|
|
Post by gone4eva on Jan 24, 2018 22:53:00 GMT
Some very simple questions being posed by various posters on here - not on the 'tricky' stuff - but on how to engage with the meeting or attending.
One common thing is about the streaming of the meeting, we have a communications guru who manages to get 'buy the fanzine' posts on here, yet silence over if the process for seeing the meeting remotely will be changed for tomorrow night.
Another question on the bar, yes its pennies to be taken, but it is cash. Is it open? When from?
You are reading this. Why the bunker mentality from every single one of you even on the simple stuff?
|
|
|
|
Post by Si on Jan 24, 2018 23:00:00 GMT
Do you remember when the club were developing an official forum where you could ask questions etc? Never happened.
|
|
|
|
Post by canadianexile on Jan 25, 2018 2:43:49 GMT
The meeting will be streamed to CFU members only, although as they ask members expecting to stream a meeting for the first time to email some bloke at the club, I doubt how professional it is and would expect if the link was posted here, everyone else could listen without problems without them even knowing who shared the link.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 6:51:14 GMT
Why would you want to watch a stream of a members meeting of something you are not willing to pay £1 a month to be a member of?
If the content and outcome concern you so much then join?
|
|
|
|
Post by cfcforme on Jan 25, 2018 7:00:43 GMT
Some very simple questions being posed by various posters on here - not on the 'tricky' stuff - but on how to engage with the meeting or attending. One common thing is about the streaming of the meeting, we have a communications guru who manages to get 'buy the fanzine' posts on here, yet silence over if the process for seeing the meeting remotely will be changed for tomorrow night. Another question on the bar, yes its pennies to be taken, but it is cash. Is it open? When from? You are reading this. Why the bunker mentality from every single one of you even on the simple stuff? Don't know if it's still the case but I remember 'the club' (whoever that may be) had a policy of NOT using fans forums publically to engage with fans. And we're surprised that the average fan feels less a part of this 'community club' than ever.... I feel I know NWAS, Banksy and Simon Ollerenshaw more than any of the current board and from their sensible and passionate postings in here, i'd rejoin CFU and vote them into the board in aheartbeat. As opposed to the current board who I couldn't even name. Is almost like they feel that posting their views on here would show them up for who they really are. Then again if they aren't willing to sit in a meeting and tell us what they've been doing to help the club, why would I expect it on here? |
|
|
|
Post by franksalot on Jan 25, 2018 7:55:28 GMT
Surely if it was streamed and all Chester fans , not just CFU members were able to view the meeting , it would be a start to increasing awareness of our plight , not just rumour , and an increase in membership ?
Someone set up a Facebook page , share the name on here , interested parties friend request page and someone Facebook live the meeting ?
Is that doable ?
|
|
|
|
Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jan 25, 2018 7:58:56 GMT
Why would you want to watch a stream of a members meeting of something you are not willing to pay £1 a month to be a member of? If the content and outcome concern you so much then join? This, again, is what I don't understand. "I won't join THE CFU" (as if it's some sort of satanic cult) etc. It's the cost of a cup of tea at half time once a month, I really don't see the issue. If you truly wanted access to a members meeting, you'd become a member. |
|
|
|
Post by Lobster on Jan 25, 2018 8:43:01 GMT
Why would you want to watch a stream of a members meeting of something you are not willing to pay £1 a month to be a member of? If the content and outcome concern you so much then join? This, again, is what I don't understand. "I won't join THE CFU" (as if it's some sort of satanic cult) etc. It's the cost of a cup of tea at half time once a month, I really don't see the issue. If you truly wanted access to a members meeting, you'd become a member. It's just immaturity really, isn't it? Part of a chip-on-shoulder attitude some people are born with. |
|
|
|
Post by franksalot on Jan 25, 2018 8:47:32 GMT
The reason for my post was to try and get the message , as it's relayed to as wide an audience as possible for those who are interested. Possibly lapsed members or maybe even new blood ?
