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Post by oldnotdecrepit on Feb 2, 2018 16:10:18 GMT
I’m sorry but I am impressed as anyone by response to the cause but I’m a little uncomfortable with the mass backslapping and Congratulations. What are we funding? Is it A club/pub where fans can go and have a chat or a professional football set up? I hope it’s the latter because I’m a supporter of a football club not a social club?!
If its a professional football club then the product is, at best, poor! Haven’t folk realised this is why we are in this mess? With a dynamic team pushing for play offs we’d be breaking even at least. While we continue to turn out poorly organised mismanaged first team full of players who don’t want to play for the manager the gates will continue to fall. However with a change of manager and some ambition the gates might rise and so would income and hopes for the future.
Chester was a Football League city but we’re now serving up Evo Stick fare. THE NEW BOARD HAVE TO LOOK AT WHATS HAPPENING TO THE FLAGSHIP TEAM. Where is our ambition? There are businesses in Chester (MaGuire has 30 lined up apparently) who would happily align themselves with a forward thinking club. Maybe sponsor a new manager? It would be excellent publicity for the business! We’ve had squad builder projects before, what about a Manager fund raiser. I don’t think anyone now thinks that Bignot is the answer to our prayers? I would happily donate some of my pension to a cause like that. I just want to see us having a go, not resigning to mediocrity. People around me pay £18 to attend a game and they are disappearing in their droves because of the quality of Football served up this season. We need more fans, not fewer! Let’s raise money by bringing the supporters back not just acknowledging their disappearance.
In conclusion, for folk that don’t agree with me that’s fine, I do respect and appreciate the other views, genuinely, but to those who think it acceptable to make very personal attacks and personal remarks about me, please don’t. You know who you are, I’m not naming and shaming. It’s not big and it’s not clever. Block me if you choose, that’s your prerogative but I’m old enough to be the grandfather of some on here and I’d hate to think you’d talk to your grandfather in the same way that you abuse me. We are allowed to disagree but personal abuse is too much, I have reported the posts and thank the moderators for their swift action.
Come on you Blues! Let’s at least try and stay in this Division..............
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Post by inthestand on Feb 2, 2018 17:17:12 GMT
i agree with a lot you say, as im not part of the social scene at the club either...firstly just to survive in this league we need either: luck, a financial backer or gates over 3500 constantly...we have neither...so its always going to be a struggle no matter what...that's why at least we should have good guidance behind the scenes...unfortunately..we haven't had that either....and add to that every atrocious manager that's been in place since NY. But we must fight all the way to keep our status in this league...because i believe we will just be another bottom six team in the next for years to come...and the product even poorer..its one big massive catch 22 situation ...We need to get another manager... that's absolutely crucial..but a lot luck will dictate if we do or don't get that right (its the same for all teams), then hopefully we can improve the product , and some of the stay-a-way fans just may return ...but to make this all happen...we must be more professional at boardroom level....because all the way through its been a total unprofessional embarrassing shambles...
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Post by Si on Feb 2, 2018 17:35:19 GMT
I think we have to show a bit of patience. The new faces on the board are going to have their work cut out to undo all the mismanagement over the last couple of years. We need to get through the short term and then establish a long term vision and what we can do to achieve it.
In all seriousness though, you would sacrifice some of your pension in order to get rid of a football manager.....really? If I was going to sacrifice any of the pension I’ve worked over the years to build I would never ever give away any it it unless it was family related. Not having a go, I just find that mindset really hard to digest.
