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Post by ctid on Feb 20, 2017 22:22:59 GMT
Why is he offering by the sounds of it the whole squad a new contract?
Does he not have any contacts to get new/better players in?
No way are Joyce Hudson George good enough for this level of football!
Bet they can't believe they've been offered new terms.
Everyone keeps saying what a great season we're having when does that stop? The way it's going be lower mid table.
With this squad next season be mid table again - Never going to progress the way we are going
Think it's naive to give him such a contact.
12 month rolling deal like someone else mentioned
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Post by Dodge on Feb 21, 2017 8:23:49 GMT
Why is he offering by the sounds of it the whole squad a new contract? Does he not have any contacts to get new/better players in? No way are Joyce Hudson George good enough for this level of football! Bet they can't believe they've been offered new terms. Everyone keeps saying what a great season we're having when does that stop? The way it's going be lower mid table. With this squad next season be mid table again - Never going to progress the way we are going Think it's naive to give him such a contact. 12 month rolling deal like someone else mentioned If McCarthy feels Hudson offers good value for money as a 3rd centre back behind Astles and whoever else then why let him go just to sign someone else who he doesn't know their strengths and weaknesses as well as Hudson's? Same goes for Joyce as a squad player to fill a gap, is three CMs enough and if not can you get better value for money than Joyce as a fourth? I don't know. I would say the same about George but suspect he's on a good wage. |
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Post by btb on Feb 21, 2017 11:12:20 GMT
Why is he offering by the sounds of it the whole squad a new contract? Does he not have any contacts to get new/better players in? No way are Joyce Hudson George good enough for this level of football! Bet they can't believe they've been offered new terms. Everyone keeps saying what a great season we're having when does that stop? The way it's going be lower mid table. With this squad next season be mid table again - Never going to progress the way we are going Think it's naive to give him such a contact. 12 month rolling deal like someone else mentioned If McCarthy feels Hudson offers good value for money as a 3rd centre back behind Astles and whoever else then why let him go just to sign someone else who he doesn't know their strengths and weaknesses as well as Hudson's? Same goes for Joyce as a squad player to fill a gap, is three CMs enough and if not can you get better value for money than Joyce as a fourth? I don't know. I would say the same about George but suspect he's on a good wage. Id keep Hudson. Ok, he's no Bobby Moore, and he knows this but he's a big unit and he can do a job. George for me has been a disaster. Out injured for the best part of last season. Suspended and injured for parts of this one and his return to the team has coupled with our poor form. And,as much as it pains me to say it, I've seen nothing in Joyce to suggest he can cut it at this level. there are some difficult decisions for JM to make. If he wants the team to progress then better players or players with more potential are needed. |
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Post by bluboy79 on Feb 21, 2017 11:31:05 GMT
Surely JM has to bin some players or he is going to be hamstrung by budget again ! George, Joyce, Horwood, Chappell and Richards are dead wood and need releasing ! We should be scouting Evostick, Welsh League, etc for gems. If we are to have a tight budget next season then we should make savings by looking at paid non playing staff, can we not have an assistant manager who is a goalkeeper who can sit on bench and coach ? What do paid staff do in day are they all needed ?
People keep saying we are having a great season ? We have been mediocre at best ! If this is a good season I dread to think what a bad one is like !
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Post by eyeswideopen on Feb 21, 2017 12:08:05 GMT
Ask Ryan Higgins whether he has that in him or not. Didn't he offer Higgins a new contract though? This was despite the fact that he was the worst player (Bar Hobson) last season. Constantly caught out of position, hospital backpasses and lack of physicality. If the club retain the likes of George, Durrell, Chappell, Joyce et al and have to let go of Lynch, Hughes and Alabi then I really do fear for us next season. McCarthy has to be ruthless in the closed season with the above named perpetrators of the recent demise. Higgins was certainly up there with the likes of Hunt and Shaw for being very poor last season.To JMs credit he has certainly turned Hunt and Shaw around this season. Whether he could do the same with Higgins, we will never know.JM saw Higgins as a squad player at best and made it clear this was the case, he offered him a take it or leave it deal and didn't go back when Higgins refused. So in answer to the question originally put, does JM have a ruthless streak in him , I would say yes he does when he needs to, but would much prefer the arm around the shoulder approach to getting the best out of players. As pointed out, we had the same conversations about Hunt, Shaw and Alabi last season along the lines of what on earth are we doing offering them a new contract etc.they have proved to be decent players this.Perhaps we will be having the same conversations next season about, Durrell, Joyce and Chappell, although as much as I think Kane Richards has the ability, his attitude stinks and I wont lose any sleep to see him go.
