BREXIT

Yeah but we've taken back control of ourselves or something.

Today's "revelation" (was to be expected of this shower in government) that the Brexit Minister has now admitted the government have not carried out any impact assessments at all is unreal.

Get out, let Keir Starmer and his team sort this crap out. Otherwise Brexit must cease immediately - it is based on lies. The UK parliament is no longer credible and the government must resign.

No!

Insulting millions of people who exercised their democratic right.

You might have a point.

Brexiteers

Given that a significant majority of Leave voters are happy to see the economy crash and even close family members lose their jobs as a consequence of Brexshit I’m comfortable insulting them.

I've concluded, regretfully, that this may be the time to walk away from the present negotiations and prepare for WTO terms.

It has become increasingly apparent that the EU is not negotiating in good faith. It is ignoring its own long-term trading interests in order to punish the UK and serve as an example to others.

There was no logic in separating the present round of discussions from trade talks. The 'divorce bill' is essentially a sweetener to buy favourable terms from the EU, but without trade talks there is no indication of what those terms may be. Not even the Mafia would expect their beaks to be wetted without the mark knowing what they would be getting in return.

Likewise with the Irish situation - how could the UK possibly commit a part of its territory to regulatory convergence when there is no idea of what the regulatory relationship may be? Neither the UK or the Republic want a hard border. The EU are using the RoI government as a catspaw in this (after making it clear at the beginning of this process that it would not allow the UK to speak to individual governments). Unforgivably, the EU has talked up the possibility of the renewal of terrorism if it does not get its own way.

Thus far there have been a succession of unreasonable and inflexible demands to which the government has acceeded. Thus the EU has no reason not to carry on with this approach in any second round of trade talks.

There are huge advantages to the UK and the EU to reach an amicable and fair settlement. Brussels has become very dependent on the British subsidy, and much of the graspingness it has shown has come from concern about an enormous hole in its budget going forward. A UK withdrawal from the 'divorce bill' settlement and a moratorium of UK's membership fees whilst it tots up the costs of a precipitate withdrawal might serve to concentrate minds in Brussels (and certainly would in its regional capitals) to approach discussions on the future relationship in a more positive and equitable fashion.

So, yes, it is a mess, can we now agree?

Cracking front page. I loved it!  Those Tories were prepared to use the party machine to get elected to the pig troughers club, the old boys club, the subsidised restaurants, but weren't prepared to support the party in the end.  We need a right wing Momentum to force them out.  We've a lot to learn from the current Labour set up in enforcing loyalty - Momemtum do no matter how I'll-conceived the outcome.
I'll now stand back while the leftie love in begins.

I wouldn't mind if it was about the sovereignty of Parliament, but for some it's just an attempt to stop Brexit. In their minds, they are so intellectually superior to us mere voters that they should only be the ones who decide the future.  Bloody Ken Clark, Vince Cable and smug guts like that. Notice I haven't included the likes of Keir Starmer because I honestly don't know what he wants.  His views seem to change as much as Andy Burnham's used to.

There is a stronger left-wing case to be made for Brexit.  The provisions of the single market for the free movement of goods, capital, services and labour are a laissez-faire economist's dream.  It is significant that big business and big capital are very much in favour of continued membership.

Ordinary people of the country have suffered disproportionally from the destruction of our manufacturing base, the selling off of our public utilities, the imposition of a low wage economy, zero-hours contracts, displacement in the workforce, diversion of tax revenue into net contributions to Europe, a collapsing welfare sector and unsustainable pressure on housing and education.

Isn't this where 'taking back control' comes in? The EU is an inflexible bureaucracy and has proved with ourselves and others that it will not change its core strategy of the single market in response to change in circumstances, as David Cameron found out. So inside the EU the UK is stuck with its economic policies. Outside, a vote for Corbyn, Burnham, May, McDonnell, Redwood, whoever, has a direct impact on economic life.

The best guarantee of workers' rights is full employment, when the value of labour rises. This will never be achieved with an open-door immigration policy into a welfare state. The Labour Party, in the days when it still represented the interests of ordinary working people, realised the dangers and campaigned long and hard to keep out and to stay out.

I have to have a little chuckle any suggestion this was a bunch of 'right wingers' voting for BREXIT.

A significant amount of Labour voters wanted BREXIT and the Labour leader is a 'closet' Brexiteer!

The fact is the right and left support BREXIT for different reasons but to suggest it is just 'kippers' shows a complete lack of understanding and if I mat so so 'intelligence'!

If there’s one good thing to come out of Brexshit, it looks like there will be a United Ireland in the near future.