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Ian Rush
Feb 13, 2017 21:31:44 GMT
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Post by Rio Doherty on Feb 13, 2017 21:31:44 GMT
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Ian Rush
Feb 13, 2017 21:35:57 GMT
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Post by Matt on Feb 13, 2017 21:35:57 GMT
Just hearing his name sends shivers of his managerial time here and being under V as well the whole situation was one big circus especially the way V sacked Mark Aizlewood behind Rush's back.
It's scary to think Rush was one of Liverpool's all time best players but as a manager he didn't have one clue about the game!!
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Ian Rush
Feb 13, 2017 21:38:05 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Feb 13, 2017 21:38:05 GMT
Sounds like he's after the assistant managers job  |
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Ian Rush
Feb 13, 2017 21:47:41 GMT
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Post by Si on Feb 13, 2017 21:47:41 GMT
Haven't read that article yet, but christ he was one clueless gerb and I'd rather forget his time here.
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Ian Rush
Feb 13, 2017 22:37:26 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Feb 13, 2017 22:37:26 GMT
Is it just me that thinks he's judged a bit harshly? I'm sure there's a stat that he actually had the best record of any manager we had in League 2 under Vaughan. Plus he was the first manager to have to deal with the whole SVJ thing, and SV was still widely held as a legend at the time so he wasn't given the benefit of the doubt like other managers were.
The football we played under him was pretty wretched, he didn't come across well in interviews and I never really thought there was a manager in him, but he did enough to keep us up having taken on a side bottom of the league. It's easy to forget that he was offered the Wales job while managing us!
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Ian Rush
Feb 13, 2017 23:29:37 GMT
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Post by Zvonimir Boban on Feb 13, 2017 23:29:37 GMT
Is it just me that thinks he's judged a bit harshly? I'm sure there's a stat that he actually had the best record of any manager we had in League 2 under Vaughan. Plus he was the first manager to have to deal with the whole SVJ thing, and SV was still widely held as a legend at the time so he wasn't given the benefit of the doubt like other managers were. The football we played under him was pretty wretched, he didn't come across well in interviews and I never really thought there was a manager in him, but he did enough to keep us up having taken on a side bottom of the league. It's easy to forget that he was offered the Wales job while managing us! I think we went on a really good run very early in his reign which resulted in him being offered the Wales job. He turned it down, we never won again under him and he got sacked about 8 weeks later. Thats how I remember it anyway. You do wonder how things would have turned out for Rush and Wales had he took the job! |
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Post by border collie on Feb 14, 2017 0:48:58 GMT
none of the managers hired by Vaughan can be fairly judged as neither they ,or the players were getting paid
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Post by Dirge on Feb 14, 2017 7:57:26 GMT
Perhaps he was harshly judged, I still reckon he's one of the good guys. It was just so hard to reconcile that a guy who had played for most of his career at the very top level in one of the most exquisite footballing teams ever to have graced the English leagues was the same guy who stuck that complete mentalist Cortez Belle up front and then just launched massive hoofs from the back in his general direction. Honestly, I still shiver to think about it, Harry Bassett would have held his head in his hands at the filth we were playing. I remember he'd obviously taken his coaching training very seriously, he was prone to sticking posters on the changing room wall with statistical nonsense such as "53.7% win ratio" and "2.7 average goals from left handed strikers called Dave" or whatever. And I remember thinking "where did you learn that?" because when he was a player I bet Bob Paisley never did it, or Kenny Dalglish. Still, nice to know he still thinks of us.