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Post by Jack on Feb 21, 2017 14:08:47 GMT
I'm a believer in continuity and the last thing I want to see is wholesale changes this season. You'd look very silly indeed if you didn't acknowledge the big leaps forward the team has taken this year. Yes, it's very easy to point at our poor run of form currently but we've developed a system that has allowed us to score goals and be relatively solid at the back. We are in a blip, but show me a team who don't have one in a season.
JM is clearly building something for the long term here and gets what we're about. We'd be fools to write him off because of a bad start at Maidstone. I can see an argument for binning off Chappell because I do feel we could get better value elsewhere, but other than that I'm happy enough. George hasn't done it consistently, but JM knows more about football than me and he's made him captain. Wade Joyce is a back up on very little money. He's a body in the squad, no issue with him being kept either.
Footballers improve by forging relationships. It's beyond melodramatic to demand we rip the squad up and start again because of a few sticky results.
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Post by billyw on Feb 21, 2017 18:18:37 GMT
I'm a believer in continuity and the last thing I want to see is wholesale changes this season. You'd look very silly indeed if you didn't acknowledge the big leaps forward the team has taken this year. Yes, it's very easy to point at our poor run of form currently but we've developed a system that has allowed us to score goals and be relatively solid at the back. We are in a blip, but show me a team who don't have one in a season. JM is clearly building something for the long term here and gets what we're about. We'd be fools to write him off because of a bad start at Maidstone. I can see an argument for binning off Chappell because I do feel we could get better value elsewhere, but other than that I'm happy enough. George hasn't done it consistently, but JM knows more about football than me and he's made him captain. Wade Joyce is a back up on very little money. He's a body in the squad, no issue with him being kept either. Footballers improve by forging relationships. It's beyond melodramatic to demand we rip the squad up and start again because of a few sticky results. I don't disagree with you Jack but the nagging thought with me, and. I'm sure some other fans is whether our earlier performances were down to Macca or Sharps. We had a discipline and shape about us and conceded very few goals when Sharps was here, but that organisation hasn't been evident recently. Coincidence - perhaps. |
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Post by Anders on Feb 21, 2017 22:41:44 GMT
I'm a believer in continuity and the last thing I want to see is wholesale changes this season. You'd look very silly indeed if you didn't acknowledge the big leaps forward the team has taken this year. Yes, it's very easy to point at our poor run of form currently but we've developed a system that has allowed us to score goals and be relatively solid at the back. We are in a blip, but show me a team who don't have one in a season. JM is clearly building something for the long term here and gets what we're about. We'd be fools to write him off because of a bad start at Maidstone. I can see an argument for binning off Chappell because I do feel we could get better value elsewhere, but other than that I'm happy enough. George hasn't done it consistently, but JM knows more about football than me and he's made him captain. Wade Joyce is a back up on very little money. He's a body in the squad, no issue with him being kept either. Footballers improve by forging relationships. It's beyond melodramatic to demand we rip the squad up and start again because of a few sticky results. I don't disagree with you Jack but the nagging thought with me, and. I'm sure some other fans is whether our earlier performances were down to Macca or Sharps. We had a discipline and shape about us and conceded very few goals when Sharps was here, but that organisation hasn't been evident recently. Coincidence - perhaps. To be fair, he's stated a few times in the press that he was going to sort of abandon his tight disciplined approach to have a bit of a go at it for more wins, for me it just hasn't worked so we need to go back to basics to pick up some more points. Two quotes from him below: Macca – 9th Feb
“We didn’t deserve to lose either of those games and had we got what we deserved then we would have been three points off the play-offs and having a different conversation,” he said.
“But this is a group of players who are keen to impress and keep on improving and Saturday offers us the chance to bounce back and possibly kick start another little run from now until the end of the season. We’ve some tough tests to come, though.
“I’ve taken the reins off a little in the last few games in search of three points and we’ll see how far we get.”
