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Post by Derry Blue on Jan 25, 2018 13:31:40 GMT
I didn't say all, I said some CFU members. And to quote from one of your posts, maybe I'm naming and shaming you.
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Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 25, 2018 13:36:45 GMT
I didn't say all, I said some CFU members. And to quote from one of your posts, maybe I'm naming and shaming you. Feel free to do so! What's the solution in your eyes then? Make CFU a free for all that anyone can contribute to?
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Post by norwegianblue on Jan 25, 2018 13:42:35 GMT
Hypothetically. So as a non CFU member who has paid a fair few pound in sponsorship I may not be deemed as worthy as knowing what is going on as a CFU who has paid £12 ? This is the problem , for some reason a two tier club for supporters. Or that's how some could perceive it. We really need to find a way of bridging the gap in the fan base because at the end of the day it's going to take CFU members and non members together to turn things round Definitely not Frank. The club is NOT two tier. If only it was that simple. A CFU member should be part of the membership who votes on who runs the club and how it is run and be informed of everything, including all financial ins and outs and decisions made by the elected Board. We own the club. Unfortunately, it isn't working like that and it needs fixing. As a major sponsor, you should also be informed as to how your money has benefitted the club. If contented, you may be inclined to renew once your deal had expired. I would expect the Commercial Manager to take care of that. Saying that, I'm sure some sponsors have been "If you don't tell me, I won't sponsor you again" and there are those who like to have the pious "There's something going on behind the scenes, but I'm not going to tell you" type. You only have to read Deva Chat to see that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 13:45:32 GMT
I despair at times!
If supporters of other clubs came across this, and other threads, they'd probably collapse in an hysterical heap on the floor laughing at how fans of the same club can end up divided and arguing amongst themselves just before the most crucial meeting in its history. They would also come to the view that it's no surprise that Chester FC has ended up where it is.
Regardless of the pros and cons of CFU membership, the competence or otherwise of MM and the board, the money or lack of it etc would it be beyond the bounds of possibility for people just to reel it in a little bit until we truly see where we are. After all, it's only a few hours away!
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Post by Derry Blue on Jan 25, 2018 13:47:46 GMT
I haven't asked that the CFU be a free for all. I do challenge words like "satanic cult", "immaturity", "chips on shoulders", "Cheapskates" and suggest that they do nothing for unity and are the province of the holier than thou brigade.
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Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 25, 2018 13:56:19 GMT
I haven't asked that the CFU be a free for all. I do challenge words like "satanic cult", "immaturity", "chips on shoulders", "Cheapskates" and suggest that they do nothing for unity and are the province of the holier than thou brigade. OK, in your own words then, how would you like to describe non-cfu moaners?
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Post by Malcolm Tucker on Jan 25, 2018 14:02:05 GMT
I am not a CFU member having let my membership lapse a few years ago, but will be joining up again at the meeting this evening because I accept that with the model we have I forfeit my right to have my say if I am not a member.
The same as joining the electoral register to vote, it will be the people who don’t vote/aren’t CFU members who will complain most vocally, despite the obvious solution to change it being obvious and right in front of their faces.
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Post by Derry Blue on Jan 25, 2018 14:07:14 GMT
I am not a CFU member having let my membership lapse a few years ago, but will be joining up again at the meeting this evening because I accept that with the model we have I forfeit my right to have my say if I am not a member. The same as joining the electoral register to vote, it will be the people who don’t vote/aren’t CFU members who will complain most vocally, despite the obvious solution to change it being obvious and right in front of their faces. Where on earth do you get evidence to support your ridiculous assertion that non-CFU will complain most vocally. I've been having a pop at others about their posts but they're intellectual giants compared to you.
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Post by Derry Blue on Jan 25, 2018 14:07:54 GMT
I haven't asked that the CFU be a free for all. I do challenge words like "satanic cult", "immaturity", "chips on shoulders", "Cheapskates" and suggest that they do nothing for unity and are the province of the holier than thou brigade. OK, in your own words then, how would you like to describe non-cfu moaners? Divisive.
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Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 25, 2018 14:10:18 GMT
OK, in your own words then, how would you like to describe non-cfu moaners? Divisive. I'm afraid it's not the time to be divisive mate, the club needs exactly the opposite right now! And, if i may... how do you think divisiveness will help the current unity issue?
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Post by Derry Blue on Jan 25, 2018 14:15:43 GMT
I'm afraid it's not the time to be divisive mate, the club needs exactly the opposite right now! And, if i may... how do you think divisiveness will help the current unity issue? I didn't say divisive would help. Both sides of the CFU argument are harming the club. You're a member or you're not. If you are, you get rights that you've paid for. If you're not, it doesn't make you a bad supporter.
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Post by sqzl on Jan 25, 2018 14:25:33 GMT
I'm afraid it's not the time to be divisive mate, the club needs exactly the opposite right now! And, if i may... how do you think divisiveness will help the current unity issue? I didn't say divisive would help. Both sides of the CFU argument are harming the club. You're a member or you're not. If you are, you get rights that you've paid for. If you're not, it doesn't make you a bad supporter. CFU member, but would still agree with this. Now isn't the time to be divisive, as Oaks stated, but in stating that it contradicts the point. We are being exactly that by only letting CFU members be involved. If anything, today is an opportunity to engage new faces and be gaining membership numbers on the door, but by giving people the option to attend regardless, not a closed door unless you sign up here and now job. It's what i would argue is a divisive meeting, despite being a CFU member myself.
