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Post by cooperman on Feb 19, 2017 12:21:59 GMT
is it time to possibly consider a different option51%=49% ?
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fan owned
Feb 19, 2017 12:33:10 GMT
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Post by Al on Feb 19, 2017 12:33:10 GMT
No.
We all bought into 100% fan ownership.
I still believe in the model, we just need to get a bit bloody smarter and be more forward thinking with how the club tries to appeal itself to the local and wider area. Regards pricing, advertising and fundraising.
Enough ideas along those lines have been submitted by members on old and new forums, but I am yet to see them bear fruit.
We have less than 2 weeks to plug the crap out of the Tranmere game with our local and wider community. I'm yet to see initiatives launched to try and entice people down. Will it be a last minute rush job again?
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Post by billyw on Feb 19, 2017 12:55:10 GMT
is it time to possibly consider a different option51%=49% ? Unless it's a loyal supporter who won the lottery, I don't think anyone would want to invest, as there is nothing to invest in. The fan owned model is fine in principle but in order for it to succeed you need fans and we clearly don't have a fanbase to ensure the club is sustainable at a reasonable level. |
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Post by Hannibal on Feb 20, 2017 20:22:22 GMT
Have any teams without outside investment ever won promotion to the FL?
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Post by richard on Feb 20, 2017 20:37:29 GMT
is it time to possibly consider a different option51%= Hell would freeze over before I would ever vote to dilute the 100 per cent that we own as CFU members I believe Exeter sold a minority share and it meant that the fans effectively lost control. Not sure if that is still the case there, but if any lesson should be learned from our past it is that nobody will look after the club as well as we will, even though mistakes are made. |
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Post by Blue exile on Feb 20, 2017 20:45:47 GMT
After guttersnipe, coco and Vaughan this question should not even be raised...
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Post by border collie on Feb 20, 2017 23:24:34 GMT
After guttersnipe, coco and Vaughan this question should not even be raised... You forgot Barnes ,he was the one who really shafted us |
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Post by Captain Duff on Feb 21, 2017 13:13:51 GMT
Have any teams without outside investment ever won promotion to the FL? Depends what you mean. Has a 100% fan-owned club ever got promoted FL from the conference, yes is the simple answer (Wimbledon in 2011, and again to L1 last season). Does a club need some outside investment and good sponsorship to do this, yes, almost certainly, but please do not confuse that with getting rid of fan control, it is not an either/or situation. The more interesting question is how high a 100% fan-owned club can go. It is entirely possible to see L1 Wimbledon getting to the Championship, but after that the financial madness of the PL would likely indicate that currently only a Swansea solution (40% fan-ownership and a large presence on the board) is an option, but we'll see. Any Chester fan who lived and suffered through our last three owners, each worse than the one before, would be mad to want to risk a return to those days and risk another - and probably final - destruction of our club. I understand that for younger supporters this is not necessarily these days quite so obvious and clear, but we should never ever go back to private ownership in my opinion. |
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Post by Dodge on Feb 21, 2017 15:15:53 GMT
Have any teams without outside investment ever won promotion to the FL? Depends what you mean. Has a 100% fan-owned club ever got promoted FL from the conference, yes is the simple answer (Wimbledon in 2011, and again to L1 last season). Does a club need some outside investment and good sponsorship to do this, yes, almost certainly, but please do not confuse that with getting rid of fan control, it is not an either/or situation. The more interesting question is how high a 100% fan-owned club can go. It is entirely possible to see L1 Wimbledon getting to the Championship, but after that the financial madness of the PL would likely indicate that currently only a Swansea solution (40% fan-ownership and a large presence on the board) is an option, but we'll see. Any Chester fan who lived and suffered through our last three owners, each worse than the one before, would be mad to want to risk a return to those days and risk another - and probably final - destruction of our club. I understand that for younger supporters this is not necessarily these days quite so obvious and clear, but we should never ever go back to private ownership in my opinion.To be honest from experience it seems to be the opposite, older fans seem to struggle to come to grips with Chester being a mid-table Conference side more so than younger fans, as the older fans look back on the heady days of beating Leeds and playing in the League 1 equivalent and think that's where we should be. Whereas for younger fans like myself, all we've known is Conference football, 5 years of fighting relegation in League 2 and then the Evo-Stik leagues, so the prospect of Chester being an established mid-table Conference team isn't such an problem. I do however fear that as the years go by and generations pass, people will forget the agony that private ownership brought over the years and more and more will start to question the fan ownership model. The fact that people are already questioning it after 7 years speaks volumes. |
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Post by histsci on Feb 21, 2017 15:23:56 GMT