Macca – 14th Feb
“We had a look at how we could improve, as we could’ve settled for 10th place, no problem. We’ve set up to try and win these games and to score more goals, and we have scored more, but we’ve conceded a similar amount which doesn’t convert what we’re doing into results,” the 46-year-old said.
“Maybe we have to go back on that and recognise we’re not quite at that level yet. But I make no apologies for trying to find a route into the top eight and that’s all we’ve been doing.
“We have to go back and make sure we get ourselves safe first of all, and then I’ll learn and try to find a different way.
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Post by EddieBishopsquiff on Feb 22, 2017 9:22:55 GMT
Set up to try and win these games?? With one lone striker, no width and defenders playing out of position!
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Post by The Angry Agenda on Feb 22, 2017 10:01:06 GMT
Set up to try and win these games?? With one lone striker, no width and defenders playing out of position! Beat me to it... it's been like having Burr back in charge recently - only thing missing is the 23 loan players  |
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Post by sqzl on Feb 22, 2017 10:40:36 GMT
The fact their centre back told Richards he should have started thw game at FT, tells you everything about the game. I take it their CB hasn't seen Richards play much lately. How he's played lately doesn't matter. He's our only option as a second striker and offers pace in behind which nobody else in the squad can. I'm not suggesting we play him no matter what, but if we go back to basics with a 442, i see no better options. |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Feb 22, 2017 12:58:47 GMT
I take it their CB hasn't seen Richards play much lately. How he's played lately doesn't matter. He's our only option as a second striker and offers pace in behind which nobody else in the squad can. I'm not suggesting we play him no matter what, but if we go back to basics with a 442, i see no better options. To be fair when he came on in the 2nd half on saturday I thought he played well freed up Alabi who looked sharper and gave their fulllback a tough time and had some good runs yes there were some mistakes from him and he really should have scored but hes a young lad and this is the National league if he didnt make some mistakes he wouldnt be here. I think he has potential and would certainly be on my list to retain. I have only seen him once though so feel free to shoot me down but as I have said he has potential IMO |
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Post by Krankie's Ghost on Feb 22, 2017 13:30:55 GMT
Say what you want about Richards, when he plays the other team are scared (or at least wary) of him and his pace. As the above poster has said, this then gives Alabi more room.
Without Richards everything in in front of a team which is much easier to defend. With Durrell coming inside only Shaw provided any bursts beyond Alabi vs Gateshead.
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Post by billyw on Feb 22, 2017 13:33:18 GMT
How he's played lately doesn't matter. He's our only option as a second striker and offers pace in behind which nobody else in the squad can. I'm not suggesting we play him no matter what, but if we go back to basics with a 442, i see no better options. To be fair when he came on in the 2nd half on saturday I thought he played well freed up Alabi who looked sharper and gave their fulllback a tough time and had some good runs yes there were some mistakes from him and he really should have scored but hes a young lad and this is the National league if he didnt make some mistakes he wouldnt be here. I think he has potential and would certainly be on my list to retain. I have only seen him once though so feel free to shoot me down but as I have said he has potential IMO As Kane is nearly 23, I think he is one of those players who shows early potential but doesn't develop into the finished article. He is quick and can cause problems to any defence but I'm not sure whether he is any better than he was 2 years ago and as his attitude is not the best, it is a decision for McCarthy whether he warrants anew contract. i do think though that he must play on Saturday simply because he is our one of our two recognised strikers which reflects the threadbare state the club is in. Surely there must be a club willing to lend us a young striker foc to give him game time. I wonder whether we have asked. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Feb 22, 2017 17:36:11 GMT
Set up to try and win these games?? With one lone striker, no width and defenders playing out of position! Sorry sanders, the above quote is spot on unfortunately! Macca talks the talk there but actions speak louder than words and his actions appear to have been the complete opposite of those words of late. |
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Post by Anders on Feb 22, 2017 17:52:37 GMT
Set up to try and win these games?? With one lone striker, no width and defenders playing out of position! Sorry sanders, the above quote is spot on unfortunately! Macca talks the talk there but actions speak louder than words and his actions appear to have been the complete opposite of those words of late. I know what system we’ve been playing. I've seen in the last month that we’ve been a bit more open and not as disciplined tactically. Take Shaw for example, I know he's been pushed forward but in recent weeks he's been like a headless chicken just going out running around after the ball until he gets tired. I think in some respect he’s tried to make up for it by playing both George and Joyce, but for me, they aren’t good enough. |