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Post by thestanchion on Feb 2, 2018 17:54:23 GMT
I think we have to show a bit of patience. The new faces on the board are going to have their work cut out to undo all the mismanagement over the last couple of years. We need to get through the short term and then establish a long term vision and what we can do to achieve it. In all seriousness though, you would sacrifice some of your pension in order to get rid of a football manager.....really? If I was going to sacrifice any of the pension I’ve worked over the years to build I would never ever give away any it it unless it was family related. Not having a go, I just find that mindset really hard to digest. We are all giving money to the club, aren't we? |
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Post by Si on Feb 2, 2018 17:58:22 GMT
I think we have to show a bit of patience. The new faces on the board are going to have their work cut out to undo all the mismanagement over the last couple of years. We need to get through the short term and then establish a long term vision and what we can do to achieve it. In all seriousness though, you would sacrifice some of your pension in order to get rid of a football manager.....really? If I was going to sacrifice any of the pension I’ve worked over the years to build I would never ever give away any it it unless it was family related. Not having a go, I just find that mindset really hard to digest. We are all giving money to the club, aren't we? Not from my pension fund! |
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Post by billyw on Feb 2, 2018 18:10:37 GMT
We are all giving money to the club, aren't we? Not from my pension fund! I don't understand your point. If you're comfortably well off and receive a healthy pension, why not give financial support the club you love and own. |
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Post by oldnotdecrepit on Feb 2, 2018 18:38:55 GMT
I think we have to show a bit of patience. The new faces on the board are going to have their work cut out to undo all the mismanagement over the last couple of years. We need to get through the short term and then establish a long term vision and what we can do to achieve it. In all seriousness though, you would sacrifice some of your pension in order to get rid of a football manager.....really? If I was going to sacrifice any of the pension I’ve worked over the years to build I would never ever give away any it it unless it was family related. Not having a go, I just find that mindset really hard to digest. Thanks Big Si, I probably wasn’t clear but I would donate to a new fund if it were set up to support the appointment of a new manager. Paul Carden, Neil Redfearn, Mark Yates, Steve Watson, Richard Money and Graham Barrow were all overlooked for Bignot. I understand that the club still have to pay Bignot and can’t afford to pay another manager. I would contribute to funding any one of those others if they were appointed although obviously some are now unavailable. 100 people prepared to contribute £10 a week would fund a whole new professional management team! I reckon I could find 20 people prepared to commit to that. But also surely a local company would get huge publicity if they were to sponsor a new manager? I just find this “we’re stuck with Bignot” acceptance unnecessary. |
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Post by sirfred on Feb 2, 2018 19:47:25 GMT
I believe Bignot is the right man to take us forward he was dealt a shite hand do you think Dicky Dosh would have stayed NO - get behind Bignot and the Club you old git
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Post by Hannibal on Feb 2, 2018 21:42:04 GMT
Not from my pension fund! I don't understand your point. If you're comfortably well off and receive a healthy pension, why not give financial support the club you love and own. I thought that too, but didn't have the courage to say it. Donate Big Si, don't be a tight arse! |
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Post by oldnotdecrepit on Feb 2, 2018 22:51:22 GMT
I believe Bignot is the right man to take us forward he was dealt a shite hand do you think Dicky Dosh would have stayed NO - get behind Bignot and the Club you old git Sir Fred, take a bit of water with it. Bignot is clueless, Grimsby warned us and it’s come home to roost. He’s a large part of the reason we’re in this mess! Gates down, team down, club going down........ |
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Post by sirfred on Feb 2, 2018 23:00:46 GMT
I believe Bignot is the right man to take us forward he was dealt a shite hand do you think Dicky Dosh would have stayed NO - get behind Bignot and the Club you old git Sir Fred, take a bit of water with it. Bignot is clueless, Grimsby warned us and it’s come home to roost. He’s a large part of the reason we’re in this mess! Gates down, team down, club going down........ Nope not having it Mccarthy is solely responsible - A good Manager has come in with no budget terrible squad and is trying desperately to rectify and save us - get real you old fart |
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Post by oldnotdecrepit on Feb 2, 2018 23:50:05 GMT
Sir Fred, take a bit of water with it. Bignot is clueless, Grimsby warned us and it’s come home to roost. He’s a large part of the reason we’re in this mess! Gates down, team down, club going down........ Nope not having it Mccarthy is solely responsible - A good Manager has come in with no budget terrible squad and is trying desperately to rectify and save us - get real you old fart He’s signed 15 players. None of whom are any better than those he’s inherited. Better players are available for nothing. Next insult will be....? |
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Post by Oaks Blue on Feb 3, 2018 0:26:24 GMT
Nope not having it Mccarthy is solely responsible - A good Manager has come in with no budget terrible squad and is trying desperately to rectify and save us - get real you old fart He’s signed 15 players. None of whom are any better than those he’s inherited. Better players are available for nothing. Next insult will be....? This signed 15 players argument is really grating on me, how many of those were goal keepers and young loanees who were basically emergency players to fill the bench due to injuries and suspensions. I'd wager around half of them. Wind it in mate, it's a shite argument The fact is he couldn't offload players because no one would take them due to high wages given by the con artist of a manager he replaced. And he was put in an impossible position. And could you please tell me how we are supposed to sign better players than we already had when we haven't got a pot to piss in. You may be old not decrepit, but your understanding of an obvious situation tells me you're well past it |
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Post by dmcnally on Feb 3, 2018 0:26:39 GMT
Nope not having it Mccarthy is solely responsible - A good Manager has come in with no budget terrible squad and is trying desperately to rectify and save us - get real you old fart He’s signed 15 players. None of whom are any better than those he’s inherited. Better players are available for nothing. Next insult will be....? Bignot gets a summer and 450k to spend and we wouldn’t be in a relegation battle. |
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Post by everhopeful on Feb 3, 2018 3:01:26 GMT
Sir Fred, take a bit of water with it. Bignot is clueless, Grimsby warned us and it’s come home to roost. He’s a large part of the reason we’re in this mess! Gates down, team down, club going down........ Nope not having it Mccarthy is solely responsible - A good Manager has come in with no budget terrible squad and is trying desperately to rectify and save us - get real you old fart But doesn't it say on another thread that Bignot hasn't got much time for the U-19s who are doing so well at the moment? If this is true, it's even more reason to get rid of someone who has failed to do better than his predecessor. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 6:17:49 GMT
Nope not having it Mccarthy is solely responsible - A good Manager has come in with no budget terrible squad and is trying desperately to rectify and save us - get real you old fart But doesn't it say on another thread that Bignot hasn't got much time for the U-19s who are doing so well at the moment? If this is true, it's even more reason to get rid of someone who has failed to do better than his predecessor. James Jones and Tom Crawford have done alright since Bignot took charge I watched the youth team the other night, they were fantastic. In an ideal world they'd all get a shot, they deserve it, but it's not going to happen instantly. It's still a massive step up. For someone who doesn't care he's shown more confidence in our under 19 lads than any of our previous managers had. |
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Feb 3, 2018 6:23:50 GMT
I'm more than happy with the response by the club to last Thursday's meeting. The key thing has been most of those at fault stepping aside.
