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Post by Al on Jan 20, 2018 21:25:27 GMT
Venue: Blues Bar Start time: 19:30hrs
Quite simply the most important meeting we've had since the Guildhall Meeting.
What happens on Thursday will determine the future direction of the club, or whether we have a club at all in 12 months time.
Be there, the future of this club depends on each and everyone of us
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Post by gone4eva on Jan 20, 2018 21:36:09 GMT
What information do you have that has made you think the existence of the club is at threat in such a short timeframe?
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Post by oldnotdecrepit on Jan 20, 2018 21:44:55 GMT
Assume only CFU members can attend?
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Post by gone4eva on Jan 20, 2018 21:46:45 GMT
Just seen Al's cryptic replies on another thread
etc etc from the live thread.
I have to agree with the poster "Odd how u "know and trust the info" yet only days ago one of your main questions for the CFU meeting was how many Cestrian 10 tickets were sold. WUM" as you ignored much more relevant questions on finance.
If the club is at such serious threat, explain it to us all. If not, that is hugely damaging, and could affect how we sign players etc.
Put up or shut up.
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Post by billyw on Jan 20, 2018 21:47:07 GMT
Venue: Blues Bar Start time: 19:30hrs Quite simply the most important meeting we've had since the Guildhall Meeting. What happens on Thursday will determine the future direction of the club, or whether we have a club at all in 12 months time. Be there, the future of this club depends on each and everyone of us Was just going to post this myself to remind everyone to get to the meeting and demand answers to the many questions we have. If we don't turn up we have no-one to blame but ourselves if/when this club gives tits up.
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Post by Al on Jan 20, 2018 21:53:20 GMT
Just seen Al's cryptic replies on another thread etc etc from the live thread. I have to agree with the poster "Odd how u "know and trust the info" yet only days ago one of your main questions for the CFU meeting was how many Cestrian 10 tickets were sold. WUM" as you ignored much more relevant questions on finance. If the club is at such serious threat, explain it to us all. If not, that is hugely damaging, and could affect how we sign players etc. Put up or shut up. Here we go again...
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Post by gone4eva on Jan 20, 2018 21:58:51 GMT
You say you have info that makes you think the club will cease to exist inside the next 365 days.
You are not sharing it.
Do you understand what a huge thing that is?
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jan 20, 2018 21:59:49 GMT
Assume only CFU members can attend? Sign up on the night at the door. The attendance will certainly be interesting considering the depth of ill feeling amongst the fan base.
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Post by Al on Jan 20, 2018 22:02:20 GMT
You say you have info that makes you think the club will cease to exist inside the next 365 days. You are not sharing it. Do you understand what a huge thing that is? Listen to them talk about the financials on Thursday.
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Post by gone4eva on Jan 20, 2018 22:03:51 GMT
You say you have info that makes you think the club will cease to exist inside the next 365 days. You are not sharing it. Do you understand what a huge thing that is? Listen to them talk about the financials on Thursday. What if they dont? Lots of reasons and excuses to dodge questions on the night. Can you share what you know that makes you think there will not be a club, let alone a poorly run relegated entity, in 365 days time?
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Jan 20, 2018 22:04:37 GMT
The board need holding to account next week.
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Post by Rio The Ball Bag on Jan 20, 2018 22:05:48 GMT
Yeah go on Al, spill the beans. Got to agree with the above poster IMHO.
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Post by btb on Jan 20, 2018 22:06:16 GMT
You say you have info that makes you think the club will cease to exist inside the next 365 days. You are not sharing it. Do you understand what a huge thing that is? You only have to do the basic maths? Crowds are way down against the budgeted crowd figure. 5 or 6 contracted players could take up half of next season's budget? I think it's reasonable to assume this figure to be about 250k regardless of what division we are in. Season ticket sales are likely to be down this summer? You can fool some people sometimes etc. the massive question, which never seems to be answered, is there any money left out the rainy day figure?
