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Post by Designer on Dec 28, 2017 16:10:58 GMT
It seems that a "white knight" in the form of Simon Olorenshaw has publicly offered his services to help out in our current predicament. Has this guy suddenly become a football tactician that can motivate and instill confidence on the field to a bunch of professional footballers? It is risible to suggest that this would help in any way. Simon, for whatever reason walked away from the club after a relatively short time for a board chairman and he should continue to support the club by paying at the turnstiles and leave it at that.
The main duty of a Board of Directors in any business is to plan the medium and long term strategy and hold to account those who execute the tactics to achieve the goals of the business. Clearly this has not happened over the last few years, and much has been written on this forum suggesting the reasons for the failure. It may be that the hybrid inverted form of board governance that is employed at CFC will need a good coat of looking at what ever happens at the end of this season.
However, we all know that this is not the priority now, the deck chairs don't need rearranging, we need to avoid relegation at all costs. Any resources that are available should be used exclusively for the playing side: cash for good loan players in January, football nous on a consultancy basis for Marcus Bignot, that he would have to accept given his depressing interview after the Guiseley game. It is imperative that acceptance of failure this season is not allowed to permeate the club at any level.
In conclusion, any business knows that the customer should not be blamed for the failures of the business.
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Post by gone4eva on Dec 28, 2017 16:12:42 GMT
Must be fake news as its often said the current board are a load of hard done by volunteers made up of the finest experts in their fields, and there would literally be no one else to step up if needed.
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Post by spencerwhelanleftpeg on Dec 28, 2017 16:50:32 GMT
There is clearly a culture within the hierarchy of our club. Presumably why Simon left in the first instance? There is surely nothing wrong in coming forward to offer help?
He more than most will know the goings on internally and one assumes it’s the state that the current regime have allowed us to get into which has resulted in Simon’s letter.
You have to assume that he cares about our club and is alarmed with the direction we are currently heading in.
There is nothing within his letter which is unreasonable imo.
What is unreasonable is the way that the stubborn few have made a good fist about destroying our club.
The facts are there they need to be accountable and replaced.
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Post by paulinem on Dec 28, 2017 16:51:16 GMT
This thread sums up the big problem at Chester FC right now! Big splits in opinion and fanbase and some fear hidden agendas too!
If someone who appeared to be leading from the front wants to come back on board then what’s the problem???
On Saturday I parked my car and walked to turnstile in East Stand snd there was not one programne seller in sight. And the usual person inside was missing too. It has been obvious since the start of the season we have lost a lot of volunteers but we don’t hear any appeals for more.
Why don’t we collect money in the Blues Bar these days???
If someone doesn’t start getting a grip of the basics and these missing income streams then I would personally welcome anyone to help sort it out.
The current Board we know are trying hard but with such basic things being ignored what hope have we to turn things round???
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Dec 28, 2017 17:02:07 GMT
White knights no, but people that can offer some strategic planning. Yes.
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Dec 28, 2017 17:04:00 GMT
White knights no, but people that can offer some strategic planning. Yes. Just a board bright enough to see the blindingly obvious would be a start. |
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Post by kyle on Dec 28, 2017 17:16:17 GMT
All this nonsense about SO riding to the rescue is just a diversion away from the real issue of our manager needing to be replaced immediately. That isn't the issue. We could bring in Guadiola as manager, but it's no use if the club itself is being run into the ground |
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Dec 28, 2017 17:21:53 GMT
You could replace the manager, but Sir Alex Ferguson would struggle to motivate this gang of wasters.
