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Post by bluboy79 on Dec 27, 2017 19:39:16 GMT
Next season in Conference North we need to revert to fully part time status, no CEO, no Tony Allen, full clearout of coaching staff and players barring a couple. Proper honest part time lads need bringing in tall strong fit lads who will play for the shirt and fans. I think crowds will be around 1300-1400 unless we're near top , no budgeting for 2000 gates again. Fans will return if we start rebuilding and actually win a few games. On the subject of the board we do need fresh people and ideas but can't see where these are coming from. Some of the early board members would be ideal even if just for a season to get us going but would they be up for a return ? Being in a lower division will give us a bit of breathing space financially as we should be competitive if run properly !
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Post by boughtonblue on Dec 27, 2017 19:59:20 GMT
Next season in Conference North we need to revert to fully part time status, no CEO, no Tony Allen, full clearout of coaching staff and players barring a couple. Proper honest part time lads need bringing in tall strong fit lads who will play for the shirt and fans. I think crowds will be around 1300-1400 unless we're near top , no budgeting for 2000 gates again. Fans will return if we start rebuilding and actually win a few games. On the subject of the board we do need fresh people and ideas but can't see where these are coming from. Some of the early board members would be ideal even if just for a season to get us going but would they be up for a return ? Being in a lower division will give us a bit of breathing space financially as we should be competitive if run properly ! I heard worse ideas. The league at all costs approach seems to have lost its gloss.
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Post by gezzer on Dec 28, 2017 9:51:20 GMT
Next season in Conference North we need to revert to fully part time status, no CEO, no Tony Allen, full clearout of coaching staff and players barring a couple. Proper honest part time lads need bringing in tall strong fit lads who will play for the shirt and fans. I think crowds will be around 1300-1400 unless we're near top , no budgeting for 2000 gates again. Fans will return if we start rebuilding and actually win a few games. On the subject of the board we do need fresh people and ideas but can't see where these are coming from. Some of the early board members would be ideal even if just for a season to get us going but would they be up for a return ? Being in a lower division will give us a bit of breathing space financially as we should be competitive if run properly ! I heard worse ideas. The league at all costs approach seems to have lost its gloss. Couple of points: Money to pay off all the contracts? No CEO/Secretary. Remember Ben Heneghan fiasco, shirt ordering fiasco. Both of these if avoided would have given us the money to be comfortable in this league now. Where are all these tall. strong fit lads who will play for the shirt? Why aren't they available now If run properly? we still have the same ever dwindling pot of CFU members to choose a board from so highly unlikely Other points to note: If we were ever to unearth another Sam Hughes do you think anyone would pay a 6 figure sum for a conference North player? What happens IF we were to get promoted again, do we start all over again ie FT status, bring in NL type players, manager etc Why do a large number of our fans always clamour for "Yesterday" bring back Graham Barrow, Ross Hannah, old board members etc Imagine what could happen if we had some vision and worked smarter, had a proper plan, looked forward, speculate to accumulate.......
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Post by gezzer on Dec 28, 2017 9:55:32 GMT
On my last point, can see it now and would probably happen. We would bring back Neil Young, George Horan, Michael Wilde etc But I will warn again, unless we sort out the off field mess first we will suffer back to back relegation and disappear altogether as quickly as we returned
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Post by puffthemagicdragon on Dec 28, 2017 10:30:45 GMT
I heard worse ideas. The league at all costs approach seems to have lost its gloss. Couple of points: Money to pay off all the contracts? No CEO/Secretary. Remember Ben Heneghan fiasco, shirt ordering fiasco. Both of these if avoided would have given us the money to be comfortable in this league now. Where are all these tall. strong fit lads who will play for the shirt? Why aren't they available now If run properly? we still have the same ever dwindling pot of CFU members to choose a board from so highly unlikely Other points to note: If we were ever to unearth another Sam Hughes do you think anyone would pay a 6 figure sum for a conference North player? What happens IF we were to get promoted again, do we start all over again ie FT status, bring in NL type players, manager etc Why do a large number of our fans always clamour for "Yesterday" bring back Graham Barrow, Ross Hannah, old board members etc Imagine what could happen if we had some vision and worked smarter, had a proper plan, looked forward, speculate to accumulate.......