There will be no quick fix though, we must appreciate that. When a club has been so carelessly run for so long you can't expect an immmediate turn around in our fortunes on the pitch.
I'm confident we'll get there but remain astounded at the level of mis-management that the bizzare backing of JM was a mere symptom of.
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Post by gone4eva on Feb 3, 2018 12:22:13 GMT
I’m sorry but I am impressed as anyone by response to the cause but I’m a little uncomfortable with the mass backslapping and Congratulations. What are we funding? Is it A club/pub where fans can go and have a chat or a professional football set up? I hope it’s the latter because I’m a supporter of a football club not a social club?! If its a professional football club then the product is, at best, poor! Haven’t folk realised this is why we are in this mess? With a dynamic team pushing for play offs we’d be breaking even at least. While we continue to turn out poorly organised mismanaged first team full of players who don’t want to play for the manager the gates will continue to fall. However with a change of manager and some ambition the gates might rise and so would income and hopes for the future. Chester was a Football League city but we’re now serving up Evo Stick fare. THE NEW BOARD HAVE TO LOOK AT WHATS HAPPENING TO THE FLAGSHIP TEAM. Where is our ambition? There are businesses in Chester (MaGuire has 30 lined up apparently) who would happily align themselves with a forward thinking club. Maybe sponsor a new manager? It would be excellent publicity for the business! We’ve had squad builder projects before, what about a Manager fund raiser. I don’t think anyone now thinks that Bignot is the answer to our prayers? I would happily donate some of my pension to a cause like that. I just want to see us having a go, not resigning to mediocrity. People around me pay £18 to attend a game and they are disappearing in their droves because of the quality of Football served up this season. We need more fans, not fewer! Let’s raise money by bringing the supporters back not just acknowledging their disappearance. In conclusion, for folk that don’t agree with me that’s fine, I do respect and appreciate the other views, genuinely, but to those who think it acceptable to make very personal attacks and personal remarks about me, please don’t. You know who you are, I’m not naming and shaming. It’s not big and it’s not clever. Block me if you choose, that’s your prerogative but I’m old enough to be the grandfather of some on here and I’d hate to think you’d talk to your grandfather in the same way that you abuse me. We are allowed to disagree but personal abuse is too much, I have reported the posts and thank the moderators for their swift action. Come on you Blues! Let’s at least try and stay in this Division.............. This is a fantastic post and I feel we will raise the £50k with ease, as lets face it it is not huge, however it does not fix the wider issues. There is a window of positivity and engagement that needs to be exploited to the full in the manner you suggest. We are in the entertainment industry like it or not, with a timesink and effort required to watch and pay. |
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Post by chesterken on Feb 3, 2018 12:34:01 GMT
I’m sorry but I am impressed as anyone by response to the cause but I’m a little uncomfortable with the mass backslapping and Congratulations. What are we funding? Is it A club/pub where fans can go and have a chat or a professional football set up? I hope it’s the latter because I’m a supporter of a football club not a social club?! If its a professional football club then the product is, at best, poor! Haven’t folk realised this is why we are in this mess? With a dynamic team pushing for play offs we’d be breaking even at least. While we continue to turn out poorly organised mismanaged first team full of players who don’t want to play for the manager the gates will continue to fall. However with a change of manager and some ambition the gates might rise and so would income and hopes for the future. Chester was a Football League city but we’re now serving up Evo Stick fare. THE NEW BOARD HAVE TO LOOK AT WHATS HAPPENING TO THE FLAGSHIP TEAM. Where is our ambition? There are businesses in Chester (MaGuire has 30 lined up apparently) who would happily align themselves with a forward thinking club. Maybe sponsor a new manager? It would be excellent publicity for the business! We’ve had squad builder projects before, what about a Manager fund raiser. I don’t think anyone now thinks that Bignot is the answer to our prayers? I would happily donate some of my pension to a cause like that. I just want to see us having a go, not resigning to mediocrity. People around me pay £18 to attend a game and they are disappearing in their droves because of the quality of Football served up this season. We need more fans, not fewer! Let’s raise money by bringing the supporters back not just acknowledging their disappearance. In conclusion, for folk that don’t agree with me that’s fine, I do respect and appreciate the other views, genuinely, but to those who think it acceptable to make very