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Post by midfieldgeneral on Feb 1, 2018 12:15:45 GMT
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Post by wirralseal on Feb 1, 2018 12:36:04 GMT
Next first team manager?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2018 12:40:44 GMT
I know some people are divided but I think it would be great to have a local lad
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Post by wirralseal on Feb 1, 2018 12:44:32 GMT
I know some people are divided but I think it would be great to have a local lad Could potentially get the crowds back?
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Post by billyw on Feb 1, 2018 12:46:10 GMT
I'm not saying he couldn't do the job but managing a bunch of kids is completely different to managing professional players.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2018 12:48:37 GMT
I know some people are divided but I think it would be great to have a local lad Could potentially get the crowds back? Yeah, I think you need that enthusiasm every game and to get fans going!
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Post by wirralseal on Feb 1, 2018 12:49:45 GMT
I'm not saying he couldn't do the job but managing a bunch of kids is completely different to managing professional players. Totally get that but I think now is a perfect time to try it. Most are condemned to us going down and he is already a paid full time member of staff. If it doesn't work out by the end of the season then we haven't lost anything. Hes been in and around the environment for a while.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Feb 1, 2018 12:52:56 GMT
How do you propose we pay off Marcus Bignot with no money?
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Post by Hannibal on Feb 1, 2018 12:53:50 GMT
Not sure really.
What does he think? Could he be youth team manager/ first team assistant manager to gain senior experience?
I suppose if the next manager wants to bring his own assistant in that wouldn't be possible.
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Post by wirralseal on Feb 1, 2018 12:59:30 GMT
How do you propose we pay off Marcus Bignot with no money? As proposed on this previously, don't you think we could just put on gardening leave as we would paying exactly the same and then have someone who we could get behind?
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Post by Al on Feb 1, 2018 13:06:46 GMT
How do you propose we pay off Marcus Bignot with no money? As proposed on this previously, don't you think we could just put on gardening leave as we would paying exactly the same and then have someone who we could get behind? Ha so when the club needs to cut costs urgently you propose we spend more money!? IMHO it's ridiculous. We've got to get through this crisis now till the end of the season, and Marcus is the man we have unless he decides to walk away. IF he walked away (after all he did say at November CFU meeting he "doesn't need this job") then I would ask GB to come in till end of the season and then either go for him or Parkinson at Alty. I'm probably edging more to Parkinson long term tho.
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Post by Lobster on Feb 1, 2018 13:08:39 GMT
How do you propose we pay off Marcus Bignot with no money? As proposed on this previously, don't you think we could just put on gardening leave as we would paying exactly the same and then have someone who we could get behind? That person would want a salary that reflects being a first team manager. It's hardly fair on Calum to expect him to take up the role of manager for the same pay. What about Ross Thorpe? Do you put him on gardening leave as well? So does the new manager have to do without an assistant? More importantly, I think Calum is doing a great job with the kids and I'd hate to destabilise that my giving him the (at the moment) thankless and pretty insignificant role of first team manager for the next few months. How the first team is doing is bordering on irrelevant right now I think, we're not going to stay up and it's all about cutting costs.
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Post by wirralseal on Feb 1, 2018 14:04:30 GMT
As proposed on this previously, don't you think we could just put on gardening leave as we would paying exactly the same and then have someone who we could get behind? Ha so when the club needs to cut costs urgently you propose we spend more money!? IMHO it's ridiculous. We've got to get through this crisis now till the end of the season, and Marcus is the man we have unless he decides to walk away. IF he walked away (after all he did say at November CFU meeting he "doesn't need this job") then I would ask GB to come in till end of the season and then either go for him or Parkinson at Alty. I'm probably edging more to Parkinson long term tho. Why would we be spending more money? We could give it to calum till the end of the season on his current wage with a view to proving himself to getting the full time. There would be no more further expense. However, as you say there are more experienced options long term.
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Post by wirralseal on Feb 1, 2018 14:08:27 GMT
As proposed on this previously, don't you think we could just put on gardening leave as we would paying exactly the same and then have someone who we could get behind? That person would want a salary that reflects being a first team manager. It's hardly fair on Calum to expect him to take up the role of manager for the same pay. What about Ross Thorpe? Do you put him on gardening leave as well? So does the new manager have to do without an assistant? More importantly, I think Calum is doing a great job with the kids and I'd hate to destabilise that my giving him the (at the moment) thankless and pretty insignificant role of first team manager for the next few months. How the first team is doing is bordering on irrelevant right now I think, we're not going to stay up and it's all about cutting costs. I get that but i think he would jump at the chance to have an opportunity until the end of the season regardless of the wage. The first team will never become irrelevant to the whole club as attracting players to the academy will be harder in the conference. Many have said on here that we need to put faith in the youth because of lack of funds but if our first team are in free fall down the leagues then who is going to want to come.