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Post by oldnotdecrepit on Dec 28, 2017 17:34:45 GMT
It seems that a "white knight" in the form of Simon Olorenshaw has publicly offered his services to help out in our current predicament. Has this guy suddenly become a football tactician that can motivate and instill confidence on the field to a bunch of professional footballers? It is risible to suggest that this would help in any way. Simon, for whatever reason walked away from the club after a relatively short time for a board chairman and he should continue to support the club by paying at the turnstiles and leave it at that. The main duty of a Board of Directors in any business is to plan the medium and long term strategy and hold to account those who execute the tactics to achieve the goals of the business. Clearly this has not happened over the last few years, and much has been written on this forum suggesting the reasons for the failure. It may be that the hybrid inverted form of board governance that is employed at CFC will need a good coat of looking at what ever happens at the end of this season. However, we all know that this is not the priority now, the deck chairs don't need rearranging, we need to avoid relegation at all costs. Any resources that are available should be used exclusively for the playing side: cash for good loan players in January, football nous on a consultancy basis for Marcus Bignot, that he would have to accept given his depressing interview after the Guiseley game. It is imperative that acceptance of failure this season is not allowed to permeate the club at any level. In conclusion, any business knows that the customer should not be blamed for the failures of the business. Very, very interesting post. However we are a Football club and we need to address the players performance First and foremost and work behind the scenes later. Let’s secure our status first and then we’ll know what kind of provision is required. Am fed up of the “no one could motivate these players” when the correct take is Bignot can’t motivate these players. They are experienced professionals who would do better if organised, coached and led by a decent manager. Not saying they’ll motor up the league but I think with the right managerial strategies this bunch could do better. It’s no coincidence that they’ve ALL plummeted!Not one player exempt from criticism, but we’ve all commented on the Bignot Bingo with selection, ridiculous line ups and weird substitutions. Let’s get the playing side right as the only priority then look at where we’re going to be next season. |
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Dec 28, 2017 17:57:59 GMT
Completely disagree. All McCarthy's signings to a man are either past their 'sell by date'., Chronically injury prone or simply not goid enogh.( Some fall into more than one category)>
If there are not shipped out we will finish, in 24th place.
You could play 5-3-2 or 4-4-2, but if the midfield is too slow to close down and there is zero creativity, in the team, whoever you got in to manage them would fare little better.
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Post by billyw on Dec 28, 2017 17:58:45 GMT
The last post is sensibly put. This season and last, our collapse has been because McCarthy and Bignot have been disastrous appointments and the players they've signed and tactical awareness they've displayed have shown neither have the nous nor intelligence required for management at this level. Highlighting the fact nobody is selling programmes or that nobody is advertising home matches is just masking the real issue in the here and now, which is that the playing staff need leading with clear, simple direction and strong motivation. Bignot needs sacking now. We mustn't let the board fiddle while Rome burns, like we did last season and the start of this with McCarthy. Agreed. While there may be a lot of things wrong at the club the priority must be to get the team playing to their capabilities and Bignot is unable to do that. |
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Post by shango on Dec 28, 2017 18:08:49 GMT
only snag is that there's no cash to get rid of one manager and employ yet another and were stuck with the same crap squad that dont look interested or are just incapable....oh yeah and i forgot,no one would have any faith in the board appointing the new boss anyway.
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Post by paulinem on Dec 28, 2017 20:17:09 GMT
Just to make my point clear! While I know that in our current plight the lack of programme sellers is trivial in the grand scheme of things but it is symptomatic of how a lot of us are seeing things. My comment was made in relation to Simon Olorenshaw returning. He demonstrated good leadership in his short term as Chair. We need someone to support the Board and get a grip of these things. High in prioriity must be to stop us losing money we should be collecting automatically which is desperately needed to build a good team! (Look after the pennies and the pounds will look after themselves after all???.) If we don’t manage our affairs off the pitch in a professional manner then we will never have a good team!
To the great band of volunteers this is a recognition that more help is needed fast - and not a criticism. But please communicate with us fans as to what help is needed please!
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Post by pjshayman on Dec 28, 2017 20:49:31 GMT
Being a Halifax fan of many years standing I would say that your team are suffering from being managed by a manager with very little understanding of man management and motivation, having experienced this poor standard of management at our club at varies times over the years, but some of your players are good enough and with good leadership you could finish mid table (as i hope Halifax will
But in all the years i have followed Halifax i have never before witnessed a manager "hitting his players" during a break in play, if i had been a member of your board your manager would have left the club within ten minutes of the final whistle, But saying that i wish you all the best for the rest of the season,keep the faith and support the team.
