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Post by Borderlands on Dec 26, 2017 19:51:17 GMT
McCarthy was sacked after 8 games with Chester on 7 points - an average of 0.875 points per game.
Bignot has now been given 17 games, and achieved 14 points - an average of 0.823 points per game.
McCarthy always protected his players, never being critical in the press, and he was ridiculed for this.
Bignot is often critical, and has now come out and said he doesn't know he is going to motivate them!!
Surely it's time for the Board to do the right thing, accept they got it wrong, accept Bignot's resignation and move on. We desperately need someone who can inspire and motivate this squad if we are to have half a chance of survival, Torquay have managed it from this position two seasons running, so all hope is not lost.
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Post by bonecrusher on Dec 26, 2017 19:54:20 GMT
Who says he is going to offer his resignation?
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Post by Borderlands on Dec 26, 2017 19:57:52 GMT
Wishfull thinking on my part!
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Post by Lobster on Dec 26, 2017 20:02:11 GMT
Not fair to directly compare the two. Bignot never got a summer and a generous budget to put his side together. He's inherited someone else's mess, and has so far failed to tidy it up.
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Post by tarvinblue on Dec 26, 2017 20:03:54 GMT
Not fair to directly compare the two. Bignot never got a summer and a generous budget to put his side together. He's inherited someone else's mess, and has so far failed to tidy it up. True, but what you can say is he's getting less out of this squad than JM was. I can't quite believe I'm writing that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2017 20:22:39 GMT
Getting close to "play off" form required to survive
Can't see it somehow
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Post by spencerwhelanleftpeg on Dec 26, 2017 20:41:10 GMT
Not wishing to be overly negative as it’s awful as it stands. It shows the dreadful state we are in as a club if 1600 is the best we can do for a Boxing Day fixture. That alone is awfully sad. Staying up now realistically isn’t going to happen. There is an air of content and resignation about MB and his interview today. Unfortunately it hasn’t worked out it seems. The displays recently suggest something is not great and there are too many non trying types for me. Due to awful decisions and poor management we are in a mess. Stopping that slide is in itself a big enough task. Perhaps we should start that process now and be ready for next season? Make no Mistake we need sorting out off the field as well as on it. I feel we need to start preparing now with a view to avoiding a slide through the leagues. Get some of this shite available and gone ASAP. We have to start thinking about the future now as staying up with this bunch isn’t viable
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Post by Lobster on Dec 26, 2017 23:34:55 GMT
I really don't want us to sack another manager.
We can't become one of those Leeds, Notts County, Oldham or, God forbid, Southport-type clubs that appoints a new manager every couple of months. Those clubs should be embarrassed because with every manager they sack, they're just wasting money and admitting that they're poor decision makers. If all these managers aren't good enough, where's the accountability for the people appointing them?
If you're genuinely thinking about appointing your third manager of the season and it's not even the end of December yet, it's likely that managers aren't really the problem. The problem is probably something deeper.
We're not going to stay up now whoever we appoint, so just get behind Bignot, I think. I know it hasn't worked out as we hoped, and he's looking a frustrated man who's out of ideas, but give him the rest of the season and see what sort of fist he makes of it. If it's not good enough, get rid of him then. The alternative is we sack him now, pay off his contract while also still paying McCarthy's, and also paying the wages of a third manager. And guess what? We'll still go down anyway.
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Dec 26, 2017 23:49:13 GMT
I really don't want us to sack another manager. We can't become one of those Leeds, Notts County, Oldham or, God forbid, Southport-type clubs that appoints a new manager every couple of months. Those clubs should be embarrassed because with every manager they sack, they're just wasting money and admitting that they're poor decision makers. If all these managers aren't good enough, where's the accountability for the people appointing them? If you're genuinely thinking about appointing your third manager of the season and it's not even the end of December yet, it's likely that managers aren't really the problem. The problem is probably something deeper. We're not going to stay up now whoever we appoint, so just get behind Bignot, I think. I know it hasn't worked out as we hoped, and he's looking a frustrated man who's out of ideas, but give him the rest of the season and see what sort of fist he makes of it. If it's not good enough, get rid of him then. The alternative is we sack him now, pay off his contract while also still paying McCarthy's, and also paying the wages of a third manager. And guess what? We'll still go down anyway. All good points but I don't see/want Bignot in charge next season and given that we're already down, he'd just be here going through the motions. At least with a new boss we could take a long term view and start looking ahead to the campaign in our new division. As you say, it would smack of there being a deeper problem with the club but we all know that anyway.
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Post by oldboneze on Dec 27, 2017 9:12:42 GMT
McCarthy was sacked after 8 games with Chester on 7 points - an average of 0.875 points per game. Bignot has now been given 17 games, and achieved 14 points - an average of 0.823 points per game.McCarthy always protected his players, never being critical in the press, and he was ridiculed for this. Bignot is often critical, and has now come out and said he doesn't know he is going to motivate them!! Surely it's time for the Board to do the right thing, accept they got it wrong, accept Bignot's resignation and move on. We desperately need someone who can inspire and motivate this squad if we are to have half a chance of survival, Torquay have managed it from this position two seasons running, so all hope is not lost. You have forgotten the Shaw inter-regnum of 3 games and 1 point. In the interest of fairness, Bignot has had 14 games and got 13 points - an average of 0.929 points. Better than McCarthy but not good enough to avoid the drop
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Post by bethnalblue on Dec 27, 2017 11:45:30 GMT
Yeah but McCarthy won at Aldershot......
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Post by Hannibal on Dec 27, 2017 12:39:26 GMT
McCarthy was sacked after 8 games with Chester on 7 points - an average of 0.875 points per game. B ignot has now been given 17 games, and achieved 14 points - an average of 0.823 points per game. McCarthy always protected his players, never being critical in the press, and he was ridiculed for this. Bignot is often critical, and has now come out and said he doesn't know he is going to motivate them!! Surely it's time for the Board to do the right thing, accept they got it wrong, accept Bignot's resignation and move on. We desperately need someone who can inspire and motivate this squad if we are to have half a chance of survival, Torquay have managed it from this position two seasons running, so all hope is not lost. I think 3 of those games were under the caretaker managership of Tom Shaw which resulted in one draw and 2 (heavy) defeats. Bignot has 13 points from 14 games which is 0.93 ppg. Still not good enough though. Even with this bunch of no-hopers you get the feeling that someone like Askey would have got them playing with shape and doing the basics correctly.
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