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Post by Hannibal on Dec 10, 2017 8:57:34 GMT
After the win yesterday I'm convinced that with a back 4 of: Hall-Johnson, Jones, Astles and Gough we will have a solid base, which will not concede 2 goals a game and give us a better chance of winning games. As for midfield and attack we are better when Shaw and an improving Hannah play.
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Post by tarvinblue on Dec 10, 2017 9:05:20 GMT
Keeping Halls and McCombe out of the equation and keeping our main players fit is key to our chances.
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Post by happyclapper52 on Dec 10, 2017 9:16:29 GMT
After the win yesterday I'm convinced that with a back 4 of: Hall-Johnson, Jones, Astles and Gough we will have a solid base, which will not concede 2 goals a game and give us a better chance of winning games. As for midfield and attack we are better when Shaw and an improving Hannah play. Totally agree.4-4-2 is best. With 5 in midfield it is overcrowded and confusing.It's almost like a "hunting in a pack attitude" with no room to switch play ? We have some good players who just need a couple of wins and organising better. Oh and why do we need 2 players at each free kick trying to fool the opposition as to who is taking the kick with LRT stupid arm raising signals ? Let one take it and LRT get in the bloody box as at least adds some height ? And yesterday why 7 behind the ball on edge of our box against Solihull who had nothing up front? Keep it simple Marcus but bomb forward especially at home?
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Dec 10, 2017 9:16:29 GMT
After the win yesterday I'm convinced that with a back 4 of: Hall-Johnson, Jones, Astles and Gough we will have a solid base, which will not concede 2 goals a game and give us a better chance of winning games. As for midfield and attack we are better when Shaw and an improving Hannah play. Slightly disagree, I would go 5-3-2, with a back 3 of Jones, Astles and Anderson. Hall-Johnson and Gough as wingbacks., because this looks far more solid, as you say. We have been conceeding far too many goals all season and need to learn to grind out a few 1-0 wins, given our lack of creativity.. Draft Tom Crawford into the squad, to give our underperforming midfielders some competition and Archer, back up front. Mahon should be used as an impact sub, given his injury record, as we cant rely on him.
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Post by jb on Dec 10, 2017 9:54:28 GMT
After the win yesterday I'm convinced that with a back 4 of: Hall-Johnson, Jones, Astles and Gough we will have a solid base, which will not concede 2 goals a game and give us a better chance of winning games. As for midfield and attack we are better when Shaw and an improving Hannah play. We didn’t look like conceding yesterday so why change a defence that looked solid for once? Astles looked like he’d block a runaway freight train and pass it forty yards only for Dawson to mis-control it. The pace of Anderson and Jones compliments the big man’s power and strength. Keeper looked like he likes to command his box which has been missing at the Deva for years. We need to stay solid. If we don’t concede we will pick up points. A solid defence is key to us staying up. It was the midfield that was the problem yesterday. Halls was terrible, James way off the pace and Dawson looking scared every time he got the ball. The two lads up front had no support and had to feed off scraps.
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Post by Sealand Road Veteran on Dec 10, 2017 10:19:40 GMT
The thing that got me yesterday, we were playing bottom of the league Solihull and we made them look good, Why the hell were we playing with what looked like 5 across the back and 3 more about 2 yards in front of them then a huge gap to the two forwards. The reason we lost the midfield is because we didn't have one, at times it looked like we were playing an 8-0-2 formation, it was so unbelievably negative against the bottom team, the players are starting to look like they are afraid to get on the ball. Playing 5-3-2 is fine as long as it's a standard 5-3-2 not as a 8-0-2. Every time we did win the ball we hoofed it to the 2 up front expecting them to work miracles and it came straight back. We may well have got the 3 points but that was absolutely shocking to watch. people may say well we got the 3 points, but I will guarantee that will not work against the higher teams, you cannot just keep inviting pressure and not concede. Yes the 3 points is great and all that, but massive improvement is needed. Pluses from yesterday, Jones has to play every week he will only get better, did not look out of place at all, astles hall Johnson and Shaw back big pluses, and Hannah starting to look sharper. The keeper looks solid too, and Anderson had a good game too. Get the rest of the squad back fit (how we could do with a fit flying Craig Mahon, not sure on the chances though)and stop,sitting deep inviting pressure and we may just have a chance, keep sitting so deep inviting teams onto us and I fear it's only a matter of time
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Post by devadiva on Dec 10, 2017 11:28:11 GMT
The thing that got me yesterday, we were playing bottom of the league Solihull and we made them look good, Why the hell were we playing with what looked like 5 across the back and 3 more about 2 yards in front of them then a huge gap to the two forwards. The reason we lost the midfield is because we didn't have one, at times it looked like we were playing an 8-0-2 formation, it was so unbelievably negative against the bottom team, the players are starting to look like they are afraid to get on the ball. Playing 5-3-2 is fine as long as it's a standard 5-3-2 not as a 8-0-2. Every time we did win the ball we hoofed it to the 2 up front expecting them to work miracles and it came straight back. We may well have got the 3 points but that was absolutely shocking to watch. people may say well we got the 3 points, but I will guarantee that will not work against the higher teams, you cannot just keep inviting pressure and not concede. Yes the 3 points is great and all that, but massive improvement is needed. Pluses from yesterday, Jones has to play every week he will only get better, did not look out of place at all, astles hall Johnson and Shaw back big pluses, and Hannah starting to look sharper. The keeper looks solid too, and Anderson had a good game too. Get the rest of the squad back fit (how we could do with a fit flying Craig Mahon, not sure on the chances though)and stop,sitting deep inviting pressure and we may just have a chance, keep sitting so deep inviting teams onto us and I fear it's only a matter of time 5-3-2 is the way to go, I agree. With injured players becoming available now, the other thing we need is a more consistent starting 11 with a much stronger bench than of late. Hopefully this is achievable over Dec and Jan for all the reasons already stated in other posts - but let’s not forget we are heavily dependent on loan players, many of which potentially run out in the next couple of months - so we really do need to make hay while the sun shines (no matter how inappropriate that phrase is for this time of year).
