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Post by Matt on Jan 20, 2018 18:51:57 GMT
Well I’m depressed and thought why not have another dull conversation to talk about 😄 yes or no?
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Post by massivefloodlights on Jan 20, 2018 19:01:34 GMT
No. Getting rid of him will impact next seasons budget massively.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jan 20, 2018 19:03:36 GMT
Agree with the Goat. Pretty sure his contract was until the end of the season - we may as well play it out IMO, for financial reasons.
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Post by tarvinblue on Jan 20, 2018 19:07:31 GMT
It's difficult as he inherited a shocking squad and had no money to improve. I realise that a large number of the signings he has made just haven't worked out but when you are paying nothing then I'm not sure you can come out expecting much. You get what you pay for. However, his tactics/formations/selections at times have been truly baffling and he doesn't seem to be able to read a game and adapt. It's just a constant lottery, hoping that something will miraculously change. Clearly he hasn't been able to motivate this group of players, just like JM couldn't. But, as well as that he hasn't been able to get them organised in a way where they know their jobs and stick to them. What was that new lad doing today? He looked absolutely clueless. Signed as a right back and then thrown into a position just behind the strikers. What chance did he have of performing and what on earth was the thought process behind that? I just don't think we are in a position to sack him financially, bearing in mind the ludicrous decisions that have been made previously that we are still paying for. We need to see out the season, wave him goodbye and then appoint someone who can unite things on the field and ensure that we are competitive in the north next season. However, a bigger factor before that is sorting out the mess off the field that has been developing over a long period of time and has left us in the position we find ourselves in today.
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Post by oldnotdecrepit on Jan 20, 2018 19:13:29 GMT
The team look hopeless, no pattern, no organisation, no passion. They are hopeless. Sack him. Please.
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Post by jb on Jan 20, 2018 19:16:19 GMT
Allow him until the end of the season unless Ian Atkins fancies trying to work another miracle and then bin him off. Bit of a disaster as manager.
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Post by dmcnally on Jan 20, 2018 19:22:03 GMT
It's difficult as he inherited a shocking squad and had no money to improve. I realise that a large number of the signings he has made just haven't worked out but when you are paying nothing then I'm not sure you can come out expecting much. You get what you pay for. However, his tactics/formations/selections at times have been truly baffling and he doesn't seem to be able to read a game and adapt. It's just a constant lottery, hoping that something will miraculously change. Clearly he hasn't been able to motivate this group of players, just like JM couldn't. But, as well as that he hasn't been able to get them organised in a way where they know their jobs and stick to them. What was that new lad doing today? He looked absolutely clueless. Signed as a right back and then thrown into a position just behind the strikers. What chance did he have of performing and what on earth was the thought process behind that? I just don't think we are in a position to sack him financially, bearing in mind the ludicrous decisions that have been made previously that we are still paying for. We need to see out the season, wave him goodbye and then appoint someone who can unite things on the field and ensure that we are competitive in the north next season. However, a bigger factor before that is sorting out the mess off the field that has been developing over a long period of time and has left us in the position we find ourselves in today. [br Sheperd was played as an attacking mid as he is an attacking mid/winger. Only played at right back for the past year of his career.
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Post by superman on Jan 20, 2018 19:27:47 GMT
Voted yes, although I would just tell him now he has no future beyond end of this season whatever the outcome, and hope he walks. Don't believe anyone can save us now, but planning for NLN starts now, including recruitment process of next manager. If he walks and takes his mates with him so much the better, or if he is sacked there are qualified coaches within the club who would jump at the chance to get some experienced at this level without costing the club a lot financially. We must not repeat the McCarthy scenario.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jan 20, 2018 19:35:58 GMT
It's difficult as he inherited a shocking squad and had no money to improve. I realise that a large number of the signings he has made just haven't worked out but when you are paying nothing then I'm not sure you can come out expecting much. You get what you pay for. However, his tactics/formations/selections at times have been truly baffling and he doesn't seem to be able to read a game and adapt. It's just a constant lottery, hoping that something will miraculously change. Clearly he hasn't been able to motivate this group of players, just like JM couldn't. But, as well as that he hasn't been able to get them organised in a way where they know their jobs and stick to them. What was that new lad doing today? He looked absolutely clueless. Signed as a right back and then thrown into a position just behind the strikers. What chance did he have of performing and what on earth was the thought process behind that? I just don't think we are in a position to sack him financially, bearing in mind the ludicrous decisions that have been made previously that we are still paying for. We need to see out the season, wave him goodbye and then appoint someone who can unite things on the field and ensure that we are competitive in the north next season. However, a bigger factor before that is sorting out the mess off the field that has been developing over a long period of time and has left us in the position we find ourselves in today. Articulately expanding on my basic point, spot on. That's exactly the situation as I see it.
