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Post by CH3STER on Jan 21, 2018 12:46:50 GMT
- If I was managing this team in this situation the last thing I would do is to instruct my players to jeopardise a chance of getting the ball into the box from ANY attacking position in the final third
- From at least two set peices yesterday it was blindingly obvious that the players were told to NOT deliver a cross into the box but to pass the ball to a secondary player and for them to attempt a cross.
- One nil down, free kick 25ish yards out right of center. All our players were up from the back....direct free kick...Turnbull passes a ball to James on the byline (further away from goal) (not a winger) (probably the worst technical player) who is predictably closed down and attempts a poor piece of skill to beat the man. James fails at this and is then dispossessed.
-Why the f@@k would you instruct a player to do this?
-in the first half we attempted the same thing from the same attacking position up the far end of the pitch AND THE INITAL PASS WENT STRAIGHT OUT OF PLAY FOR A GOAL KICK!!!
- You can try and be the most positive fan in the world and back the player but this basic lack of organisation underpins why we are in this mess.
-I dragged my dad along yesterday who is the definition of a floating Chester fan. Went the cup run in the 75 season and since I have been going has sporadically attended when we have had a decent team. The club won’t see his money for months after yesterday and I can understand why he would think like that after watching that shower yesterday.
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Post by Lobster on Jan 21, 2018 12:54:11 GMT
It's said that statistically you're more likely to score from a short corner, but that's probably only if you have gifted, created players. The level we're at, yes, you feel we need to get the ball in the box. Most of our goals this season have come from set pieces or long punts forward.
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Post by Rio The Ball Bag on Jan 21, 2018 12:56:26 GMT
Short corners are more productive. You keep hold of possession, instead of booting it into the first defender for a goal kick, or straight into their keepers hands so he can then quickly throw it to one of theirs on a counter attack.
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Post by btb on Jan 21, 2018 12:59:37 GMT
That free kick in the first half was a shambles and another pointer towards the manager being tactically naive. Where as he cant be held accountable for individual mistakes he can be held accountable to placing the players in these situations.
We're struggling and every man and his dog can see this. It's simple. Get the players as fit as possible which I believe he has done. Play 442 or 451 and play the percentages. Hit the channels and corner flags. From set play, put the ball in the mixer first time. It's not science rockets is it.
That starting formation was shambolic yesterday and that is down to one man. A man who is slowly losing the plot. Just heard him say on the radio we are on to equal our points target for January. How does he work that out? I'm no mathematics genius but at the rate of points he's talking about, we get relegated?!
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Post by Lobster on Jan 21, 2018 13:04:24 GMT
That free kick in the first half was a shambles and another pointer towards the manager being tactically naive. Where as he cant be held accountable for individual mistakes he can be held accountable to placing the players in these situations. We're struggling and every man and his dog can see this. It's simple. Get the players as fit as possible which I believe he has done. Play 442 or 451 and play the percentages. Hit the channels and corner flags. From set play, put the ball in the mixer first time. It's not science rockets is it. That starting formation was shambolic yesterday and that is down to one man. A man who is slowly losing the plot. Just heard him say on the radio we are on to equal our points target for January. How does he work that out? I'm no mathematics genius but at the rate of points he's talking about, we get relegated?! I don't like all this "points targets" talk. It's the sort of thing McCarthy used to come out with. You take each game as it comes, to use the old phrase. If you win one, try and win the next one, and so on. If you get a couple of decent results and start thinking you've done enough for the month, you won't build on anything you're creating. |
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Post by CH3STER on Jan 21, 2018 13:11:21 GMT
I would honestly be more content if we adopted the tactic of playing long ball and crossing the ball at every opportunity in the final third. We could at very least hope for mistakes from their defenders/goalkeepers and capitalise. At the moment we are trying to play a bit of football on a massive pitch with unfit and technically poor players.