I understand what you're saying about £12 NWAS but we need more people engaged with the club and CFU if we are to raise awareness and cold hard cash
|
|
|
|
Post by devadiva on Jan 25, 2018 9:03:55 GMT
The reason for my post was to try and get the message , as it's relayed to as wide an audience as possible for those who are interested. Possibly lapsed members or maybe even new blood ? I understand what you're saying about £12 NWAS but we need more people engaged with the club and CFU if we are to raise awareness and cold hard cash Isn’t the £12 cold hard cash?! At this point in time every little counts - freeloading is hardly going to help the club at the moment. |
|
|
|
Post by Derry Blue on Jan 25, 2018 9:52:34 GMT
Why would you want to watch a stream of a members meeting of something you are not willing to pay £1 a month to be a member of? If the content and outcome concern you so much then join? We're you concerned on another thread about "splits" "when unity is needed". Make up your mind. |
|
|
|
Post by cfcforme on Jan 25, 2018 10:02:38 GMT
Why would you want to watch a stream of a members meeting of something you are not willing to pay £1 a month to be a member of? If the content and outcome concern you so much then join? This, again, is what I don't understand. "I won't join THE CFU" (as if it's some sort of satanic cult) etc. It's the cost of a cup of tea at half time once a month, I really don't see the issue. If you truly wanted access to a members meeting, you'd become a member. This "its only £12 a year, again.....  For me, and probably many others, its nothing to do with the cost. If I was going to join and it was £100 a year, i'd still join. I was a member right from the start and signed up all my family. A few years ago my membership lapsed and I saw so little of the "Community Club" ethos from the board that I didn't bother renewing my membership. Its got no better since unfortunately so no incentive to rejoin. I know i'll get all this "you can't change it if you're not a member" comments but the truth is, if my favourite restaurant is terrible one time, I let the owner know and hopefully next time I go its back to its normal fantastic self... if not then i'm not going to keep going back and having terrible food and no-one caring that I think its terrible..... To be honest the fact that I am exiled and rarely get to any games now doesn't help, but I still seem to spend hours per week on here catching up on the club's goings on so there is still some blue in the blood.... So based on all of the above, i'm not a member but I still care deeply about the club and I want it to survive and thrive. Hell if we get relegated i'd probably have more local away matches to get to on my doorstep (although don't think for one second that I want us to be relegated)..... but for me in recent years, I felt less an "owner" and more a supporter, just a paying customer, much as I did in the Smith / Vaughan eras (although i'm certainly not comparing fan ownership to those two muppets and I 100% support the ethos of the club, I just need something to inspire me to rejoin CFU and the recent boards haven't done that, and strangely have put us in the shit big time..... |
|
|
|
Post by richard on Jan 25, 2018 10:19:51 GMT
This, again, is what I don't understand. "I won't join THE CFU" (as if it's some sort of satanic cult) etc. It's the cost of a cup of tea at half time once a month, I really don't see the issue. If you truly wanted access to a members meeting, you'd become a member. This "its only £12 a year, again..... For me, and probably many others, its nothing to do with the cost. If I was going to join and it was £100 a year, i'd still join. I was a member right from the start and signed up all my family. A few years ago my membership lapsed and I saw so little of the "Community Club" ethos from the board that I didn't bother renewing my membership. Its got no better since unfortunately so no incentive to rejoin. I know i'll get all this "you can't change it if you're not a member" comments but the truth is, if my favourite restaurant is terrible one time, I let the owner know and hopefully next time I go its back to its normal fantastic self... if not then i'm not going to keep going back and having terrible food and no-one caring that I think its terrible..... To be honest the fact that I am exiled and rarely get to any games now doesn't help, but I still seem to spend hours per week on here catching up on the club's goings on so there is still some blue in the blood.... So based on all of the above, i'm not a member but I still care deeply about the club and I want it to survive and thrive. Hell if we get relegated i'd probably have more local away matches to get to on my doorstep (although don't think for one second that I want us to be relegated)..... but for me in recent years, I felt less an "owner" and more a supporter, just a paying customer, much as I did in the Smith / Vaughan eras (although i'm certainly not comparing fan ownership to those two muppets and I 100% support the ethos of the club, I just need something to inspire me to rejoin CFU and the recent boards haven't done that, and strangely have put us in the shit big time..... I'm sorry, but your favourite restaurant comparison does not wash. If you owned the restaurant, you would have a vested interest in changing things to make it better. £12 pounds a year is nothing to be a part owner and influencer in a football club. If anything it should be much more expensive. We under sell the principle of supporter ownership and to argue that while not a member you should enjoy the ability to watch the meeting stream further dilutes any membership benefits. It's easy, join up and be heard. You are very valuable to us as a supporter and customer if you choose not to be an owner, but I can't see why you wouldn't join. |
|
|
|
Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jan 25, 2018 11:02:34 GMT