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Post by Jack on Jan 20, 2018 19:37:01 GMT
I wouldn't sack him, what's the point?
His tactics today were just as bad as McCarthy. I can see what he's trying to do by making us compact, but it was blindingly obvious that those tactics wouldn't work at home. Fine for away games, but we needed more today. When Mahon came on and we had a go (still far too narrow), we showed that we could cause Gateshead lots of problems. We need to start all of our home games with the intention of scoring first, and for god's sake get Kingsley James off that wing.
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Post by Charfield Blue on Jan 20, 2018 19:44:26 GMT
We need to start cutting our cloth with Confidence North in mind. Clearly Bignot will not be with us and the majority of the players. We will need to offload Mahon and Hannah who are on 2 year contracts. However, my biggest financial concern is the CEO position. This is no dig AT ALL but surely we can't afford to have a paid employee in this position at that level. It's not nice to say, but I would have thought that we will need to make that position redundant? Such a horrible season this has turned out to be.
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Post by gezzer on Jan 20, 2018 19:51:59 GMT
We need to start cutting our cloth with Confidence North in mind. Clearly Bignot will not be with us and the majority of the players. We will need to offload Mahon and Hannah who are on 2 year contracts. However, my biggest financial concern is the CEO position. This is no dig AT ALL but surely we can't afford to have a paid employee in this position at that level. It's not nice to say, but I would have thought that we will need to make that position redundant? Such a horrible season this has turned out to be. Interestingly, Southport have just appointed a CEO and made the Chairman role redundant. A chicken and egg situation, given the lack of football expertise of the current board and general lack of anything!! Can we afford not to have a CEO?
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Post by happyclapper on Jan 20, 2018 20:31:31 GMT
We need to start cutting our cloth with Confidence North in mind. Clearly Bignot will not be with us and the majority of the players. We will need to offload Mahon and Hannah who are on 2 year contracts. However, my biggest financial concern is the CEO position. This is no dig AT ALL but surely we can't afford to have a paid employee in this position at that level. It's not nice to say, but I would have thought that we will need to make that position redundant? Such a horrible season this has turned out to be. Interestingly, Southport have just appointed a CEO and made the Chairman role redundant. A chicken and egg situation, given the lack of football expertise of the current board and general lack of anything!! Can we afford not to have a CEO? I think we need to get rid of both of the fulltime paid roles within the club if we are relegated, namely MM & TA - potentially have a commercial manager instead but that would at least save some of the loss of income from being relegated
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Post by devaboyreturns on Jan 20, 2018 20:38:23 GMT
Complete clear out needed. On and off the field. Need players back at the Club who display the pride and passion that the shirt deserves. They are out there but we need to start planning now.
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Post by seal73 on Jan 20, 2018 20:43:27 GMT
I wouldn't sack him, what's the point? His tactics today were just as bad as McCarthy. I can see what he's trying to do by making us compact, but it was blindingly obvious that those tactics wouldn't work at home. Fine for away games, but we needed more today. When Mahon came on and we had a go (still far too narrow), we showed that we could cause Gateshead lots of problems. We need to start all of our home games with the intention of scoring first, and for god's sake get Kingsley James off that wing. Get off James off full stop for me. Waste of a shirt overrated
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Post by Lobster on Jan 20, 2018 21:05:22 GMT
People who want him out, I just wonder what really is the thinking behind that?
Do you think a change of manager will keep us up? I don't. There's too much dead wood to clear out and very little room to change it. This week, we had to let our best midfielder go to free up funds because our ex-manager stupidly made him into a coach. We're so desperate for players we've brought in a lad who can't even train at the club. This is the hard, economic reality of the situation, and it goes way beyond who's in the dugout. Paying off another manager will only deplete resources further.
The alternative viewpoint I've heard is that we are probably down, but we should bring someone new in so that they have plenty of time to get to know the squad and rebuild for next season. This is all very well, but again it presupposes that the new manager will hit the ground running. In reality, I expect if we did appoint a new man now, results would continue to be poor and we would come to April once again questioning whether we had the right man, and we'd enter next season in the Conference North with a question mark over the managerial position.
The way I see it, this season has been a disaster that we just need to get through and whatever we do, we're about 95% likely to be relegated. If by some miracle the 5% happens and we stay up, Bignot will have worked wonders and would deserve to lead us next season. If we go down, the managerial situation is one of many, many things at the club that we need to review in the summer.
Whatever happens, we need to be going into next season in a fresh and optimistic frame of mind. For that reason, nobody can convince me that sacking the manager at this time is in any way beneficial to the club, neither short-term nor long-term.
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Jan 20, 2018 21:14:51 GMT
We needed a manager who could get us doing the basics right to have any chance of undoing the McCarthy damage.