To continue the rant......Initally I was a fan of Dawson but I watched him closely yesterday and he actually has zero ability to defend.,literally clueless. When under no pressure he can pass a ball to his teammates and looks technically gifted but when we don’t have the ball it’s like playing with 10 men. For their second goal it was blindingly obvious that he needed to foul their lad outside of the box to stop a goal but decided to jockey him applying no pressure until he squared it and we end up 2 - 0 down. Any other player in the squad would have computed that situation and at the very least avoided their second goal by chopping the player outside the box and taking the booking. He looked completely lost yesterday and isn’t cut out for this situation or league
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Post by btb on Jan 21, 2018 13:13:17 GMT
That free kick in the first half was a shambles and another pointer towards the manager being tactically naive. Where as he cant be held accountable for individual mistakes he can be held accountable to placing the players in these situations. We're struggling and every man and his dog can see this. It's simple. Get the players as fit as possible which I believe he has done. Play 442 or 451 and play the percentages. Hit the channels and corner flags. From set play, put the ball in the mixer first time. It's not science rockets is it. That starting formation was shambolic yesterday and that is down to one man. A man who is slowly losing the plot. Just heard him say on the radio we are on to equal our points target for January. How does he work that out? I'm no mathematics genius but at the rate of points he's talking about, we get relegated?! I don't like all this "points targets" talk. It's the sort of thing McCarthy used to come out with. You take each game as it comes, to use the old phrase. If you win one, try and win the next one, and so on. If you get a couple of decent results and start thinking you've done enough for the month, you won't build on anything you're creating. Exactly. It's all to do with this tracksuit managing nonsense. I'm not saying that statistics can't be used within the game but I think where football is concerned they can be misleading. Take the statistic talked about above about short corners and the breakaway. I dare say that is true in some vague respect but who's to say that statistic works for your team? Your team might have several tall players, several quick players. Who knows. Just concentrate on the simple stats. How many successful crosses your winger puts over. Striker shoots on target etc. football is a simple game but it's not like baseball and other such sports and it's becoming over complicated by people like mad jon and Bignot and their statistical approach. |
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Post by CH3STER on Jan 21, 2018 13:17:19 GMT
For the 1st goal we had 4 lads with their backs to the ball when ironically their short corner was picked up and middled. Basic organisation which starts with the manager giving players roles and responsibilities whilst defending set plays. Do we look organised at the moment? No, not at. That starts with the manager and the training provided. We are sleep walking to relegation, at least put up a fight blues for f@@k sake
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Post by billyw on Jan 21, 2018 13:29:27 GMT
That free kick in the first half was a shambles and another pointer towards the manager being tactically naive. Where as he cant be held accountable for individual mistakes he can be held accountable to placing the players in these situations. We're struggling and every man and his dog can see this. It's simple. Get the players as fit as possible which I believe he has done. Play 442 or 451 and play the percentages. Hit the channels and corner flags. From set play, put the ball in the mixer first time. It's not science rockets is it. That starting formation was shambolic yesterday and that is down to one man. A man who is slowly losing the plot. Just heard him say on the radio we are on to equal our points target for January. How does he work that out? I'm no mathematics genius but at the rate of points he's talking about, we get relegated?! If our players are fit, why is it that every team we play are so much quicker than us. |
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Post by btb on Jan 21, 2018 13:58:19 GMT
That free kick in the first half was a shambles and another pointer towards the manager being tactically naive. Where as he cant be held accountable for individual mistakes he can be held accountable to placing the players in these situations. We're struggling and every man and his dog can see this. It's simple. Get the players as fit as possible which I believe he has done. Play 442 or 451 and play the percentages. Hit the channels and corner flags. From set play, put the ball in the mixer first time. It's not science rockets is it. That starting formation was shambolic yesterday and that is down to one man. A man who is slowly losing the plot. Just heard him say on the radio we are on to equal our points target for January. How does he work that out? I'm no mathematics genius but at the rate of points he's talking about, we get relegated?! If our players are fit, why is it that every team we play are so much quicker than us. I guess there are different levels of fitness. Astles could certainly look at himself as could one or two others. But, Bignot has added an extra session and the majority of players look like they can start and finish games opposed to when mad jon was running the show. Yesterday gateshead didn't look fitter or quicker. We just completely collapsed, showing our soft shell yet again. |