This, again, is what I don't understand. "I won't join THE CFU" (as if it's some sort of satanic cult) etc. It's the cost of a cup of tea at half time once a month, I really don't see the issue. If you truly wanted access to a members meeting, you'd become a member. This "its only £12 a year, again..... For me, and probably many others, its nothing to do with the cost. If I was going to join and it was £100 a year, i'd still join. I was a member right from the start and signed up all my family. A few years ago my membership lapsed and I saw so little of the "Community Club" ethos from the board that I didn't bother renewing my membership. Its got no better since unfortunately so no incentive to rejoin. I know i'll get all this "you can't change it if you're not a member" comments but the truth is, if my favourite restaurant is terrible one time, I let the owner know and hopefully next time I go its back to its normal fantastic self... if not then i'm not going to keep going back and having terrible food and no-one caring that I think its terrible..... To be honest the fact that I am exiled and rarely get to any games now doesn't help, but I still seem to spend hours per week on here catching up on the club's goings on so there is still some blue in the blood.... So based on all of the above, i'm not a member but I still care deeply about the club and I want it to survive and thrive. Hell if we get relegated i'd probably have more local away matches to get to on my doorstep (although don't think for one second that I want us to be relegated)..... but for me in recent years, I felt less an "owner" and more a supporter, just a paying customer, much as I did in the Smith / Vaughan eras (although i'm certainly not comparing fan ownership to those two muppets and I 100% support the ethos of the club, I just need something to inspire me to rejoin CFU and the recent boards haven't done that, and strangely have put us in the shit big time..... Fair enough mate, you're talking about valued reasons to feel better about joining CFU and I agree we have to offer something more than "you own your club" and I've said as much in the past (e.g. CFU members getting discounts etc with local services etc). I'm not one for the high and mighty "better fan" talk personally, we barely have enough supporters as it is so what's the point in all that arguing? As Richard points out though, and as you have said yourself, the way our model works means you can't change things from the outside. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 11:16:33 GMT
The last thing in the world I advocate the "Im a better supporter than you" argument.
But the beauty of the £12 membership is that for just £12 you have as much right to effect change as the bloke from MBNA, the bloke who owns a car dealership or the lady who has made a million in retail.
The restaurant one is a good argument, but when the restaurant becomes really succesful the owner takes all his profit, sells up to a chain and vanishes over the horizon. Your restaurant becomes a Sizzler and you start lose it.
As a supporter owned club every penny of profit made goes back in. As a member you get a say on things that affect you and your club, if it is practicable you can stand for the board and even as an exile can watch and comment on the meetings AGMs etc.
Again to use your restaurant analogy, if the new chef is rubbish, you can do nothing about it. When you have a share you get a say. Not being a member in protest to how it is being run is very much doing the opposite. It is stopping you having a hand in enforcing change.
Only 250 people voted in the last AGM. Where are we now?
|
|
|
|
Post by norwegianblue on Jan 25, 2018 11:30:42 GMT
This "its only £12 a year, again..... For me, and probably many others, its nothing to do with the cost. If I was going to join and it was £100 a year, i'd still join. I was a member right from the start and signed up all my family. A few years ago my membership lapsed and I saw so little of the "Community Club" ethos from the board that I didn't bother renewing my membership. Its got no better since unfortunately so no incentive to rejoin. I know i'll get all this "you can't change it if you're not a member" comments but the truth is, if my favourite restaurant is terrible one time, I let the owner know and hopefully next time I go its back to its normal fantastic self... if not then i'm not going to keep going back and having terrible food and no-one caring that I think its terrible..... To be honest the fact that I am exiled and rarely get to any games now doesn't help, but I still seem to spend hours per week on here catching up on the club's goings on so there is still some blue in the blood.... So based on all of the above, i'm not a member but I still care deeply about the club and I want it to survive and thrive. Hell if we get relegated i'd probably have more local away matches to get to on my doorstep (although don't think for one second that I want us to be relegated)..... but for me in recent years, I felt less an "owner" and more a supporter, just a paying customer, much as I did in the Smith / Vaughan eras (although i'm certainly not comparing fan ownership to those two muppets and I 100% support the ethos of the club, I just need something to inspire me to rejoin CFU and the recent boards haven't done that, and strangely have put us in the shit big time..... I'm sorry, but your favourite restaurant comparison does not wash. If you owned the restaurant, you would have a vested interest in changing things to make it better. £12 pounds a year is nothing to be a part owner and influencer in a football club. If anything it should be much more expensive. We under sell the principle of supporter ownership and to argue that while not a member you should enjoy the ability to watch the meeting stream further dilutes any membership benefits. It's easy, join up and be heard. You are very valuable to us as a supporter and customer if you choose not to be an owner, but I can't see why you wouldn't join. Spot on Richard. We are not voiceless, paying customers supporting a club under a Chairman such as Barnes, Guterman, Smith, V*****n. CFU member or not, it's OUR club and we have something special thanks to a lot of good people building it. Some that are no longer with us. |
|
|
|
Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 25, 2018 12:17:44 GMT
Just pay the 12 quid you cheapskates and get on with it
I'm bored of these stupid arguements that people don't want to join because of x, y or z.