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Post by Derry Blue on Jan 25, 2018 14:31:54 GMT
I didn't say divisive would help. Both sides of the CFU argument are harming the club. You're a member or you're not. If you are, you get rights that you've paid for. If you're not, it doesn't make you a bad supporter. CFU member, but would still agree with this. Now isn't the time to be divisive, as Oaks stated, but in stating that it contradicts the point. We are being exactly that by only letting CFU members be involved. If anything, today is an opportunity to engage new faces and be gaining membership numbers on the door, but by giving people the option to attend regardless, not a closed door unless you sign up here and now job. It's what i would argue is a divisive meeting, despite being a CFU member myself. I agree. The whole issue is proving divisive, perhaps that's a function of how worried we all are by the state of our beloved club. I have to look at my own shortness to temper at the moment (see my reaction to the Malcolm Tucker post above). Times like this I wish I did yoga 😀
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Post by bing on Jan 25, 2018 14:35:13 GMT
Tricky one... the problem if we let anyone in though is that meetings could be sabotaged by WUMs from other clubs - turning up just to cause trouble. Much less likely to happen with membership cards.
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Post by canadianexile on Jan 25, 2018 14:38:53 GMT
Tricky one... the problem if we let anyone in though is that meetings could be sabotaged by WUMs from other clubs - turning up just to cause trouble. Much less likely to happen with membership cards. Calm down
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Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 25, 2018 14:47:37 GMT
I'm afraid it's not the time to be divisive mate, the club needs exactly the opposite right now! And, if i may... how do you think divisiveness will help the current unity issue? I didn't say divisive would help. Both sides of the CFU argument are harming the club. You're a member or you're not. If you are, you get rights that you've paid for. If you're not, it doesn't make you a bad supporter. Just to clarify, i never said it makes you a bad supporter. I just makes you a supporter without a voice. But this won't change anything, there will still be people who moan and moan and never have anything constructive to say, and those people can just do one for me.
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Post by sqzl on Jan 25, 2018 14:59:30 GMT
Tricky one... the problem if we let anyone in though is that meetings could be sabotaged by WUMs from other clubs - turning up just to cause trouble. Much less likely to happen with membership cards. I think this is exactly why it's been treated as it has. A suggestion i've made previously is that if you get 10 CFU membership referrals, the club offer you a free legends lounge experience. I'm not saying that's incredible, but it's certainly incentive to try and get family and friends involved. I know my mate is a Man United fan, when i mentioned CFU being part of owning a club he actually signed up. There could be a CFU draw for 2 adult/2 child season tickets, that would probably gain us 100 casual fans or 'gamblers' that perhaps cant afford ST for the family. So many avenues, not enough action. I'll be honest, i'm a member and don't really know if there are any things like this in place already.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 15:18:51 GMT
Some CFU members are doing more to break up the unity of this club than any of the events that have happened so far. Well done you holier than thou tossers! By suggesting you pay a £1 a month to have a vote Im breaking up the unity in the club? There is room for everybody at CFC. If you dont want to pay the (paltry) membership fee for CFU then that is your choice. But please then dont moan you cant watch the members meeting? Cant see how that is a threat to unity? EDIT - seen your post above. Im the same, fraught with it all to be honest.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jan 25, 2018 15:28:59 GMT
I didn't say divisive would help. Both sides of the CFU argument are harming the club. You're a member or you're not. If you are, you get rights that you've paid for. If you're not, it doesn't make you a bad supporter. CFU member, but would still agree with this. Now isn't the time to be divisive, as Oaks stated, but in stating that it contradicts the point. We are being exactly that by only letting CFU members be involved. If anything, today is an opportunity to engage new faces and be gaining membership numbers on the door, but by giving people the option to attend regardless, not a closed door unless you sign up here and now job. It's what i would argue is a divisive meeting, despite being a CFU member myself. If people are really that interested to want to attend a members meeting then why on earth wouldn't they sign up on the door?
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Post by sqzl on Jan 25, 2018 15:36:58 GMT
CFU member, but would still agree with this. Now isn't the time to be divisive, as Oaks stated, but in stating that it contradicts the point. We are being exactly that by only letting CFU members be involved. If anything, today is an opportunity to engage new faces and be gaining membership numbers on the door, but by giving people the option to attend regardless, not a closed door unless you sign up here and now job. It's what i would argue is a divisive meeting, despite being a CFU member myself. If people are really that interested to want to attend a members meeting then why on earth wouldn't they sign up on the door? I guess my point is that we could do more to attract people and making events CFU exclusive may deter people when we want the opposite. I'm not complaining, as i said i am a member, but everyones personal circumstances are different. The amount of redundancies about at the moment are worrying and I know £12 isn't much to us perhaps, but to someone else it's their kids school dinners while they're on a job hunt etc.
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Post by franksalot on Jan 25, 2018 16:18:40 GMT
The whole point of my own post was meant to be that tonight's meeting is crucial to moving forward and possibly going a way to protecting the future of the club , something which has only recently started to be made clear , the precarious position we find our selves in. Surely we need as many interested people , fans , to be made aware , CFU members or not , of what we can do. Hopefully getting some new or old members back. Close the doors again after if you want that's your choice.
Were the very first meetings open to all ?
We need that spirit of being a Chester supporter from the early days. The "we won't let the club go" attitude and how we all felt as our club grew from an idea to a team , we'll do it by working as one , everyone in it together
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Post by Imperial on Jan 25, 2018 18:22:25 GMT
I’m a member but tbh I probably won’t bother renewing, mainly because of this attitude that everyone should be. Fans of the vast majority of clubs are allowed to voice their opinions without being owners, why is it different at the Deva?
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