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Post by chesterken on Dec 10, 2017 12:35:33 GMT
Really pleased with the 3 points however we got them but the downside for me is that the Solihull keeper didn’t make a single save all afternoon, he missed the corner due to Astles flick then Hannah did the rest but that was it. I thought the 3 at the back did very well , the number 37 for them was a handful all afternoon, I like a forward who fouls the centre backs instead of just letting them win every ball,Bell take notice. I would keep the back 3 for the Halifax game because they are 100% hoof all up to Denton but let’s be more creative when we break.
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Post by Hannibal on Dec 10, 2017 14:42:31 GMT
Good debate. When I said 442 I'd forgotten what a good game Anderson had and 532 would work as well. The main point of my post was how easily JJ slotted in. I would also like to see Halls and McCombe removed from the equation as Tarvin Blue said. They are always gifting goals to the opposition.
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Post by Jack on Dec 10, 2017 14:55:09 GMT
I don’t think I’m as convinced that Jones is as ready as most on here seem to think. He did really well yesterday but for 45 mins I thought he had a pretty rough ride and looked a bit out of his depth. 2nd half he was excellent but I think a better team might have punished him in the first 30 mins.
In no way a slight on JJ, I was impressed with him and the potential is clearly there. I just think his game time needs to be managed, as opposed to making him first name on the team sheet just yet.
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Post by tarvinblue on Dec 10, 2017 15:21:09 GMT
I don’t think I’m as convinced that Jones is as ready as most on here seem to think. He did really well yesterday but for 45 mins I thought he had a pretty rough ride and looked a bit out of his depth. 2nd half he was excellent but I think a better team might have punished him in the first 30 mins. In no way a slight on JJ, I was impressed with him and the potential is clearly there. I just think his game time needs to be managed, as opposed to making him first name on the team sheet just yet. Completely agree and said as much yesterday. I thought he got dragged about a lot in the first half and was caught a number of times. I know we are all desperate to see players come through - particularly central defenders - right now but they need to be ready. I think the main point is he was still better than McCombe and that should ensure him game time over the coming weeks. Hopefully with the right coaching he will build on yesterday as his height and pace are a massive bonus.
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Post by Hannibal on Dec 10, 2017 16:08:45 GMT
I noticed yesterday that Astles was coaxing, cajoling and helping James throughout the game. I don't agree with all this moaning about Ryan being overweight. He's our best player by a street.
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Post by Cestrian1987 on Dec 10, 2017 17:14:15 GMT
Kingsley James need dropping, he is so poor. Just doesn’t look interested. Lucas Dawson is awful, also. Can’t believe people rate him.
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Post by Hannibal on Dec 10, 2017 18:50:52 GMT
Kingsley James need dropping, he is so poor. Just doesn’t look interested. Lucas Dawson is awful, also. Can’t believe people rate him. He had a spell of about 2 or 3 matches when he upped his game, but generally he's poor. All 3 ex-Macclesfield players are massive disappointments. I bet they've come here for more money than they were on at Macclesfield. None of Jon McCarthy's 8 summer signings have looked like they deserve to be here next season whatever league we're in, but we're stuck with 3 of them. Only Ross Hannah is anywhere near what we need.
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Post by chesterken on Dec 10, 2017 19:12:03 GMT
Kingsley James need dropping, he is so poor. Just doesn’t look interested. Lucas Dawson is awful, also. Can’t believe people rate him. He had a spell of about 2 or 3 matches when he upped his game, but generally he's poor. All 3 ex-Macclesfield players are massive disappointments. I bet they've come here for more money than they were on at Macclesfield. None of Jon McCarthy's 8 summer signings have looked like they deserve to be here next season whatever league we're in, but we're stuck with 3 of them. Only Ross Hannah is anywhere near what we need. I have to admit that even if he has a bad game or two I do like Dawson he is the only player we have who looks to play the killer pass, most other players just play the safe pass, I also think his deliveries from corners and free kicks are superb he hardly ever wastes a delivery. All the time we had Rooney taking corners the number of times he failed to beat the first man, never happens with Dawson every ball is on the money, yes he lacks pace but if he had that he would be in the championship.