As we've seen on countless occasions, Bignot is a million miles away from getting the basics right.
Things are no better now, amazingly enough.
Time to go.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 21:19:32 GMT
Much as i thought he was a WUM Whooper was right Bignot was not the right choice and he's sadly taken us down
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Post by hackett on Jan 20, 2018 21:26:04 GMT
Get rid of someone who has time and time again tried to adapt? Don't be daft. The man in chatge isn't the problem, the problems off the pitch, and the shite left behind..
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Post by dmcnally on Jan 20, 2018 21:31:11 GMT
You remember when we parted ways with Neil Young because he took the club as far as he could after taking us up from the CN? Well, Bignot is Solihull's version of the same man, plus added hubris. He made a great PowerPoint presentation though, so MM overlooked Graham Barrow. Well done. Erm... Grimsby took Bignot off Solihull...... he was doing well with them at the time, which is why a Football League side came in for him. Why resort to fake news?
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Post by dmcnally on Jan 20, 2018 21:33:16 GMT
Much as i thought he was a WUM Whooper was right Bignot was not the right choice and he's sadly taken us down That wasn’t his/her opinion though was it. They just wanted attention and bites off us lot.
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Post by dmcnally on Jan 20, 2018 21:40:06 GMT
Erm... Grimsby took Bignot off Solihull...... he was doing well with them at the time, which is why a Football League side came in for him. Why resort to fake news? Because Grimsby made the same mistake, but at least in their defence, they made it first. Unfortunately, we repeated it. Lying to fit your agenda against Bignot. Shocking. Bignot was doing well with a small budget at Solihull, scouting quality young talent, improving the community side of the club, maybe football league was a step too soon but you can see why the appointment was made at Chester.
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Post by Lobster on Jan 20, 2018 21:48:25 GMT
We needed a manager who could get us doing the basics right to have any chance of undoing the McCarthy damage. As we've seen on countless occasions, Bignot is a million miles away from getting the basics right. Things are no better now, amazingly enough. Time to go. But what do you think will change? I'll be honest, I do think Bignot is struggling. I had high hopes for him and it hasn't worked out so far. I think perhaps all of us, Bignot included, underestimated the difficulty of the task. But genuinely, if we sack Bignot tonight, what to you think will change? Do you think a new manager will keep us up, even with so much dross on board that he needs to get off the wage bill, and even less funds to work with as we'd be paying Bignot off. Or would a new manager be with a view to rebuilding next season, in which case, what happens if Manager Number 3 of the season continues to struggle like the two before him? I'm not trying to be flippant. I just honestly don't see what people think sacking the manager would achieve in our current situation, even if you don't rate him? I think perhaps it might be better if we all just accept that this season has been an almighty fuck up and we deal with the fall-out the end of the season, when contracts are up and we can really make a fresh start, albeit probably in the Conference North.
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Post by dmcnally on Jan 20, 2018 21:50:25 GMT
Lying to fit your agenda against Bignot. Shocking. Bignot was doing well with a small budget at Solihull, scouting quality young talent, improving the community side of the club, maybe football league was a step too soon but you can see why the appointment was made at Chester. Well, maybe that's why he's failed in every area you highlight in relation to his work here at Chester, despite succeeding previously in these areas at Solihull, which seemingly confirms my original post. I therefore give you permission to jog on. No idea what you’re on about here
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jan 20, 2018 21:57:18 GMT
We needed a manager who could get us doing the basics right to have any chance of undoing the McCarthy damage. As we've seen on countless occasions, Bignot is a million miles away from getting the basics right. Things are no better now, amazingly enough. Time to go. But what do you think will change? I'll be honest, I do think Bignot is struggling. I had high hopes for him and it hasn't worked out so far. I think perhaps all of us, Bignot included, underestimated the difficulty of the task. But genuinely, if we sack Bignot tonight, what to you think will change? Do you think a new manager will keep us up, even with so much dross on board that he needs to get off the wage bill, and even less funds to work with as we'd be paying Bignot off. Or would a new manager be with a view to rebuilding next season, in which case, what happens if Manager Number 3 of the season continues to struggle like the two before him? I'm not trying to be flippant. I just honestly don't see what people think sacking the manager would achieve in our current situation, even if you don't rate him? I think perhaps it might be better if we all just accept that this season has been an almighty fuck up and we deal with the fall-out the end of the season, when contracts are up and we can really make a fresh start, albeit probably in the Conference North. I'm with you on this. Write this season off and start from scratch again in the summer, regardless of what's gone on before. With all this mess on the pitch and in the boardroom it makes me think - only Chester could monumentally eff up a chance of a fresh start newco.