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Post by Si on Jan 20, 2018 22:10:34 GMT
You say you have info that makes you think the club will cease to exist inside the next 365 days. You are not sharing it. Do you understand what a huge thing that is? You only have to do the basic maths? Crowds are way down against the budgeted crowd figure. 5 or 6 contracted players could take up half of next season's budget? I think it's reasonable to assume this figure to be about 250k regardless of what division we are in. Season ticket sales are likely to be down this summer? You can fool some people sometimes etc. the massive question, which never seems to be answered, is there any money left out the rainy day figure? So amidst the falling crowds, why go full time and give Bignot the budget to sign players when it was well known that McCarthy blew the entire budget in the summer?
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Post by btb on Jan 20, 2018 22:16:05 GMT
You only have to do the basic maths? Crowds are way down against the budgeted crowd figure. 5 or 6 contracted players could take up half of next season's budget? I think it's reasonable to assume this figure to be about 250k regardless of what division we are in. Season ticket sales are likely to be down this summer? You can fool some people sometimes etc. the massive question, which never seems to be answered, is there any money left out the rainy day figure? So amidst the falling crowds, why go full time and give Bignot the budget to sign players when it was well known that McCarthy blew the entire budget in the summer? Maybe that money came from the rainy day money? These are all questions that need answering. i don't have all the answers but what I do know is some people who are well respected at Chester are saying some very worrying things about the financial situation.
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Post by Al on Jan 20, 2018 22:18:37 GMT
Listen to them talk about the financials on Thursday. What if they dont? Lots of reasons and excuses to dodge questions on the night. Can you share what you know that makes you think there will not be a club, let alone a poorly run relegated entity, in 365 days time? What I said originally elsewhere was, if we carry on down this path we won't have a club in 12 months. In the past 12 months do we realise how much money we have wasted through various ridiculous decisions? Mccarthys contract extension, giving all that money to Mccarthy to blow on shite and the terms on some of those contracts are abhorrent, Bignot coming in and bringing more lads in on the basis he was to ship a load out. He's only just got rid of one player.. We've not got a pot to piss because of all that, plus the severe drop in gates. The 2 year deals, the 30 games contract extension clauses for McCombe and Halls (mentioned elsewhere on this forum) will royally screw us next season, whether that's in this division or in the Conference North. Carry on making the mistakes we've made, and we're screwed
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Post by gone4eva on Jan 20, 2018 22:25:09 GMT
Hope you all have read the constitution and methods of motions / quorum from the floor as otherwise it could be a well swerved Q&A and nothing done.
If what you infer is true it would be very interesting to get some detail on what the legal responsibilities are of the board etc.
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Post by embalmer on Jan 20, 2018 22:25:28 GMT
It would be nice for once to see some physical figures - detailed projections for the rest of the season and comparisons to previous years up to this point. All of this information is of course available to the board and yet all we seem to get at CFU meetings is a monologue from Lawrence Kirby.
I've heard some rumours that we could apparently be looking at a loss of around £100,000 this season.
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Post by muffinthemule on Jan 20, 2018 22:42:14 GMT
You slag of the board and call them for everything and yet it was only a couple of months ago that you, the CFU membership, re-elected them to office almost unopposed cos no-one was willing to stand against them. What's changed? Who's willing to replace them now who didn't stand at the AGM? I will support viable candidates (not the idiots) if any come forward. Otherwise put up or shut up. And support YOUR club
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Post by Si on Jan 20, 2018 22:46:19 GMT
You slag of the board and call them for everything and yet it was only a couple of months ago that you, the CFU membership, re-elected them to office almost unopposed cos no-one was willing to stand against them. What's changed? Who's willing to replace them now who didn't stand at the AGM? I will support viable candidates (not the idiots) if any come forward. Otherwise put up or shut up. And support YOUR club So don't question the board if you're not prepared to join it yourself? 😒
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Post by Harry Lime on Jan 20, 2018 22:49:15 GMT
Could easily be down £100k.
We need 2100 or so to meet the budget. We are getting around 1600. 500 down at £10 per head (??) is £5000. If that happens for twenty home games makes that £100k. That would be our rainy day fund washed away in one go.
Our budget would already be down by £70k next season, as no Sam Hughes money. If we keep those in two year deals, that maybe 30-50% of the budget spent already. Add in trigger points for other players being met, that could be well over half spent on players we would want to leave. How the hell do you sell season tickets or encourage people to pay to watch them again next season?