Depends what you mean. Has a 100% fan-owned club ever got promoted FL from the conference, yes is the simple answer (Wimbledon in 2011, and again to L1 last season). Does a club need some outside investment and good sponsorship to do this, yes, almost certainly, but please do not confuse that with getting rid of fan control, it is not an either/or situation. The more interesting question is how high a 100% fan-owned club can go. It is entirely possible to see L1 Wimbledon getting to the Championship, but after that the financial madness of the PL would likely indicate that currently only a Swansea solution (40% fan-ownership and a large presence on the board) is an option, but we'll see. Any Chester fan who lived and suffered through our last three owners, each worse than the one before, would be mad to want to risk a return to those days and risk another - and probably final - destruction of our club. I understand that for younger supporters this is not necessarily these days quite so obvious and clear, but we should never ever go back to private ownership in my opinion.To be honest from experience it seems to be the opposite, older fans seem to struggle to come to grips with Chester being a mid-table Conference side more so than younger fans, as the older fans look back on the heady days of beating Leeds and playing in the League 1 equivalent and think that's where we should be. Whereas for younger fans like myself, all we've known is Conference football, 5 years of fighting relegation in League 2 and then the Evo-Stik leagues, so the prospect of Chester being an established mid-table Conference team isn't such an problem. I do however fear that as the years go by and generations pass, people will forget the agony that private ownership brought over the years and more and more will start to question the fan ownership model. The fact that people are already questioning it after 7 years speaks volumes. Not sure it says much really. If we were privately owned there would, naturally, people on here (or maybe the old Deva Chat!) who would see fan ownership as the way forward. There are always dissenting views. In Chester's case fan ownership is the best option - why would a private individual want to invest in our club for? Not the same reasons those who entertain the option would want I bet. |
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Post by Dodge on Feb 21, 2017 15:40:14 GMT
To be honest from experience it seems to be the opposite, older fans seem to struggle to come to grips with Chester being a mid-table Conference side more so than younger fans, as the older fans look back on the heady days of beating Leeds and playing in the League 1 equivalent and think that's where we should be. Whereas for younger fans like myself, all we've known is Conference football, 5 years of fighting relegation in League 2 and then the Evo-Stik leagues, so the prospect of Chester being an established mid-table Conference team isn't such an problem. I do however fear that as the years go by and generations pass, people will forget the agony that private ownership brought over the years and more and more will start to question the fan ownership model. The fact that people are already questioning it after 7 years speaks volumes. Not sure it says much really. If we were privately owned there would, naturally, people on here (or maybe the old Deva Chat!) who would see fan ownership as the way forward. There are always dissenting views. In Chester's case fan ownership is the best option - why would a private individual want to invest in our club for? Not the same reasons those who entertain the option would want I bet. My point was that 6 years ago I doubt anyone was saying "fan ownership isn't the way to go, we should get a private investor to create a Phoenix club" nor as we stormed the Conference North were there any grumbles. Yet as we have found our level and stayed there for a few years more and more people are questioning it and I just worry that as the years go by and we inevitably stagnate in this league, the number of people wishing for investment could eventually outweigh those wanting fan ownership, because someone who is a kid now hasn't been through what the rest of us have been through under private ownership. The opening post talks about the 51/49% model like in Germany but as you say nobody would go for that with Chester because there's no money to be made. It's either full fan ownership or private ownership, and I just hope the majority continue to see fan ownership as the right model, even after potentially decades of non-league football. |
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Post by agl on Feb 21, 2017 16:17:34 GMT
I think the majority still support fan ownership but recognise the limitations.....I believe Wimbledon have some very wealthy benefactors, who are happy to donate to the club. Not aware we have anyone who falls into that category. The decline in attendances, although not as dramatic as some claim, is a worry. Being pessimistic, even maintaining our place in National League may be a struggle and National League North looks very strong currently. But what's the alternative....who in their right mind, other than an egomaniac, would want to run Chester? It's not going to be a money spinner. Inevitably, it will rely on us the fans digging into our own pockets and a good example of that is the current success of the small crowdfunder appeal that's currently running. I'd urge anyone who can to sign up for The Seals Lottery - there's obviously a chance of picking up a few quid (had a £500 win myself a few years back) or Squadbuilder which I think is still running. I also think there's some good work being done on the commercial side and hopefully we will see the benefits in terms of sponsorship etc. I hope we can also hang on the MBNA who have been great for the club.
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Post by BrianVoletrouserCBE on Feb 21, 2017 17:03:00 GMT
The club has reached it's ceiling of achievement under the current model.
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Post by dimps1 on Feb 21, 2017 20:16:40 GMT
I think that you need to start utilising your ground more . Try using the car park for a small local concert ,an all day affair .
If that works try a larger one and hopefully eventually use your ground.
You've got a great big space that is not being used.
Wrexham are trying to get this up and running and hopefully it will work . I see no reason to stop cfc doing something similar .
How many of your fans are going to Liverpool or Manchester to see gigs.take a chance on some of your local. Bandstry something like
Underneath the arches at froncysyllte which has grown and grown with. Just local groups .
Good luck
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