You will never have a say unless you join, so just do it
|
|
|
|
Post by The Angry Agenda on Jan 25, 2018 12:37:36 GMT
Why would you want to watch a stream of a members meeting of something you are not willing to pay £1 a month to be a member of? If the content and outcome concern you so much then join? Maybe just maybe, by making it available to all a few of the doubters will tune in and realise that it's actually of benefit to join, or see what a mess we're in and think I'll join and do my bit. Tonight is a bit different to people talking about how much a Coffee is in the away end, and it's got a lot more interest than the usual meetings, so I can see making the stream available to non members doing no harm, and if it even gets 1 new member to sign up then its served its purpose. |
|
|
|
Post by Captain Duff on Jan 25, 2018 12:41:55 GMT
Just pay the 12 quid you cheapskates and get on with it I'm bored of these stupid arguements that people don't want to join because of x, y or z. You will never have a say unless you join, so just do it I've been an active trade unionist all my life. Wherever I've worked I've normally ended up being a rep and dealing with things on behalf of the members of that union. I still remember with frustration a place I worked at around 25 years ago, I got union membership from around 30% to 98% within six months and some hard work in recruiting and arguing and then started turning things around in terms of conditions etc. But there was one bloke who always refused to join. No problem, free country and all that, but the bizarre thing was he never stopped moaning about the policies or pay rises that the union managed to negotiate and that he still benefited from. It was always how crap the union was for not doing better from someone who made no contribution to achieving better, who always scabbed on pay disputes but then happily pocketed the rise we got afterwards (while still moaning). I never got that mentality then, and I don't get it now with the attitude to CFU and having a say in who runs the club and the direction it goes in, but sometimes there is no reasoning with people... |
|
|
|
Post by norwegianblue on Jan 25, 2018 12:46:15 GMT
Just pay the 12 quid you cheapskates and get on with it I'm bored of these stupid arguements that people don't want to join because of x, y or z. You will never have a say unless you join, so just do it I've been an active trade unionist all my life. Wherever I've worked I've normally ended up being a rep and dealing with things on behalf of the members of that union. I still remember with frustration a place I worked at around 25 years ago, I got union membership from around 30% to 98% within six months and some hard work in recruiting and arguing and then started turning things around in terms of conditions etc. But there was one bloke who always refused to join. No problem, free country and all that, but the bizarre thing was he never stopped moaning about the policies or pay rises that the union managed to negotiate and that he still benefited from. It was always how crap the union was for not doing better from someone who made no contribution to achieving better, who always scabbed on pay disputes but then happily pocketed the rise we got afterwards (while still moaning). I never got that mentality then, and I don't get it now with the attitude to CFU and having a say in who runs the club and the direction it goes in, but sometimes there is no reasoning with people... I know what you mean having seen it during my time at BAe. That type is a person who wants everything for nothing. They load the bullets for others to stand up and fire them and duck when there is comeback. Selfish is the term. |
|
|
|
Post by canadianexile on Jan 25, 2018 12:47:21 GMT
Just pay the 12 quid you cheapskates and get on with it I'm bored of these stupid arguements that people don't want to join because of x, y or z. You will never have a say unless you join, so just do it you daft old bellend did you even read cfcforme's post? |
|
|
|
Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 25, 2018 12:49:02 GMT