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Post by Lobster on Feb 14, 2017 8:27:35 GMT
Perhaps he was harshly judged, I still reckon he's one of the good guys. It was just so hard to reconcile that a guy who had played for most of his career at the very top level in one of the most exquisite footballing teams ever to have graced the English leagues was the same guy who stuck that complete mentalist Cortez Belle up front and then just launched massive hoofs from the back in his general direction. Honestly, I still shiver to think about it, Harry Bassett would have held his head in his hands at the filth we were playing. I remember he'd obviously taken his coaching training very seriously, he was prone to sticking posters on the changing room wall with statistical nonsense such as "53.7% win ratio" and "2.7 average goals from left handed strikers called Dave" or whatever. And I remember thinking "where did you learn that?" because when he was a player I bet Bob Paisley never did it, or Kenny Dalglish. Still, nice to know he still thinks of us. I don't think his cause was helped by his assistant Mark Aizlewood, who seemed to be from a very old-fashioned school of lower league management, and seemed pretty unpopular within the game in general if I remember correctly. Rush was in his first managerial role and was still learning the ropes, so it's the experienced assistant that you'd hope would do a bit more than try to spoil games and lump it up to a rookie striker signed from Merthyr Tydfil. Rush wasn't a manager, as shown by the fact that he hasn't managed since, but if you look at his record, it really wasn't THAT bad. Our expectations were set way too high that season, and we hadn't realised yet what a menace Vaughan was. |
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Post by Hannibal on Feb 14, 2017 9:03:55 GMT
Haven't read that article yet, but christ he was one clueless gerb and I'd rather forget his time here. Definitely the best player we ever produced, but yes completely clueless as a manager. I remember being at the Reynolds Arena, Darlington and we were giving another inept display and the 100 or so fans there started chanting "Rush out". The fans had been very very tolerant up to that point, but enough was enough. He was gone later that week iirc. |
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Post by MOC on Feb 14, 2017 10:06:45 GMT
Perhaps he was harshly judged, I still reckon he's one of the good guys. It was just so hard to reconcile that a guy who had played for most of his career at the very top level in one of the most exquisite footballing teams ever to have graced the English leagues was the same guy who stuck that complete mentalist Cortez Belle up front and then just launched massive hoofs from the back in his general direction. Honestly, I still shiver to think about it, Harry Bassett would have held his head in his hands at the filth we were playing. I remember he'd obviously taken his coaching training very seriously, he was prone to sticking posters on the changing room wall with statistical nonsense such as "53.7% win ratio" and "2.7 average goals from left handed strikers called Dave" or whatever. And I remember thinking "where did you learn that?" because when he was a player I bet Bob Paisley never did it, or Kenny Dalglish. Still, nice to know he still thinks of us. I don't think his cause was helped by his assistant Mark Aizlewood, who seemed to be from a very old-fashioned school of lower league management, and seemed pretty unpopular within the game in general if I remember correctly. Rush was in his first managerial role and was still learning the ropes, so it's the experienced assistant that you'd hope would do a bit more than try to spoil games and lump it up to a rookie striker signed from Merthyr Tydfil. Rush wasn't a manager, as shown by the fact that he hasn't managed since, but if you look at his record, it really wasn't THAT bad. Our expectations were set way too high that season, and we hadn't realised yet what a menace Vaughan was. I heard from different sources close to the club at that time that Aizlewood had a huge influence during that regime, being at the very least joint manager in everything but name and having a big say in the turgid style of football. The way we played is probably one of the reasons Rush's reign is remembered far less fondly than Curle's, even though both started well before things went wrong. Some decent results along the way that are often forgotten though under Rush, winning at league leaders Scunthorpe and away at Sheffield Wednesday in the LDV for example. The 5-0 defeat at Shrewsbury really did for Rush, the Shrews being no better a side than us in my view at the time. After that it was always really just going to be a matter of time and there was a rather embarrassing episode where Vaughan basically told everyone he wanted to sack him from what I remember. |
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Post by Lobster on Feb 14, 2017 11:07:18 GMT