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Jan 20, 2018 22:02:36 GMT
We needed a manager who could get us doing the basics right to have any chance of undoing the McCarthy damage. As we've seen on countless occasions, Bignot is a million miles away from getting the basics right. Things are no better now, amazingly enough. Time to go. But what do you think will change? I'll be honest, I do think Bignot is struggling. I had high hopes for him and it hasn't worked out so far. I think perhaps all of us, Bignot included, underestimated the difficulty of the task. But genuinely, if we sack Bignot tonight, what to you think will change? Do you think a new manager will keep us up, even with so much dross on board that he needs to get off the wage bill, and even less funds to work with as we'd be paying Bignot off. Or would a new manager be with a view to rebuilding next season, in which case, what happens if Manager Number 3 of the season continues to struggle like the two before him? I'm not trying to be flippant. I just honestly don't see what people think sacking the manager would achieve in our current situation, even if you don't rate him? I think perhaps it might be better if we all just accept that this season has been an almighty fuck up and we deal with the fall-out the end of the season, when contracts are up and we can really make a fresh start, albeit probably in the Conference North. You raise some good points. I accept a new manager wont keep us up given the shower in our ranks but I also dont think Bignot is in our long term future. Is it best to linger on with a failure who won't be with us next season who can't even organise a basic defensive unit? He lost the dressing room months ago, why give him any longer?
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Post by Lobster on Jan 20, 2018 22:06:45 GMT
But what do you think will change? I'll be honest, I do think Bignot is struggling. I had high hopes for him and it hasn't worked out so far. I think perhaps all of us, Bignot included, underestimated the difficulty of the task. But genuinely, if we sack Bignot tonight, what to you think will change? Do you think a new manager will keep us up, even with so much dross on board that he needs to get off the wage bill, and even less funds to work with as we'd be paying Bignot off. Or would a new manager be with a view to rebuilding next season, in which case, what happens if Manager Number 3 of the season continues to struggle like the two before him? I'm not trying to be flippant. I just honestly don't see what people think sacking the manager would achieve in our current situation, even if you don't rate him? I think perhaps it might be better if we all just accept that this season has been an almighty fuck up and we deal with the fall-out the end of the season, when contracts are up and we can really make a fresh start, albeit probably in the Conference North. You raise some good points. I accept a new manager wont keep us up given the shower in our ranks but I also dont think Bignot is in our long term future. Is it best to linger on with a failure who won't be with us next season who can't even organise a basic defensive unit? He lost the dressing room months ago, why give him any longer? Because he's only contracted until the end of the season anyway, if I understand correctly. If you accept that we won't stay up anyway, why spend money getting rid of him now? "Lost the dressing room" is an abstract argument that suggests you side with the players. The way I see it, this lot haven't done anything to earn the right to take umbrage with any manager.
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Post by dmcnally on Jan 20, 2018 22:14:24 GMT
But what do you think will change? I'll be honest, I do think Bignot is struggling. I had high hopes for him and it hasn't worked out so far. I think perhaps all of us, Bignot included, underestimated the difficulty of the task. But genuinely, if we sack Bignot tonight, what to you think will change? Do you think a new manager will keep us up, even with so much dross on board that he needs to get off the wage bill, and even less funds to work with as we'd be paying Bignot off. Or would a new manager be with a view to rebuilding next season, in which case, what happens if Manager Number 3 of the season continues to struggle like the two before him? I'm not trying to be flippant. I just honestly don't see what people think sacking the manager would achieve in our current situation, even if you don't rate him? I think perhaps it might be better if we all just accept that this season has been an almighty fuck up and we deal with the fall-out the end of the season, when contracts are up and we can really make a fresh start, albeit probably in the Conference North. You raise some good points. I accept a new manager wont keep us up given the shower in our ranks but I also dont think Bignot is in our long term future. Is it best to linger on with a failure who won't be with us next season who can't even organise a basic defensive unit? He lost the dressing room months ago, why give him any longer? Can organise a defensive unit as seen at Ebbsfleet and Fylde away.
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Post by Helsby Blue on Jan 20, 2018 22:17:23 GMT
You raise some good points. I accept a new manager wont keep us up given the shower in our ranks but I also dont think Bignot is in our long term future. Is it best to linger on with a failure who won't be with us next season who can't even organise a basic defensive unit? He lost the dressing room months ago, why give him any longer? Can organise a defensive unit as seen at Ebbsfleet and Fylde away. We looked incredibly organised in defence today.
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Post by btb on Jan 20, 2018 22:18:11 GMT
You raise some good points. I accept a new manager wont keep us up given the shower in our ranks but I also dont think Bignot is in our long term future. Is it best to linger on with a failure who won't be with us next season who can't even organise a basic defensive unit? He lost the dressing room months ago, why give him any longer? Can organise a defensive unit as seen at Ebbsfleet and Fylde away. But not at home. Which lets face it is our bread and butter!
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