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Post by sirfred on Feb 22, 2017 20:18:57 GMT
Come on we need to get real here we are heading for a bottom 6 finish here we are clinging on to 12th and if I expect we get beat by Southport then that will be 4 points from 27 it's garbage I'm afraid - great season my hairy Arse - To give that squad new contracts will just turn even more fans away - we need fresh bloody faces to get us all interested again
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Post by Dodge on Feb 23, 2017 13:50:34 GMT
Come on we need to get real here we are heading for a bottom 6 finish here we are clinging on to 12th and if I expect we get beat by Southport then that will be 4 points from 27 it's garbage I'm afraid - great season my hairy Arse - To give that squad new contracts will just turn even more fans away - we need fresh bloody faces to get us all interested again You speak like you're speaking for everyone but I can assure you that you're not - if I've learned anything from the last few seasons it's that a high squad turnover doesn't do you any favours so the last thing I want to see is 15 new players next season. Regardless of your opinion on this season, Macca is clearly a good coach and it's going to be easier for him to get the best out of players whom he knows their strengths and weaknesses, as opposed to "fresh bloody faces". Out of interest, which players would be on your retained list as it stands? |
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Post by Oaks Blue on Feb 23, 2017 13:56:16 GMT
Come on we need to get real here we are heading for a bottom 6 finish here we are clinging on to 12th and if I expect we get beat by Southport then that will be 4 points from 27 it's garbage I'm afraid - great season my hairy Arse - To give that squad new contracts will just turn even more fans away - we need fresh bloody faces to get us all interested again Sir Fred, You are one silly man Thanks Oaks Blue |
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Post by sqzl on Feb 23, 2017 16:25:38 GMT
To be fair when he came on in the 2nd half on saturday I thought he played well freed up Alabi who looked sharper and gave their fulllback a tough time and had some good runs yes there were some mistakes from him and he really should have scored but hes a young lad and this is the National league if he didnt make some mistakes he wouldnt be here. I think he has potential and would certainly be on my list to retain. I have only seen him once though so feel free to shoot me down but as I have said he has potential IMO As Kane is nearly 23, I think he is one of those players who shows early potential but doesn't develop into the finished article. He is quick and can cause problems to any defence but I'm not sure whether he is any better than he was 2 years ago and as his attitude is not the best, it is a decision for McCarthy whether he warrants anew contract. i do think though that he must play on Saturday simply because he is our one of our two recognised strikers which reflects the threadbare state the club is in. Surely there must be a club willing to lend us a young striker foc to give him game time. I wonder whether we have asked. I tend to agree with points from both of you, i don't think he will ever be the finished article but i do think he will make a decent conference striker. Alabi certainly seems to play better with him, than without, which is important for the team. Must say though, although i think he has a temperament issue, he's clearly passionate and wants to play for us, does great community work and is still young. |
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Post by eyeswideopen on Feb 23, 2017 19:24:31 GMT
Come on we need to get real here we are heading for a bottom 6 finish here we are clinging on to 12th and if I expect we get beat by Southport then that will be 4 points from 27 it's garbage I'm afraid - great season my hairy Arse - To give that squad new contracts will just turn even more fans away - we need fresh bloody faces to get us all interested again Sir Fred, You are one silly man Thanks Oaks Blue Anyone else get the feeling sirfred could be barney Daniels in a past life |
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Post by sirfred on Feb 23, 2017 20:48:22 GMT
Ok in reply I'm not a silly billy or a silly Barney just a realist who can see it going tits up and acknowledging it - I've supported the Club for years and can sensed this downturn for the last 3 months - Macca obviously doesn't just keeps saying we are good enough - I heard him on Dee106 saying we are a much better team than Maidstone after the drubbing - I'm sorry but he should admit we went good enough and admit there are problems instead of constantly purring about early season form - for the record of this squad I would get rid of the following players - Roberts- Hudson -George-Joyce-Marsh-Chapple-richards - and as I said bring some fresh bloody faces-
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Post by iandychesterfc on Feb 24, 2017 13:56:14 GMT
Macca said our league position shows we are a better team than Maidstone.
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Post by Derry Blue on Feb 24, 2017 21:06:20 GMT
Macca said our league position shows we are a better team than Maidstone. He needs to enjoy our league position while he can. |
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