I don't think his cause was helped by his assistant Mark Aizlewood, who seemed to be from a very old-fashioned school of lower league management, and seemed pretty unpopular within the game in general if I remember correctly. Rush was in his first managerial role and was still learning the ropes, so it's the experienced assistant that you'd hope would do a bit more than try to spoil games and lump it up to a rookie striker signed from Merthyr Tydfil. Rush wasn't a manager, as shown by the fact that he hasn't managed since, but if you look at his record, it really wasn't THAT bad. Our expectations were set way too high that season, and we hadn't realised yet what a menace Vaughan was. I heard from different sources close to the club at that time that Aizlewood had a huge influence during that regime, being at the very least joint manager in everything but name and having a big say in the turgid style of football. The way we played is probably one of the reasons Rush's reign is remembered far less fondly than Curle's, even though both started well before things went wrong. Some decent results along the way that are often forgotten though under Rush, winning at league leaders Scunthorpe and away at Sheffield Wednesday in the LDV for example. The 5-0 defeat at Shrewsbury really did for Rush, the Shrews being no better a side than us in my view at the time. After that it was always really just going to be a matter of time and there was a rather embarrassing episode where Vaughan basically told everyone he wanted to sack him from what I remember. Yeah, it was something like Vaughan wanting Rush to resign, but he wouldn't leave without a payoff, and Vaughan wouldn't/couldn't pay it. Rush may not be the brightest but I imagine he has good advisors around him, and that was pretty terrible publicity for the club. One of many occasions where really we should have united against Vaughan much earlier than we did - it shouldn't have needed us to go down to the Conference and get a 25-point deduction for us to realise we were in trouble with him around. We also reached the 3rd round of the FA Cup under Rush and gave Bournemouth a decent game, and the New Year's Day win at Macc was pretty memorable as well. |
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Post by sir henry on Feb 14, 2017 13:03:58 GMT
The same comments could be made about Bobby Charlton. who was a failure at Preston and it goes to show that the most talented players often don't make good managers.
Sir Harry Mac didn't play football at any senior level to my knowledge, but what a great man and a manager,
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Post by poolepirate on Feb 14, 2017 13:23:17 GMT
if rushy thinks so much about the club how about him doing an event for the blues maybe"an evening with" ?
throw in a meal and a comedian in the legends lounge could be a good fund raiser
same applies to michael owen he could do a similar evening
as both rushy and michael live close to chester not as if they have far to travel and im sure it would be a sell out
i dont think we do enough of these type of events other clubs seem to do them on a regular basis
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Post by iandychesterfc on Feb 14, 2017 13:28:34 GMT
Given that in the modern era we struggle to find players give 2 s**ts about Chester it is nice to hear from someone who has a genuine affection for the club. I have met him and spoken to him though, so easier to say.
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Ian Rush
Feb 14, 2017 13:36:40 GMT
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Post by Zvonimir Boban on Feb 14, 2017 13:36:40 GMT
Given that in the modern era we struggle to find players give 2 s**ts about Chester it is nice to hear from someone who has a genuine affection for the club. I have met him and spoken to him though, so easier to say. I remember watching an interview with Ian Rush talking about his career. He said how much he enjoyed his time at Chester, he'd get the bus to the match with supporters and initially he didn't want to move to Liverpool as he was so happy playing for Chester! I'm sure that his experience with Vaughan probably soured it a bit but that was merely 8 years in our incredible history. |
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Post by iandychesterfc on Feb 14, 2017 13:38:53 GMT
Given that in the modern era we struggle to find players give 2 s**ts about Chester it is nice to hear from someone who has a genuine affection for the club. I have met him and spoken to him though, so easier to say. I remember watching an interview with Ian Rush talking about his career. He said how much he enjoyed his time at Chester, he'd get the bus to the match with supporters and initially he didn't want to move to Liverpool as he was so happy playing for Chester! I'm sure that his experience with Vaughan probably soured it a bit but that was merely 8 years in our incredible history. It hasn't in fairness to him. Definitely fingers burnt in terms of management and he feels he could have offered more given time (don't they all tbf) |
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Ian Rush
Feb 14, 2017 13:45:37 GMT
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Post by Zvonimir Boban on Feb 14, 2017 13:45:37 GMT
I remember watching an interview with Ian Rush talking about his career. He said how much he enjoyed his time at Chester, he'd get the bus to the match with supporters and initially he didn't want to move to Liverpool as he was so happy playing for Chester! I'm sure that his experience with Vaughan probably soured it a bit but that was merely 8 years in our incredible history. It hasn't in fairness to him. Definitely fingers burnt in terms of management and he feels he could have offered more given time (don't they all tbf) Glad to hear it. It would be ace if we could get him down for a "Sportsmans night" type of event. I'm sure it would appeal to both Chester and Liverpool fans and would surely raise a few quid. Just don't get "Lawro" to come with him.... |
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