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Post by southernblue on Jan 1, 2018 13:10:18 GMT
Players at our level do not have the skill and sophistication required to play anything other than straightforward formations.
Why does one manager after another fail to see this? Our great little run under McCarthy was when we played 4-4-2 and then he abandoned this simplicity then doggedly refused to change when 5-3-2 or 4-5-1 wasn't working.
Now we are seeing the same meddling by MB with formations that don't work. Let's have 4-4-2.
As the saying goes, keep it simple stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2018 13:29:39 GMT
To defend Bignot a little bit, to really make the most of 4-4-2 you need 2 full backs and 2 wingers.
Such was the state of the squad Macca built in the summer we could only have done this with Halls, LRT, Chapell and Mahon (when fit) and that doesn't bare thinking about. That was it, we were heavy on central midfielders and forward players but no one to offer any width.
Bignot has brought in Gough and Hall-Johnson who are decent, classic full backs. Mahon is in and out and Chapell was shipped out leaving us no width in attack. That is where Bignot has failed in his dealings imo, inability to bring in wide players, but that could just be down to that type of player not being available.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2018 14:57:30 GMT
I think our biggest problem is the mobility in the squad. The manager seems to be worried that it would leave us exposed at the back, as our lack of athletes is alarming.
I would always play 4-4-2, with two banks not necessarily wide either. This would aid us getting up the pitch with the ball, something we simply cannot do. We go long out of the back constantly, never pick up any second ball, and have to rely on restarts to get us in the opposition half. Abysmal to watch, and gives abysmal results.
It is not as though 5 at the back stops us conceding is it?
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Post by southernblue on Jan 6, 2018 23:18:23 GMT
Did we finally revert to a sensible 4-4-2 today?
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Post by dmcnally on Jan 6, 2018 23:57:05 GMT
Did we finally revert to a sensible 4-4-2 today? Yep and looked solid defensively. Great away performance. |
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Post by southernblue on Jan 7, 2018 0:12:05 GMT
Did we finally revert to a sensible 4-4-2 today? Yep and looked solid defensively. Great away performance. Great, it's not rocket science, I know we have not had the best availability of players to suit 4-4-2, but I would prefer that we stick to the system from now. McCarthy's departure from it was the beginning of his downfall. |
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jan 7, 2018 8:25:44 GMT
Couldn't work out who was playing where in that midfield as we had four central midfielders - unless it was the diamond we used at Tranmere?
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Post by Harry Lime on Jan 7, 2018 8:39:26 GMT
Couldn't work out who was playing where in that midfield as we had four central midfielders - unless it was the diamond we used at Tranmere? Didn't go yesterday, but at Guiseley we played Dawson right, Turnbull and Halls central and James left. Presume Shaw came in central as Halls dropped to centre half. Makes us solid if nothing else. |
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Post by Hannibal on Jan 7, 2018 8:47:06 GMT
All hail 4 4 2.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jan 7, 2018 8:48:26 GMT
Couldn't work out who was playing where in that midfield as we had four central midfielders - unless it was the diamond we used at Tranmere? Didn't go yesterday, but at Guiseley we played Dawson right, Turnbull and Halls central and James left. Presume Shaw came in central as Halls dropped to centre half. Makes us solid if nothing else. Didn't go either but fair enough. Suppose it works away from home but at home we need to be more adventurous. Unfortunately we don't have any wingers! |
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Post by dmcnally on Jan 7, 2018 22:42:32 GMT
Didn't go yesterday, but at Guiseley we played Dawson right, Turnbull and Halls central and James left. Presume Shaw came in central as Halls dropped to centre half. Makes us solid if nothing else. Didn't go either but fair enough. Suppose it works away from home but at home we need to be more adventurous. Unfortunately we don't have any wingers! We had James on the left and Dawson right. We are crying out for a couple of wingers though. |
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Post by everhopeful on Jan 8, 2018 2:08:20 GMT
Didn't go either but fair enough. Suppose it works away from home but at home we need to be more adventurous. Unfortunately we don't have any wingers! We had James on the left and Dawson right. We are crying out for a couple of wingers though.What's up with Mahon? Thought he was coming back - now not even on the bench? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 8:49:58 GMT
We had James on the left and Dawson right. We are crying out for a couple of wingers though.What's up with Mahon? Thought he was coming back - now not even on the bench? A great talent and a fantastic man and servant at the club, but the financial position we are in means we simply cannot afford to be sentimental. I read somewhere that Mahons contract was reliant on him being fit? As long as we are not paying somebody to sit in the stands. |
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Post by dmcnally on Jan 8, 2018 12:16:35 GMT
We had James on the left and Dawson right. We are crying out for a couple of wingers though.What's up with Mahon? Thought he was coming back - now not even on the bench? I got into the ground at Ebbsfleet at 2 and he was running up and down the line with a coach in what looked like a late fitness test. Those 5 minutes at Guiseley must have really tired him out. Probably picked up a few injuries in that time too. |
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Post by Si on Jan 8, 2018 13:19:41 GMT
Didn't go either but fair enough. Suppose it works away from home but at home we need to be more adventurous. Unfortunately we don't have any wingers! We had James on the left and Dawson right. We are crying out for a couple of wingers though. This is one of the main reasons we'll go down in my opinion. We might be able to grind out a gritty away win from time to time like Saturday but consistently playing two centre midfielders on the left and right wing will not yield any sort of consistency in terms of results. It certainly won't help us at home, when the onus is on us to take the ball and ask questions of teams. If Mahon can get any sort of fitness then we should start him on the left and probablyto stick Aki on the right as he's the only other person who can do a job there (don't get me started on Chappell!). |
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Post by southernblue on Jan 8, 2018 14:37:54 GMT
We had James on the left and Dawson right. We are crying out for a couple of wingers though. This is one of the main reasons we'll go down in my opinion. We might be able to grind out a gritty away win from time to time like Saturday but consistently playing two centre midfielders on the left and right wing will not yield any sort of consistency in terms of results. It certainly won't help us at home, when the onus is on us to take the ball and ask questions of teams. If Mahon can get any sort of fitness then we should start him on the left and probablyto stick Aki on the right as he's the only other person who can do a job there (don't get me started on Chappell!). I would go with Aki on the right wing provides Hannah and White were fit enough to be up front, same with having Mahon on the left wing but that's if he can answer a massive question about his fitness and regain form, doubt he will be able to do 90 minutes for quite a while. See Mahon more as an impact sub when fit. |
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Post by Jack on Jan 8, 2018 20:49:17 GMT
Yep, Akintunde should move to the wing in home games. He's a good player, stronger on the ball than most and crucially should offer us a bit of width.
Hannah and Archer up front showed against Barrow what a handful they could be and, when fit, they need to be our front two.
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Post by iandychesterfc on Jan 9, 2018 13:29:47 GMT
Genuinely think Akintunde is a winger - lacks the composure to play up top imo, he's got to be on 3-4 one on ones missed in recent weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 13:39:37 GMT
Genuinely think Akintunde is a winger - lacks the composure to play up top imo, he's got to be on 3-4 one on ones missed in recent weeks. He's definitely not a centre forward, always thought he'd make a good "number 10". Don't think we've had a player better with the ball at his feet, the ease with which he takes a number of players on. Jury is out on his distrubution but seeing as we're severly lacking in width it wouldn't harm to try, has to be a better option than James or Dawson. |
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