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Post by gezzer on Feb 1, 2018 14:32:06 GMT
Ha so when the club needs to cut costs urgently you propose we spend more money!? IMHO it's ridiculous. We've got to get through this crisis now till the end of the season, and Marcus is the man we have unless he decides to walk away. IF he walked away (after all he did say at November CFU meeting he "doesn't need this job") then I would ask GB to come in till end of the season and then either go for him or Parkinson at Alty. I'm probably edging more to Parkinson long term tho. Why would we be spending more money? We could give it to calum till the end of the season on his current wage with a view to proving himself to getting the full time. There would be no more further expense. However, as you say there are more experienced options long term. Its a no from me. What if he doesn't prove himself? after having a shot at the "big time" will he want to just go back to the academy? We will potentially lose a very good academy manager which needs to be one of our focus' going forward in producing our future cash cows. Regarding next season we need a manager who can attract the right players with good local contacts, we already know that we will not be able to flash the cash. Craig Harrison for me
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Post by Lobster on Feb 1, 2018 14:38:04 GMT
That person would want a salary that reflects being a first team manager. It's hardly fair on Calum to expect him to take up the role of manager for the same pay. What about Ross Thorpe? Do you put him on gardening leave as well? So does the new manager have to do without an assistant? More importantly, I think Calum is doing a great job with the kids and I'd hate to destabilise that my giving him the (at the moment) thankless and pretty insignificant role of first team manager for the next few months. How the first team is doing is bordering on irrelevant right now I think, we're not going to stay up and it's all about cutting costs. I get that but i think he would jump at the chance to have an opportunity until the end of the season regardless of the wage. The first team will never become irrelevant to the whole club as attracting players to the academy will be harder in the conference. Many have said on here that we need to put faith in the youth because of lack of funds but if our first team are in free fall down the leagues then who is going to want to come. Fair points, but I can't agree that it's worthwhile. For me, this season is now about accepting that many mistakes have been made and being as sensible as possible over the next few months. There are too many risks involved with replacing Bignot, and taking a man out of a role he's doing very well in to fill in for him is not the answer for me. In a way, a nightmare situation would be for us to somehow stay up (such as by Hartlepool going bust) and then face another season at this level with depleted funds. If Tranmere or Wrexham or, god forbid, both of them go up, that would be a real pickle.
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Post by btb on Feb 1, 2018 16:06:52 GMT
Whilst I agree we can't sack Bignot, nor anybody else for that matter, I do see him as being part of the wider problem. He inherited a terrible situation to be fair to him. JM really did screw the club over with his recruitment and the contracts that he dished out. But I just don't see any inroads that he has made to solve any of these problems and in fact the situation has gotten worse. Two home wins is it? We need to get back to the community ethos that we once had. This bloke is from the midlands and all his contacts are in that area. I'd stick him on gardening leave and see if I could find somebody with expirience to work with Calum until the end of the season. That person would have to work for free of course. Play the few players that have shown up this season. The two year crew and extension crew can train alone and watch games from the stand. And the rest of the team will be made up of youth players. It's football suicide of course but what have we got to lose?
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Post by billyw on Feb 1, 2018 16:24:16 GMT
As proposed on this previously, don't you think we could just put on gardening leave as we would paying exactly the same and then have someone who we could get behind? That person would want a salary that reflects being a first team manager. It's hardly fair on Calum to expect him to take up the role of manager for the same pay. What about Ross Thorpe? Do you put him on gardening leave as well? So does the new manager have to do without an assistant? More importantly, I think Calum is doing a great job with the kids and I'd hate to destabilise that my giving him the (at the moment) thankless and pretty insignificant role of first team manager for the next few months. How the first team is doing is bordering on irrelevant right now I think, we're not going to stay up and it's all about cutting costs. Isn't Moore here as well or has he gone? Incidentally is Calum full-time or has he got another job?
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Post by Captain Duff on Feb 1, 2018 16:32:25 GMT
I think Calum is a class act, and his work and achievements with the youth team lads speak for themselves. It would b e great if he wants it himself for him to begin a senior managerial career here at some point (as an assistant initially I would suggest), but it is just daft to be punting for him to be our manager now when we are in such a serious state, talk about knocking someone's confidence and destroying a career before it has even began! I did worry about Tom Shaw for the same reasons although we had no choice but for him to carry on as caretaker (but some people forget that after an initial bounce performances and results before MB was appointed were again rubbish). As for MB, I honestly feel sorry for him given the crock he has inherited that is so much worse than even he would have expected at the time he applied. I'm for giving the lad a fair go, although until we get some semblance of a budget back that is hardly even possible. But whatever the future where we are now is not his fault and I really hope he can be supported rather than attacked.
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Post by btb on Feb 1, 2018 16:33:15 GMT
That person would want a salary that reflects being a first team manager. It's hardly fair on Calum to expect him to take up the role of manager for the same pay. What about Ross Thorpe? Do you put him on gardening leave as well? So does the new manager have to do without an assistant? More importantly, I think Calum is doing a great job with the kids and I'd hate to destabilise that my giving him the (at the moment) thankless and pretty insignificant role of first team manager for the next few months. How the first team is doing is bordering on irrelevant right now I think, we're not going to stay up and it's all about cutting costs. Isn't Moore here as well or has he gone? Incidentally is Calum full-time or has he got another job? Calum is full time with some more on top. It was previously funded by Swetenham the chemist. Not sure about this season but I'd guess there is some sort of funding through the scholar programme.
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Post by navajo on Feb 1, 2018 17:54:19 GMT
I'm not saying he couldn't do the job but managing a bunch of kids is completely different to managing professional players. If those professional players are those youngsters, which is more and more Likely then why not? He obviously looks like he knows how to set up his side's and frankly football is a pretty simple game and good plans executed well can be devastating.
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Feb 1, 2018 19:10:08 GMT
Callum is too important to us in his role 8n the academy but the academy needs to dove tail with the first team. Some of the young lads should be sent on loan to the likes of Runcorn Town. so like Crawford they are ready for the first team when they return.
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