I've been an active trade unionist all my life. Wherever I've worked I've normally ended up being a rep and dealing with things on behalf of the members of that union. I still remember with frustration a place I worked at around 25 years ago, I got union membership from around 30% to 98% within six months and some hard work in recruiting and arguing and then started turning things around in terms of conditions etc. But there was one bloke who always refused to join. No problem, free country and all that, but the bizarre thing was he never stopped moaning about the policies or pay rises that the union managed to negotiate and that he still benefited from. It was always how crap the union was for not doing better from someone who made no contribution to achieving better, who always scabbed on pay disputes but then happily pocketed the rise we got afterwards (while still moaning). I never got that mentality then, and I don't get it now with the attitude to CFU and having a say in who runs the club and the direction it goes in, but sometimes there is no reasoning with people... I know what you mean having seen it during my time at BAe. That type is a person who wants everything for nothing. They load the bullets for others to stand up and fire them and duck when there is comeback. Selfish is the term. In my view these people should be alienated, named and shamed if possible. No place for them here. Sad but true, it will inevitably come down to who wants to help the club and who just wants to moan and be counter-productive. |
|
|
|
Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 25, 2018 12:50:02 GMT
Just pay the 12 quid you cheapskates and get on with it I'm bored of these stupid arguements that people don't want to join because of x, y or z. You will never have a say unless you join, so just do it you daft old bellend did you even read cfcforme's post? It wasn't just aimed at cfcforme, it was aimed at all of you regardless of your excuse for not joining |
|
|
|
Post by canadianexile on Jan 25, 2018 13:06:51 GMT
In my view these people should be alienated, named and shamed if possible. No place for them here.Sad but true, it will inevitably come down to who wants to help the club and who just wants to moan and be counter-productive. "In my view all the cheapskates that can't be arsed joining the CFU should f**k off and stop supporting Chester." Brilliant. Well done. Shown yourself to be an absolute clown yet again. |
|
|
|
Post by franksalot on Jan 25, 2018 13:08:58 GMT
Hypothetically. So as a non CFU member who has paid a fair few pound in sponsorship I may not be deemed as worthy as knowing what is going on as a CFU who has paid £12 ?
This is the problem , for some reason a two tier club for supporters. Or that's how some could perceive it.
We really need to find a way of bridging the gap in the fan base because at the end of the day it's going to take CFU members and non members together to turn things round
|
|
|
|
Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 25, 2018 13:17:53 GMT
In my view these people should be alienated, named and shamed if possible. No place for them here.Sad but true, it will inevitably come down to who wants to help the club and who just wants to moan and be counter-productive. "In my view all the cheapskates that can't be arsed joining the CFU should f**k off and stop supporting Chester." Brilliant. Well done. Shown yourself to be an absolute clown yet again. They can carry on supporting for all i care, but they won't get much sympathy from me. Stop putting words down that i didn't say. I currently like the fact you have used CE username, and made it into a parody/fake account, and some of your banter is good, but i can quite easily go off people ;-) When will you be joining CFU? |
|
|
|
Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 25, 2018 13:19:00 GMT
Hypothetically. So as a non CFU member who has paid a fair few pound in sponsorship I may not be deemed as worthy as knowing what is going on as a CFU who has paid £12 ? This is the problem , for some reason a two tier club for supporters. Or that's how some could perceive it. We really need to find a way of bridging the gap in the fan base because at the end of the day it's going to take CFU members and non members together to turn things round You can bridge the gap by just paying the 12 quid. It's not science rocket Whether you support the board or not, you have zero say if you are not a member. EDIT: Maybe the club should implement a change, so sponsors are automatically enrolled in CFU for the duration of their sponsorship deal? |
|
|
|
Post by iandychesterfc on Jan 25, 2018 13:21:14 GMT
just don't do it online as there's something wrong with the SSL i think.
|
|
|
|
Post by Derry Blue on Jan 25, 2018 13:24:26 GMT
Some CFU members are doing more to break up the unity of this club than any of the events that have happened so far. Well done you holier than thou tossers!
|
|
|
|
Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 25, 2018 13:28:29 GMT
Some CFU members are doing more to break up the unity of this club than any of the events that have happened so far. Well done you holier than thou tossers! I'm just stating facts, if you don't pay the quid a month (A QUID A MONTH) then you are not a CFU member. It's simple My other points are my own views and shouldn't be a reflection on the entire CFU board or membership, but you know that already. |
|