Interesting you mention Vision as I have no idea what our Vision is currently. If we go down I think the supporters/owners need to buy into a clear Vision for what we want our club to look like, and I say 'we' because right now what is happening with our club seems to be driven by a small number of people. And that Vision may not extend to being a full time club in the Football League, but one which is really focused on the community first, and any success on the field great to have but not the main driver here. And at the very least a team of players playing for the supporters, with a passion for the club and its values - even if we lose but the team played their hearts out who would not applaud that? And who right now sees any of this within the team or indeed the Board others 'running' the Club. We are rudderless and passionless - think back to when we reformed, that is how it could be again but then we had a Vision, now we have something which has been hijacked and the reason so many of us are unhappy right now is that we dont recognize our Club anymore!
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Post by rcb on Dec 28, 2017 12:47:35 GMT
I heard worse ideas. The league at all costs approach seems to have lost its gloss. Couple of points: Money to pay off all the contracts? No CEO/Secretary. Remember Ben Heneghan fiasco, shirt ordering fiasco. Both of these if avoided would have given us the money to be comfortable in this league now. Where are all these tall. strong fit lads who will play for the shirt? Why aren't they available now If run properly? we still have the same ever dwindling pot of CFU members to choose a board from so highly unlikely Other points to note: If we were ever to unearth another Sam Hughes do you think anyone would pay a 6 figure sum for a conference North player? What happens IF we were to get promoted again, do we start all over again ie FT status, bring in NL type players, manager etc Why do a large number of our fans always clamour for "Yesterday" bring back Graham Barrow, Ross Hannah, old board members etc Imagine what could happen if we had some vision and worked smarter, had a proper plan, looked forward, speculate to accumulate.......
In my opinion we had by far the best squad of players in the season we won the Conference North. We lost many because they had employment commitments outside of football which included not being available for National travel instead of Regional. We lost a great source of quality players by placing heavier demands and expectations on players at the club. I firmly believe we have a much less qualitative and committed squad today. In essence, how we have survived so long in this league is a mystery to me. We have tried to pretend we are one of the big boys, but have in reality only employed Big Time Charlies as players, managers and CEO. Relegation will re-open access to quality young and hungry part time players. Hope this answers your question.
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Post by bluboy79 on Dec 28, 2017 19:28:51 GMT
Ben Heneghan fiasco was down to Tony Allen even though club tried to blame Steve Burr, clearing out the dead wood is vital or we'll just carry on falling ! We haven't signed decent players because we don't have any scouts and we have had Mcarthy signing them ....probably one of our worst ever managers! Players are out there lots of clubs much smaller than ours scout, sign, improve and sell on players. We just need to look, better to have some of the better part time players at club rather than have the absolute dregs of the full time game !
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Post by ivawhopper on Dec 28, 2017 19:35:54 GMT
General anger man. Let’s focus on staying up this season before worrying about next. I get all the doom and gloom, but dash it all, let’s be less fiat pinto and a bit more flymo for goodness sake.
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Post by boughtonblue on Dec 28, 2017 19:38:36 GMT
I heard worse ideas. The league at all costs approach seems to have lost its gloss. Couple of points: Money to pay off all the contracts? No CEO/Secretary. Remember Ben Heneghan fiasco, shirt ordering fiasco. Both of these if avoided would have given us the money to be comfortable in this league now. Where are all these tall. strong fit lads who will play for the shirt? Why aren't they available now If run properly? we still have the same ever dwindling pot of CFU members to choose a board from so highly unlikely Other points to note: If we were ever to unearth another Sam Hughes do you think anyone would pay a 6 figure sum for a conference North player? What happens IF we were to get promoted again, do we start all over again ie FT status, bring in NL type players, manager etc Why do a large number of our fans always clamour for "Yesterday" bring back Graham Barrow, Ross Hannah, old board members etc Imagine what could happen if we had some vision and worked smarter, had a proper plan, looked forward, speculate to accumulate.......