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Post by Cestrian1987 on Dec 10, 2017 19:12:52 GMT
He had a spell of about 2 or 3 matches when he upped his game, but generally he's poor. All 3 ex-Macclesfield players are massive disappointments. I bet they've come here for more money than they were on at Macclesfield. None of Jon McCarthy's 8 summer signings have looked like they deserve to be here next season whatever league we're in, but we're stuck with 3 of them. Only Ross Hannah is anywhere near what we need. I have to admit that even if he has a bad game or two I do like Dawson he is the only player we have who looks to play the killer pass, most other players just play the safe pass, I also think his deliveries from corners and free kicks are superb he hardly ever wastes a delivery. All the time we had Rooney taking corners the number of times he failed to beat the first man, never happens with Dawson every ball is on the money, yes he lacks pace but if he had that he would be in the championship. It happened yesterday
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Post by chesterken on Dec 10, 2017 19:37:31 GMT
I have to admit that even if he has a bad game or two I do like Dawson he is the only player we have who looks to play the killer pass, most other players just play the safe pass, I also think his deliveries from corners and free kicks are superb he hardly ever wastes a delivery. All the time we had Rooney taking corners the number of times he failed to beat the first man, never happens with Dawson every ball is on the money, yes he lacks pace but if he had that he would be in the championship. It happened yesterday The winning goal yesterday was as much down to the ball in for Astles to flick on and Hannah to finish it was flat with pace which took the keeper out he couldn’t come for it.
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Post by Hannibal on Dec 10, 2017 19:45:37 GMT
I have to admit that even if he has a bad game or two I do like Dawson he is the only player we have who looks to play the killer pass, most other players just play the safe pass, I also think his deliveries from corners and free kicks are superb he hardly ever wastes a delivery. All the time we had Rooney taking corners the number of times he failed to beat the first man, never happens with Dawson every ball is on the money, yes he lacks pace but if he had that he would be in the championship. It happened yesterday I always feel his free kicks are catching practice for opposing goalkeepers.
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Post by Cestrian1987 on Dec 10, 2017 20:03:30 GMT
The winning goal yesterday was as much down to the ball in for Astles to flick on and Hannah to finish it was flat with pace which took the keeper out he couldn’t come for it. I meant his corners mate
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Post by soulseal on Dec 10, 2017 20:43:05 GMT
Must admit I quite like the 5-3-2 formation. If we have yesterday’s 3 Centre half’s then we also have LRT as back up with Gough and HJ as wing half’s bombing forward, well OK occasionally going forward. In midfield I would play a triangle of Shaw, Dawson and Akintunde with Oduh/Archer and Hannah up front. Mahon, James, Bell and Lynch on the bench.
Feel more confident after yesterday for points in this arrangement, not because we are likely to light up a game with our creative play, but because it’s gives us a solid defensively arranged formation. Mind you if we play like we did against Dagenham any formation is pointless. 😳
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Post by Little Blue Boy on Dec 10, 2017 21:40:41 GMT
Dawson gives a fair amount away and sometimes goes backwards when there is no need, but I'm not entirely sure where our creativity comes from without him in the side?
Kingsley James is the biggest disappointment for me out of the signings we made. No pace, no mobility, doesn't get on the ball like he used to and I can count the amount of tackles he has made since he came back to us on one hand.
McCombe is a complete carthorse. James Jones just played for the first time at this level and looks levels above McCombe already. McCombe shouldn't be getting anywhere near the starting 11 if Jones and Anderson continue to perform even half as well as they did yesterday.
Hopefully Lynch was watching closely as well. Hornby streets ahead of him.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 21:59:38 GMT
I thought Halls was trying to get Christmas off! Silly challenges after being on a yellow.
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Post by tarvinblue on Dec 10, 2017 22:54:01 GMT
I thought Halls was trying to get Christmas off! Silly challenges after being on a yellow. He can quite happily have Christmas off and the rest of the season if he really fancies it.
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Post by jb on Dec 10, 2017 23:52:42 GMT
I wonder how John McCombe feels being put to shame by an 18 year old? Jones made more tackles yesterday than McCombe has all season. Jones had a baptism of fire yesterday and did well.
That Thomas was a nasty, dirty and awkward player yet Jones handled him well. The other lad for Solihull scored two past a defence which consisted of McCombe earlier in the season so it’s already Jones 1 McCombe 0.
From recent performances it is obvious that McCombe is here for a final pay day. He’s unfit, out of shape, lethargic and looks like he couldn’t care. Strip him of the captaincy and give it Astles. If we can loan him out to some Evo Stik team even better!
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Post by Rio Doherty on Dec 21, 2017 15:52:27 GMT
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