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Post by oldnotdecrepit on Jan 21, 2018 14:04:56 GMT
If our players are fit, why is it that every team we play are so much quicker than us. I guess there are different levels of fitness. Astles could certainly look at himself as could one or two others. But, Bignot has added an extra session and the majority of players look like they can start and finish games opposed to when mad jon was running the show. Yesterday gateshead didn't look fitter or quicker. We just completely collapsed, showing our soft shell yet again. I honestly thought Gateshead looked much fitter and quicker, certainly leaner. Remember the first half when their winger Fox(?) made Gough look like he had his boots on the wrong feet? Actually thinking about it.......?.  ? |
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Post by btb on Jan 21, 2018 14:20:58 GMT
I guess there are different levels of fitness. Astles could certainly look at himself as could one or two others. But, Bignot has added an extra session and the majority of players look like they can start and finish games opposed to when mad jon was running the show. Yesterday gateshead didn't look fitter or quicker. We just completely collapsed, showing our soft shell yet again. I honestly thought Gateshead looked much fitter and quicker, certainly leaner. Remember the first half when their winger Fox(?) made Gough look like he had his boots on the wrong feet? Actually thinking about it.......?. ? I watched Gateshead warm up and I felt it was the most amateur warm up I've ever seen. And for the first half an hour they looked every inch a team who hadn't won since November but then, our new starter was completely goosed and we reverted to type. There after we made them look like Brazil! |
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Post by Captain Duff on Jan 21, 2018 14:52:43 GMT
Quite apart from the keystone cops one I found all of the set pieces poor. What is with the second player near the one taking the FK making the same hand/arm signals for each one and each one then being pants? Too many wasted opportunities, and as for corners when we have Astles coming into the box for each of them (and he should, although we got caught more than once on the break when he was stranded there) then a ball directly into the box just makes far more sense to me.
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Post by delamereal on Jan 21, 2018 20:08:55 GMT
I honestly thought Gateshead looked much fitter and quicker, certainly leaner. Remember the first half when their winger Fox(?) made Gough look like he had his boots on the wrong feet? Actually thinking about it.......?. ? I watched Gateshead warm up and I felt it was the most amateur warm up I've ever seen. And for the first half an hour they looked every inch a team who hadn't won since November but then, our new starter was completely goosed and we reverted to type. There after we made them look like Brazil! It was Dawson who struggled to catch up with him when he made their 2nd goal. |
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Post by MPW on Jan 21, 2018 21:35:56 GMT
I thought Turnbull was meant to be a set piece specialist?
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Jan 21, 2018 21:46:50 GMT
I must admit, when I see us take a short corner I expect it to come to nothing. We regularly either end up putting in a poor cross under pressure or lose it before even getting a cross in at all. I prefer just getting the ball in to the box when you get the chance unchallenged and see what it comes to.
That free kick yesterday was shambolic as others have said. You're a really poorly organised outfit when you start doing things like that.
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Post by dmcnally on Jan 21, 2018 22:41:41 GMT
That free kick in the first half was a shambles and another pointer towards the manager being tactically naive. Where as he cant be held accountable for individual mistakes he can be held accountable to placing the players in these situations. We're struggling and every man and his dog can see this. It's simple. Get the players as fit as possible which I believe he has done. Play 442 or 451 and play the percentages. Hit the channels and corner flags. From set play, put the ball in the mixer first time. It's not science rockets is it. That starting formation was shambolic yesterday and that is down to one man. A man who is slowly losing the plot. Just heard him say on the radio we are on to equal our points target for January. How does he work that out? I'm no mathematics genius but at the rate of points he's talking about, we get relegated?! If our players are fit, why is it that every team we play are so much quicker than us. Because McCarthy signed a squad of players where I can properly walk faster than they can run. |
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