be delivered they are just not accepting goods with wrong paperwork. . Ha! Ha! Brexit doesnt need the wishes of Ian H Block to fail Its doing a pretty good job of that under its own steam. |
|
|
|
Post by Ian H Block on Jan 15, 2021 10:32:49 GMT
Fishing and customs has already been discussed in this thread, I can't be arsed to type it all again so read back and unpick Ian H Blocks propaganda you'll find the reasons...  |
|
|
|
BREXIT
Jan 15, 2021 10:36:16 GMT
via mobile
Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 15, 2021 10:36:16 GMT
Fishing and customs has already been discussed in this thread, I can't be arsed to type it all again so read back and unpick Ian H Blocks propaganda you'll find the reasons... 🤣🤣 well said Ian |
|
|
|
BREXIT
Jan 15, 2021 10:41:54 GMT
via mobile
Post by midfieldgeneral on Jan 15, 2021 10:41:54 GMT
Ever heard of the term Pyrrhic victory.. A victory won at too great a cost to have been worthwhile for the victor. Just about sums Brexit up |
|
|
|
BREXIT
Jan 15, 2021 10:45:07 GMT
via mobile
Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 15, 2021 10:45:07 GMT
Ever heard of the term Pyrrhic victory.. A victory won at too great a cost to have been worthwhile for the victor. Just about sums Brexit up Are you another Ian who looks backwards and negatively about it, or can we hope for some decent debate about the way forwards and how to get the best for everyone? The latter hopefully, because as easy as it is to debunk Ians propaganda it doesn't facilitate any kind of debate at all sadly. If anything it's tedious, boring and predictable. |
|
|
|
BREXIT
Jan 15, 2021 10:46:15 GMT
Post by Wortleyblue on Jan 15, 2021 10:46:15 GMT
Surely you cannot have both of those since brexit we can trade with the whole world you cant get more internionalist than that We could trade with the whole world pre-Brexshit. Yes but only on EU terms which are very restrictive hence the term Single Market |
|
|
|
BREXIT
Jan 15, 2021 10:53:53 GMT
Post by Ian H Block on Jan 15, 2021 10:53:53 GMT
We could trade with the whole world pre-Brexshit. Yes but only on EU terms which are very restrictive hence the term Single Market Not really stopped Germany from being the world’s 3rd biggest exporter of goods, which kinda blows a hole in your argument.  |
|
|
|
BREXIT
Jan 15, 2021 11:01:05 GMT
via mobile
Post by Ian H Block on Jan 15, 2021 11:01:05 GMT
Ever heard of the term Pyrrhic victory.. A victory won at too great a cost to have been worthwhile for the victor. Just about sums Brexit up Are you another Ian who looks backwards and negatively about it, or can we hope for some decent debate about the way forwards and how to get the best for everyone? The latter hopefully, because as easy as it is to debunk Ians propaganda it doesn't facilitate any kind of debate at all sadly. If anything it's tedious, boring and predictable. I look forwards and negatively. Struggling with those tenses again. I appreciate you’re a fanatic, as Brexshit is the ultimate end product of blind fanaticism. And like all fanatics you are secretly riven by private doubts. It’s also human nature to project you’re anger at those exposing your weaknesses, but really you should be focusing your ire on those who lied to you for the past 4 years. As soon as you can accept that, you’ll be in a much happier place. |
|
|
|
BREXIT
Jan 15, 2021 11:04:48 GMT
via mobile
Post by midfieldgeneral on Jan 15, 2021 11:04:48 GMT
Ever heard of the term Pyrrhic victory.. A victory won at too great a cost to have been worthwhile for the victor. Just about sums Brexit up Are you another Ian who looks backwards and negatively about it, or can we hope for some decent debate about the way forwards and how to get the best for everyone? The latter hopefully, because as easy as it is to debunk Ians propaganda it doesn't facilitate any kind of debate at all sadly. If anything it's tedious, boring and predictable. In the interests of National unity and what any consenus politician would have done, would have been to go down the line of least resistance and left the EU, after the referendum and maintained single market and customs union membership. 1. To make sure goods could be transfered freely and 2 To stop the strain that Brexit has put of the very fabric, of the UK. ( But that was never going to happen because the conservative party, was too dominated by popularist sentiment Think Hestletine and Soubry, traditional conservatives who now are homeless. Remember there is about half the population who think Brexit is a terrible idea and still do. Remember Brexit is only as strong as the Conseevative majority and a more progressive government may go down those lines and seek ever closer ties with the EU Brexit is far from settled as is the debate about Scottish independence and a united Ireland and will dominated British politics for a generation |
|
|
|
BREXIT
Jan 15, 2021 11:04:57 GMT
via mobile
Post by lincolnexile on Jan 15, 2021 11:04:57 GMT
I can’t see the point debating Brexit. It’s here to stay and the majority voted for it, it’s not something that was forced on us, we actually had a referendum where more voted to leave than stay, we could have voted to stay but we didn’t. No point constantly wringing about it..
