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Post by MMc on Dec 26, 2017 18:51:26 GMT
I've read lots of opinions about the way forwards (or backwards) from here. What do people think we should do? I personally think we need some sort of financial injection, as crowds of 1600 on prime days are not sustainable under fan ownership. I'm interested to see what the majority of the fan base think???
Sadly there's been very little progression off the pitch ever since we made it to the conference. I really don't notice that a lot has happened sadly. I do appreciate what all the volunteers do for the club, but I honestly couldn't name one person on the board. Let alone what they have been doing.
Then when you add the shambles on the pitch too, there isn't much going for us for the passive fans.
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Post by devadiva on Dec 26, 2017 18:58:10 GMT
I've read lots of opinions about the way forwards (or backwards) from here. What do people think we should do? I personally think we need some sort of financial injection, as crowds of 1600 on prime days are not sustainable under fan ownership. I'm interested to see what the majority of the fan base think??? Sadly there's been very little progression off the pitch ever since we made it to the conference. I really don't notice that a lot has happened sadly. I do appreciate what all the volunteers do for the club, but I honestly couldn't name one person on the board. Let alone what they have been doing. Then when you add the shambles on the pitch too, there isn't much going for us for the passive fans. All of this assumes someone would be willing to invest. Where is the RoI in doing so? You also have to be a prize muppet to bail out a club for 49% of the shares - you’d not do that for less than a controlling share - because to effect any improvement you’d have to be able to force through the changes you wanted. |
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Post by tarvinblue on Dec 26, 2017 19:02:56 GMT
Would you want to invest for 49% and then allow this bunch of muppets to continue to make the decisions?
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Post by MMc on Dec 26, 2017 19:04:05 GMT
That is true. I'm not just assuming that an investor will stroll in... Although if I won the Euromillions I would invest  I'm not really clued up on the German fan ownership setup, but it even works in their top flight, having split ownership. To what ratio though, I don't know? |
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Post by gaz on Dec 26, 2017 19:22:34 GMT
invest implies there would be a return on any capital put in..... what is there to invest in?  the club owns nothing, every club in the country would like someone to walk in and give them money, it ain't going to happen. fan ownership can work but it needs FANS to put their money into it and as far as this club is concerned that is the problem, the fan base putting their hands in their pocket is diminishing and as such the financial situation is only going to get worse. |
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Post by paulie on Dec 26, 2017 19:32:20 GMT
The club is fucked either way. I have to agree. We will end up running this club to the ground, also a businessman owner would soon get sick of it and put us out our misery. |
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Post by richard on Dec 26, 2017 19:36:58 GMT
I've read lots of opinions about the way forwards (or backwards) from here. What do people think we should do? I personally think we need some sort of financial injection, as crowds of 1600 on prime days are not sustainable under fan ownership. I'm interested to see what the majority of the fan base think??? Sadly there's been very little progression off the pitch ever since we made it to the conference. I really don't notice that a lot has happened sadly. I do appreciate what all the volunteers do for the club, but I honestly couldn't name one person on the board. Let alone what they have been doing. Then when you add the shambles on the pitch too, there isn't much going for us for the passive fans. Whatever happens, I would never agree to sell, not even one percent. |
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Post by cfcforme on Dec 26, 2017 19:39:26 GMT
If anyone is willing to invest money in return for 49% of the club, they might as well just donate the money, which as far as I'm aware, there isn't anything stopping then doing that now.
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Post by gone4eva on Dec 26, 2017 20:00:45 GMT
What a stupid poll.
Do you understand how fan ownership works and what is causing current issues?!
We have some utter thickos following us.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2017 20:11:52 GMT
There's nothing for anybody to buy or even express any interest in.
At least, not yet because we're not in a position where we could remotely call ourselves a stable, financially sound, viable club where somebody could sensibly consider bidding £x for the club
I think we're stuck with the fan-owned model for some time longer.
Problem is, we're dabbling at it and have moved some distance away from the ethos and our very raison d'etre in the last few years.
Unless we find a way to get that back then topics like these will continue as nauseum
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Dec 26, 2017 20:25:41 GMT
Why must we have the same topic after every defeat. Unless you think we can sell the club to a private owner between now and Saturday, what's the point in threads like this?
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Post by gone4eva on Dec 26, 2017 20:25:55 GMT
we're dabbling at it and have moved some distance away from the ethos and our very raison d'etre in the last few years. Unless we find a way to get that back then topics like these will continue as nauseum Bang on |
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Post by league2 on Dec 26, 2017 20:26:10 GMT
Yes time for an owner with cash. fan owned does not work unless you get 5,000 crowds at this level
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Post by league2 on Dec 26, 2017 20:29:16 GMT
I'm afraid 100 fan owned fans won't support a club and that's about all that's running the club
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Dec 26, 2017 20:30:42 GMT
Yes time for an owner with cash. fan owned does not work unless you get 5,000 crowds at this level Fan-ownership for us will not work IF threads demanding we sell to investors keep appearing every time we lose a game. Clearly the problem with fan ownership is the attitude of the fans. |
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Post by Jack on Dec 26, 2017 20:37:50 GMT
It makes me laugh when I hear people talking about outside investment, like there's a queue of oligarchs waiting to get involved.