personal attacks and personal remarks about me, please don’t. You know who you are, I’m not naming and shaming. It’s not big and it’s not clever. Block me if you choose, that’s your prerogative but I’m old enough to be the grandfather of some on here and I’d hate to think you’d talk to your grandfather in the same way that you abuse me. We are allowed to disagree but personal abuse is too much, I have reported the posts and thank the moderators for their swift action. Come on you Blues! Let’s at least try and stay in this Division.............. This is a fantastic post and I feel we will raise the £50k with ease, as lets face it it is not huge, however it does not fix the wider issues. There is a window of positivity and engagement that needs to be exploited to the full in the manner you suggest. We are in the entertainment industry like it or not, with a timesink and effort required to watch and pay. Hope people don’t think that when we reach the 50k mark that’s our problems over, that will just keep us going in the short term. We will need a lot more just to reach the end of the season, then we have to build our rainy day fund back up and try and improve the buget for next season a lot of work still to do. |
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Post by Rio The Ball Bag on Feb 3, 2018 12:35:32 GMT
This is a fantastic post and I feel we will raise the £50k with ease, as lets face it it is not huge, however it does not fix the wider issues. There is a window of positivity and engagement that needs to be exploited to the full in the manner you suggest. We are in the entertainment industry like it or not, with a timesink and effort required to watch and pay. Hope people don’t think that when we reach the 50k mark that’s our problems over, that will just keep us going in the short term. We will need a lot more just to reach the end of the season, then we have to build our rainy day fund back up and try and improve the buget for next season a lot of work still to do. W have roughly 2000 fans, 2500 when performing well, 3000 when near the top. I just can't see how we have raised this amount with this small fan base. |
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Post by Hannibal on Feb 3, 2018 13:23:07 GMT
Hope people don’t think that when we reach the 50k mark that’s our problems over, that will just keep us going in the short term. We will need a lot more just to reach the end of the season, then we have to build our rainy day fund back up and try and improve the buget for next season a lot of work still to do. W have roughly 2000 fans, 2500 when performing well, 3000 when near the top. I just can't see how we have raised this amount with this small fan base. People are very generous when they realise that their club is in imminent danger of folding. |
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Post by oldnotdecrepit on Feb 3, 2018 13:57:01 GMT
W have roughly 2000 fans, 2500 when performing well, 3000 when near the top. I just can't see how we have raised this amount with this small fan base. People are very generous when they realise that their club is in imminent danger of folding. The response is amazing especially when you think about the size of the fan base. I still worry about the gates though. 1400 last game, I can’t see that increasing, it is in danger of going down further as things stand which means more money needed to fill the increasing black hole. 1200 fans means we have to backfill about 1000 fans at each home game. How much does that equate to? I shudder to think. |
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Post by Lobster on Feb 3, 2018 14:04:55 GMT
People are very generous when they realise that their club is in imminent danger of folding. The response is amazing especially when you think about the size of the fan base. I still worry about the gates though. 1400 last game, I can’t see that increasing, it is in danger of going down further as things stand which means more money needed to fill the increasing black hole. 1200 fans means we have to backfill about 1000 fans at each home game. How much does that equate to? I shudder to think. Don't forget we've still to play Tranmere, which should bump the average up by a couple of hundred on its own. |
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Feb 3, 2018 14:38:31 GMT
Hope people don’t think that when we reach the 50k mark that’s our problems over, that will just keep us going in the short term. We will need a lot more just to reach the end of the season, then we have to build our rainy day fund back up and try and improve the buget for next season a lot of work still to do. W have roughly 2000 fans, 2500 when performing well, 3000 when near the top. I just can't see how we have raised this amount with this small fan base. If you take that 2000 hardcore and just say for the sake of argument they each donate £20 then that already gives you 40k - a huge chunk of the 50k. In actuality, I know some people who have donated a lot lot more than £20. 50k actually isn't that big of an ask when you have a few thousand committed fans - it's the long term picture that will be more challenging. |
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