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Post by gone4eva on Jan 20, 2018 23:03:07 GMT
all we seem to get at CFU meetings is a monologue from Lawrence Kirby. Will anyone challenge monologues, bluster, non-answers or lack of hard figures?
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Post by Si on Jan 20, 2018 23:08:08 GMT
all we seem to get at CFU meetings is a monologue from Lawrence Kirby. Will anyone challenge monologues, bluster, non-answers or lack of hard figures? Will you?
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Post by sqzl on Jan 20, 2018 23:08:21 GMT
I must admit, I think we need to bin Maguire. He's taking s heavy wage that we simply can't afford regardless of the deals brought in, I don't think he's worth the bucks and we've been heading downhill since he joined us. McCarthy signed shite, Maguire was involved in keeping him, should have both been sacked for me.
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Post by gone4eva on Jan 20, 2018 23:11:05 GMT
The meeting is described as 'formal'. That means www.cityfansunited.com/docs/CFU_Standing_Orders_for_General_Meetings.pdf applies, it is NOT an AGM but it is a formal general meeting of members. Those rules can be changed on the night "The Society Board may alter, rescind or add to any part or element of these Standing Orders by a simple majority vote of those present at a Society Board Meeting". As a member you have a right to participate: "whilst permitting each member the opportunity to fully participate in the meeting" Note motions can be to delete others, or fresh... 5.1 The mover of a motion or amendment shall be allowed up to 5 minutes in which to state the case. The mover of the motion shall also have the right to reply at the end of the discussion, and in replying shall be confined to answering previous speakers and shall not be permitted to introduce new matters into the debate. Up to 5 minutes shall be allowed for this right of reply after which the motion shall be put to the vote. Beware of the 5.6 dodging of questions: "5.6 In response to any questions or comments raised by a member, the Chair reserves the right to arrange for a written response to be forwarded to the member in due course. " Waffling and monologes could be used to run the clock down... " All meetings shall terminate not later than two-and-a-half hours after the commencement time specified in the notice of the meeting. "
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Post by dmcnally on Jan 20, 2018 23:11:12 GMT
I must admit, I think we need to bin Maguire. He's taking s heavy wage that we simply can't afford regardless of the deals brought in, I don't think he's worth the bucks and we've been heading downhill since he joined us. McCarthy signed shite, Maguire was involved in keeping him, should have both been sacked for me. If he’s bringing in more than his wage than that means he is worth having for his commercial work.
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Post by gone4eva on Jan 20, 2018 23:17:03 GMT
I must admit, I think we need to bin Maguire. He's taking s heavy wage that we simply can't afford regardless of the deals brought in, I don't think he's worth the bucks and we've been heading downhill since he joined us. McCarthy signed shite, Maguire was involved in keeping him, should have both been sacked for me. If he’s bringing in more than his wage than that means he is worth having for his commercial work. Does it ? £50k wage brings in £51k you are happy. A general rule sometimes used is such people should bring in 3x their wages or even more.
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Post by sqzl on Jan 20, 2018 23:17:19 GMT
I must admit, I think we need to bin Maguire. He's taking s heavy wage that we simply can't afford regardless of the deals brought in, I don't think he's worth the bucks and we've been heading downhill since he joined us. McCarthy signed shite, Maguire was involved in keeping him, should have both been sacked for me. If he’s bringing in more than his wage than that means he is worth having for his commercial work. Potentially mate and I honestly hate to slate a man that wants to do well in his job. The issue I have is that I don't know if he brings enough revenue that we wouldn't have brought in already as a club given the right approach. It appear he's brought in some extra deals, but to justify that position given our finances he has to be doubling his war of not better.
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Post by embalmer on Jan 20, 2018 23:25:48 GMT
The minutes from the December board meeting still aren't even on the CFU website almost a full month later. Dear me.
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Post by gone4eva on Jan 20, 2018 23:27:44 GMT
The minutes from the December board meeting still aren't even on the CFU website almost a full month later. Dear me. 21. Do the board believe the minutes and reports generated from these meetings are detailed enough?
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