Fan-owned football clubs can, and do, work. It's just this current one seems to have lost any kind of community, inclusive ethos. If today was your first game and visit to the Deva, you would have had no idea whatsoever that we are a fan-owned club. It's something to celebrate and market, but no one seems arsed.
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Post by spencerwhelanleftpeg on Dec 26, 2017 20:48:20 GMT
Ok who reputable would by us? 1500 and dwindling gates not exactly large sums of money coming in from elsewhere.
A board and exec who have sucked the life out of the club through incompetence since April.
That really motivates fans doesn’t it.
We are short on fan numbers to make it work.
Why should fans invest when idiots can run us into the ground??
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Post by MMc on Dec 26, 2017 21:19:31 GMT
What a stupid poll. Do you understand how fan ownership works and what is causing current issues?! We have some utter thickos following us. Hmm, so stupid that the poll is roughly split 50/50 whether fans would want to sell a portion or not. I don't know what the obvious solution is to our problems, otherwise we would all just get on and resolve it. I can't say that I fully understand fan ownership, but if it was so fantastic would we be in this state? Similarly we could end up with another corrupt owner, and be in just as bad/worse place. Things look bleak unless something changes, whatever that may be. |
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Post by jb on Dec 26, 2017 21:26:45 GMT
It makes me laugh when I hear people talking about outside investment, like there's a queue of oligarchs waiting to get involved. Fan-owned football clubs can, and do, work. It's just this current one seems to have lost any kind of community, inclusive ethos. If today was your first game and visit to the Deva, you would have had no idea whatsoever that we are a fan-owned club. It's something to celebrate and market, but no one seems arsed. Spot on. Since Maguire rode into town on his horse the “Our club, our community” ethos has gone south. I want to see that South stand full with invitees from schools, local clubs etc. At the moment it’s bleed the same mugs dry week in week out. The club should be reaching into the community and also helping struggling families, the unemployed who’d love to go to the game etc. It feels like it does sod all apart from a few tweets. The club has lost its way big time and the slate needs to be wiped clean and the deadwood removed. |
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Dec 26, 2017 21:58:53 GMT
The ethos disappeared a long, long time before Maguire arrived.
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Post by MOC on Dec 27, 2017 8:57:48 GMT
Starting to notice a pretty clear split on social media between those adamant the fan-owned model doesn’t work and those who don’t want to see the club operate in any other way.
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Post by sirfred on Dec 27, 2017 9:07:48 GMT
What a stupid poll. Do you understand how fan ownership works and what is causing current issues?! We have some utter thickos following us. Is it more Stupid that the Brutus the Cat things you posted a while ago? |
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Post by rcm on Dec 27, 2017 9:22:54 GMT
It makes me laugh when I hear people talking about outside investment, like there's a queue of oligarchs waiting to get involved. Fan-owned football clubs can, and do, work. It's just this current one seems to have lost any kind of community, inclusive ethos. If today was your first game and visit to the Deva, you would have had no idea whatsoever that we are a fan-owned club. It's something to celebrate and market, but no one seems arsed. Spot on. Since Maguire rode into town on his horse the “Our club, our community” ethos has gone south. I want to see that South stand full with invitees from schools, local clubs etc. At the moment it’s bleed the same mugs dry week in week out. The club should be reaching into the community and also helping struggling families, the unemployed who’d love to go to the game etc. It feels like it does sod all apart from a few tweets. The club has lost its way big time and the slate needs to be wiped clean and the deadwood removed. I dont agree with some of the things you say,i think since Jim Green has been involved with the community side of the club, the work he and his team is moving forward again and im sure it will continue to grow.I dont know to much about Mr Maguire other than when we exchanged a few emails (he was very helpful),before i would lay the blame at his feet i would need to understand the scope of his job against the reality of it. As an example is he having to cover areas he shouldnt because we dont have the right resourses or skill sets which may take up his time and stop him focusing on his duties.History has shown us over the last few seasons we have tried to adopt different structures with the board to help the day to day running of the club.I dont know the detail and im reading between the lines a bit but that says to me we have gaps and we are trying to fix them.My position at the moment is because of our position its easier to aim it at one individual (who may have made mistakes) than try to understand and then fix the problem as the owners. |
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I'm not really clued up on the German fan ownership setup, but it even works in their top flight, having split ownership. To what ratio though, I don't know? 
the club owns nothing, every club in the country would like someone to walk in and give them money, it ain't going to happen. fan ownership can work but it needs FANS to put their money into it and as far as this club is concerned that is the problem, the fan base putting their hands in their pocket is diminishing and as such the financial situation is only going to get worse.