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Post by happyclapper52 on Dec 29, 2017 16:59:45 GMT
It seems that a "white knight" in the form of Simon Olorenshaw has publicly offered his services to help out in our current predicament. Has this guy suddenly become a football tactician that can motivate and instill confidence on the field to a bunch of professional footballers? It is risible to suggest that this would help in any way. Simon, for whatever reason walked away from the club after a relatively short time for a board chairman and he should continue to support the club by paying at the turnstiles and leave it at that. The main duty of a Board of Directors in any business is to plan the medium and long term strategy and hold to account those who execute the tactics to achieve the goals of the business. Clearly this has not happened over the last few years, and much has been written on this forum suggesting the reasons for the failure. It may be that the hybrid inverted form of board governance that is employed at CFC will need a good coat of looking at what ever happens at the end of this season. However, we all know that this is not the priority now, the deck chairs don't need rearranging, we need to avoid relegation at all costs. Any resources that are available should be used exclusively for the playing side: cash for good loan players in January, football nous on a consultancy basis for Marcus Bignot, that he would have to accept given his depressing interview after the Guiseley game. It is imperative that acceptance of failure this season is not allowed to permeate the club at any level. In conclusion, any business knows that the customer should not be blamed for the failures of the business. You make some valid points but wecall know that individual"white knights" ar mot the long term answer.However people like Simon, Mark Howells and Banksy plus previouscISA stalwarts should be welcomed with open arms if we are to develop. Note that you are a " New Member" so where have you been hiding as you could obviously contribute. The phrase " all hands to the pump" is appropriate as we have a non performing team, no comms with fans and no marketing strategy to support the longer term. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2017 17:06:36 GMT
Being a Halifax fan of many years standing I would say that your team are suffering from being managed by a manager with very little understanding of man management and motivation, having experienced this poor standard of management at our club at varies times over the years, but some of your players are good enough and with good leadership you could finish mid table (as i hope Halifax will But in all the years i have followed Halifax i have never before witnessed a manager "hitting his players" during a break in play, if i had been a member of your board your manager would have left the club within ten minutes of the final whistle, But saying that i wish you all the best for the rest of the season,keep the faith and support the team. From his 1st match, he's tried to make it all about him. From post game huddles with him as the focal point in the early matches, to a Mourinho like sprint down the touchline for a late winner a few games later. Next, it was him baiting home fans as we took the lead against 10 men at Leyton Orient before being pegged back to a draw. The latest saw him slapping some shell shocked faces at Halifax before blaming the 'environment' this week for players' lack of confidence v Guiseley. A cocktail of narcissism mixed with stupidity does not a good manager make. I bet it makes a great interview though, doesn't it Mr. Maguire. Can somebody please confirm whether this actually happened 'cos I didn't see it? |
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Post by oldnotdecrepit on Dec 29, 2017 17:53:11 GMT
Being a Halifax fan of many years standing I would say that your team are suffering from being managed by a manager with very little understanding of man management and motivation, having experienced this poor standard of management at our club at varies times over the years, but some of your players are good enough and with good leadership you could finish mid table (as i hope Halifax will But in all the years i have followed Halifax i have never before witnessed a manager "hitting his players" during a break in play, if i had been a member of your board your manager would have left the club within ten minutes of the final whistle, But saying that i wish you all the best for the rest of the season,keep the faith and support the team. From his 1st match, he's tried to make it all about him. From post game huddles with him as the focal point in the early matches, to a Mourinho like sprint down the touchline for a late winner a few games later. Next, it was him baiting home fans as we took the lead against 10 men at Leyton Orient before being pegged back to a draw. The latest saw him slapping some shell shocked faces at Halifax before blaming the 'environment' this week for players' lack of confidence v Guiseley. A cocktail of narcissism mixed with stupidity does not a good manager make. I bet it makes a great interview though, doesn't it Mr. Maguire... Two very good posts. Why can’t the Board see this? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2017 17:57:08 GMT
The Halifax keeper went down injured at 2-0 and Bignot called the team to the dugout while he was being treated, giving a slap to a couple of the players. All done for the benefit of those watching, rather than the players themselves. Thirty seconds later, bingo, it was 3-0. A factor, even sub-consciously, in the performance Vs Guiseley perhaps?? |
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Post by Captain Duff on Dec 29, 2017 18:30:25 GMT
Two very good posts. Why can’t the Board see this? Because it is based on biased opinions that lack substance, much like your own. |
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Post by oldnotdecrepit on Dec 29, 2017 22:16:01 GMT
Two very good posts. Why can’t the Board see this? Because it is based on biased opinions that lack substance, much like your own. Happy New Year to you. Let’s hope in 2018 you understand a message board is for sharing opinions, not just agreeing with yours 👍😜. |
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