Didn't we sell Sarcevic for about £100,000 when we were in the Conference North? We have seen that our budget buys a great part team but bang average (at best) full time players. Regional leagues are better for away travel etc. We attract a more family orientated fan base as in the earlier years of our reformation. It sounds better the more you think of it.
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Post by Mean Machine on Dec 30, 2017 0:11:07 GMT
I think the club would need to consider its position very carefully before going back to part time players I seem to remember Bignot saying seven of the clubs in conference north are full time, and these are largely the teams at the top end of the table Just because our current crop of full time players are crap dosnt mean all full time players are crap, and part timers are better We need to improve the commercial side of the club to give us the funds to aquire better quality players
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Dec 30, 2017 11:59:54 GMT
What we need, is to stay full time, but to recruit young ,, hungry players, who have the physicality to cope with the demands of this league and the conference. Players under the age of 25, with possible sell on value, from the lower leagues (Astle's), possible descarded by academies. (Hennegan, Alabi) and those from our own youth set up.(Sam Hughes, Jones). Build a team around the likes of Jones and Archer and discard, as quickly as possible, those past their sell by date, whoose only concern, is one last pay day.
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Post by rcb on Dec 30, 2017 13:20:42 GMT
Any ability to be a long term good footballer requires the three A’s - a need to be athletic, ambitious, and astute. With the paltry wages we have on offer it is insufficient to attract players with such qualities. Dead end players, with dead end ambition are attracted by dead end incomes. This includes the final pay-day brigade. That’s what low wage full-time football attracts. By opening up recruitment to part-time footballers so we open ourselves up to players with the necessary qualities, including plasterers! There isn’t the phrase “you get what you pay for” for nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 18:03:20 GMT
Guiseley, Halifax, Fylde - main difference? All their players could run. All athletes. Look through our squad...
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Post by billyw on Dec 30, 2017 20:26:04 GMT
It's a bit concerning that the bottom two teams in the National League North were in the our league last season.
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Dec 31, 2017 8:43:57 GMT
Its a tough league, but not for an experienced manager, who knows non-league. Take a look at Billy Heath, at Halifax. However, it will need a complete cull of this years dross. If that man is Bignot, remains to be seen?
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Post by Wortleyblue on Dec 31, 2017 10:00:15 GMT
It's a bit concerning that the bottom two teams in the National League North were in the our league last season. I must admit I'm surprised by Southport's demise although I suspect North Ferriby have limited resources and evo stick is probably their level. If we do drop this year (which is probably the case) I think we will need a couple of seasons of consolidation and then push on with hopefully a return to league football being a realistic target by 2025. That said to achieve this we need a strong board that can make this happen but most of all we the supporters must be behind the club all the time through good and bad
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 10:14:05 GMT
Its a tough league, but not for an experienced manager, who knows non-league. Take a look at Billy Heath, at Halifax. However, it will need a complete cull of this years dross. If that man is Bignot, remains to be seen? Phil Parkinson at Altrincham?
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Post by chesterken on Dec 31, 2017 13:02:52 GMT
It's a bit concerning that the bottom two teams in the National League North were in the our league last season. I must admit I'm surprised by Southport's demise although I suspect North Ferriby have limited resources and evo stick is probably their level. If we do drop this year (which is probably the case) I think we will need a couple of seasons of consolidation and then push on with hopefully a return to league football being a realistic target by 2025. That said to achieve this we need a strong board that can make this happen but most of all we the supporters must be behind the club all the time through good and bad Good sensible post Wortleyblue this forum is making for a real depressing place to visit at the moment, it’s full of people who are showing about as much fight and enthusiasm as some of the players on the pitch. We need to make our minds up if we are going to up the support in an effort to try and mount a great escape or accept we are going down and plan for next season, this continued sniping and bitching at everything Chester will do no one any good will damage any hope of future recovery ,rant over I am going for a lie down in a dark room. Happy New Year Blues😀
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Post by oldnotdecrepit on Dec 31, 2017 13:25:06 GMT
We’ve 60 points to fight for. Let’s not just cave in even if the players have appeared to!
I want us to stay up! Financially important and we can regroup/reorganise still before next season. Please let’s focus on staying up at least for a little while longer......
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