|
|
|
|
BREXIT
Jan 15, 2021 11:06:39 GMT
Post by Wortleyblue on Jan 15, 2021 11:06:39 GMT
Yes but only on EU terms which are very restrictive hence the term Single Market Not really stopped Germany from being the world’s 3rd biggest exporter of goods, which kinda blows a hole in your argument. View Attachmentand what % of Germany's exports went into the EU |
|
|
|
BREXIT
Jan 15, 2021 11:13:49 GMT
via mobile
Post by midfieldgeneral on Jan 15, 2021 11:13:49 GMT
I can’t see the point debating Brexit. It’s here to stay and the majority voted for it, it’s not something that was forced on us, we actually had a referendum where more voted to leave than stay, we could have voted to stay but we didn’t. No point constantly wringing about it.. Did you not read my above post? Brexit is far from settled and is only as strong as the Conservative majority. So, half the population just stay silent? What planet are you living on? |
|
|
|
Post by Ian H Block on Jan 15, 2021 11:14:43 GMT
Not really stopped Germany from being the world’s 3rd biggest exporter of goods, which kinda blows a hole in your argument. View Attachmentand what % of Germany's exports went into the EU 68%, which is why the Germans, unlike us, are not too stupid to disrupt trade with its biggest export market. You would have to be seriously deranged to countenance something like that. |
|
|
|
BREXIT
Jan 15, 2021 11:19:05 GMT
Post by Wortleyblue on Jan 15, 2021 11:19:05 GMT
and what % of Germany's exports went into the EU 68%, which is why the Germans, unlike us, are not too stupid to disrupt trade with its biggest export market. You would have to be seriously deranged to countenance something like that. Interesting can you enlighten us with the figures for the rest of the EU and why did you only screenshot the top 4 of the wiki table as in 5th place is the UK |
|
|
|
Post by Ian H Block on Jan 15, 2021 11:23:01 GMT
68%, which is why the Germans, unlike us, are not too stupid to disrupt trade with its biggest export market. You would have to be seriously deranged to countenance something like that. Interesting can you enlighten us with the figures for the rest of the EU and why did you only screenshot the top 4 of the wiki table as in 5th place is the UK Here’s a thought, why don’t you Google it. I can tell you that 43% of U.K. exports were to the EU so you’d have to be a masochist to destroy trade with your biggest export market. |
|
|
|
BREXIT
Jan 15, 2021 11:23:17 GMT
via mobile
Post by lincolnexile on Jan 15, 2021 11:23:17 GMT
Did you not read my above post? Brexit is far from settled and is only as strong as the Conservative majority. So, half the population just stay silent? What planet are you living on? Slightly less than half I think you’ll find. |
|
|
|
Post by Ian H Block on Jan 15, 2021 11:25:36 GMT
I can’t see the point debating Brexit. It’s here to stay and the majority voted for it, it’s not something that was forced on us, we actually had a referendum where more voted to leave than stay, we could have voted to stay but we didn’t. No point constantly wringing about it.. I’m not whinging, just quietly enjoying all the Billy Brexshitters have their bubbles burst. The loudest moans are coming from Brexshits biggest cheerleaders - U.K. fishing and the DUP, who are now slowly realising they have been used and abused by the Tory Party. |
|
|
|
BREXIT
Jan 15, 2021 11:32:25 GMT
Post by Wortleyblue on Jan 15, 2021 11:32:25 GMT
Interesting can you enlighten us with the figures for the rest of the EU and why did you only screenshot the top 4 of the wiki table as in 5th place is the UK Here’s a thought, why don’t you Google it. I can tell you that 43% of U.K. exports were to the EU so you’d have to be a masochist to destroy trade with your biggest export market. So Germany exports 32% worlwide and we export 57% worldwide so our biggest export market is worldwide and what we've done is given ourselves the opportunity to expand our biggest export market |
|
|
|
BREXIT
Jan 15, 2021 11:36:16 GMT
via mobile
Post by South Wirral Blue on Jan 15, 2021 11:36:16 GMT
Interesting can you enlighten us with the figures for the rest of the EU and why did you only screenshot the top 4 of the wiki table as in 5th place is the UK you’d have to be a masochist to destroy trade with your biggest export market. ...you'd have to be an even bigger one to want your country to fail simply because you were on the losing side of a vote. Time to snap out of it comrade! |
|
|
|
BREXIT
Jan 15, 2021 11:36:30 GMT
Post by Ian H Block on Jan 15, 2021 11:36:30 GMT
Here’s a thought, why don’t you Google it. I can tell you that 43% of U.K. exports were to the EU so you’d have to be a masochist to destroy trade with your biggest export market. So Germany exports 32% worlwide and we export 57% worldwide so our biggest export market is worldwide and what we've done is given ourselves the opportunity to expand our biggest export market So there are only two export markets - EU and ‘worldwide’? |
|
|
|
Post by Ian H Block on Jan 15, 2021 11:40:17 GMT
you’d have to be a masochist to destroy trade with your biggest export market. ...you'd have to be an even bigger one to want your country to fail simply because you were on the losing side of a vote. Time to snap out of it comrade! Where have I said I want it to fail? It’s just inevitable. A deeply flawed flagship policy with no grounding in the real world delivered by a carnival of liars, crooks and incompetents. I appreciate that the helmets who helped deliver this are looking for people to blame, but really it’s not the fault of random non-league football fans on a message board who aren’t cheering loudly enough. |
|
