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Post by Designer on Feb 16, 2018 16:36:16 GMT
As a moment of light relief I have noticed on the Flintshire CC Planning Website that under Planning No 057220, the planning application by Stagecoach UK Bus has been withdrawn. I am not sure if this a positive or negative in terms of cost benefit to the club.
Any ideas?
By asking this I am not asking for conspiracy theories on the subject, only evidenced based knowledge.
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Post by Matt on Feb 16, 2018 16:41:03 GMT
During the crisis meeting it was said the Bus Depot would be saving us 40k a year in rent. I think it’s something we need to hope that happens.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Feb 16, 2018 17:39:43 GMT
Not a conspiracy theory but presumably Maguire departing the club has killed this deal.
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Post by avfo on Feb 16, 2018 20:45:46 GMT
Club Statement
Chester Football Club can today announce that it has been confirmed to us that Stagecoach have withdrawn their interest in siting a depot on the club car park as they have identified an alternative site which better suits their requirements.
We thank them for their professionalism throughout their dealings with our club and wish them well.
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Post by gone4eva on Feb 16, 2018 20:49:17 GMT
Good.
The whole deal was not right in my book, and would not have been in the long term interests of us staying at our ground.
If we survive this episode will hopefully ensure greater transparency and questions being asked earlier in processes of things that could have long term impacts.
I also thought it was amateur hour at the extreme when the then, and still partial Board, outlined the ins and outs of the finances of the contracts before anything was agreed. It was a tinpot way of working.
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Post by poolepirate on Feb 16, 2018 21:52:58 GMT
its a disappointment to lose the stagecoach deal would have been a good regular source of income but whats done is done now lets make more use of the ground/car park for other events especially in the summer its a waste that it stands empty so much when events could be arranged and help with our finances
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Post by devablue on Feb 16, 2018 21:54:49 GMT
At least we won't be on the receiving end of any 'just a bus stop in chester' chants  |
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Post by paulinem on Feb 17, 2018 1:37:16 GMT
Good. The whole deal was not right in my book, and would not have been in the long term interests of us staying at our ground. If we survive this episode will hopefully ensure greater transparency and questions being asked earlier in processes of things that could have long term impacts. I also thought it was amateur hour at the extreme when the then, and still partial Board, outlined the ins and outs of the finances of the contracts before anything was agreed. It was a tinpot way of working. Totally agree. So relieved this is dead in the water now. I doubt it would have been as good a revenue winner as it sounded. I will be interested to find out their alternative site. |
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Post by hackett on Feb 17, 2018 5:05:25 GMT
Personally do not understand how the deal could be a bad thing for the club. The planning permission was to build on part of the car park and reinstate the lost spaces on land not currently occupied. It would have helped with rent, a possible sponser and maybe could have had a few buses used to get to the ground on matchdays from the station and town for both away fans and the rest of us.
A lost opportunity.
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Post by Al on Feb 17, 2018 7:51:13 GMT
Personally do not understand how the deal could be a bad thing for the club. The planning permission was to build on part of the car park and reinstate the lost spaces on land not currently occupied. It would have helped with rent, a possible sponser and maybe could have had a few buses used to get to the ground on matchdays from the station and town for both away fans and the rest of us. A lost opportunity. My thoughts exactly. People on here quick to complain why we're skint or unable to compete further up the table at this level etc etc then an opportunity with stagecoach presents itself where we'd get significant amount of money in each year (more than we'd get by holding car boot sales) which would basically pay our rent for us, yet people are aghast at it. We need to look at any opportunity to make the most of the land we have. This is a missed opportunity and I am disappointed we will miss out on a significant sum of money |
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Post by billyw on Feb 17, 2018 8:10:52 GMT
Personally do not understand how the deal could be a bad thing for the club. The planning permission was to build on part of the car park and reinstate the lost spaces on land not currently occupied. It would have helped with rent, a possible sponser and maybe could have had a few buses used to get to the ground on matchdays from the station and town for both away fans and the rest of us. A lost opportunity. Agreed. However some may want to dress this up, the fact is that we have lost a very healthy much needed annual income. Bad news. |
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Post by gezzer on Feb 17, 2018 9:55:24 GMT
Where one door closes, another opens.... For the more commercially aware amongst us, a big loss financially but the land around the ground is a cash cow just waiting to be exploited, fayres, circus, car meets, farmers markets, overnight truck stop, caravan site throughout summer?, car storage, 3g pitch, skate/bmx park.....
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Post by iandychesterfc on Feb 17, 2018 10:02:17 GMT
None of those things match the stagecoach deal.
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Post by tarvinblue on Feb 17, 2018 10:08:27 GMT
Murky Maguire had his slippery hands all over this deal. Not surprised that it has died a death within days of him leaving. On the surface, the deal may have looked good, but on the surface he looked a decent CEO as well. Delve deeper and suddenly you unearth a world of issues.
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Post by gezzer on Feb 17, 2018 10:10:23 GMT
None of those things match the stagecoach deal. Agreed. Deals like Stagecoach means lots of free money for little work, unfortunately we need to work hard for a lot less now. |
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Post by devadiva on Feb 17, 2018 10:56:50 GMT
Murky Maguire had his slippery hands all over this deal. Not surprised that it has died a death within days of him leaving. On the surface, the deal may have looked good, but on the surface he looked a decent CEO as well. Delve deeper and suddenly you unearth a world of issues. Please explain. One of the reasons we got onto the state we are in is that commercially we have behaved like amateurs. This was a golden opportunity for us both in initial cash and future income to better link the ground to the city centre to make it an easier destination for all to get to. Just because we are fan owned doesn’t mean we have to be numpties when it comes to running the club like the business it is and needs to be to generate the playing budget we all want. |
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Post by Deva Chanter on Feb 17, 2018 11:20:55 GMT
None of those things match the stagecoach deal. A 3G pitch would bring in more than £40,000 a year and be of use to the football club. That should be the long-term aim. |
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Post by superman on Feb 17, 2018 11:24:04 GMT
Looks like both parties have protected their own interests. The club have refused to sell short our assets and Stagecoach have found a better site at presumably lower cost. Disappointing to not have the projected income but these types of deal need to be right for both parties. Trying to link the breakdown of the deal to MM is laughable unless he is leasing his front garden to Stagecoach! Still some on here need to have a scapegoat for everything.
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Post by tarvinblue on Feb 17, 2018 11:24:17 GMT
Murky Maguire had his slippery hands all over this deal. Not surprised that it has died a death within days of him leaving. On the surface, the deal may have looked good, but on the surface he looked a decent CEO as well. Delve deeper and suddenly you unearth a world of issues. Please explain. One of the reasons we got onto the state we are in is that commercially we have behaved like amateurs. This was a golden opportunity for us both in initial cash and future income to better link the ground to the city centre to make it an easier destination for all to get to. Just because we are fan owned doesn’t mean we have to be numpties when it comes to running the club like the business it is and needs to be to generate the playing budget we all want. Do you know the details of the deal? Would you trust the groundwork of a CEO whose efforts, alongside the previous board, have taken us to the brink of going bust? I'm not denying that the deal may have been beneficial but not for one moment would I trust Maguire to have tied up the details in a way that would have looked anything other than good on the surface. |
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Post by Al on Feb 17, 2018 11:25:05 GMT
None of those things match the stagecoach deal. A 3G pitch would bring in more than £40,000 a year and be of use to the football club. That should be the long-term aim. How much will a 4G pitch cost? |
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Feb 17, 2018 11:27:23 GMT
A 3G pitch would bring in more than £40,000 a year and be of use to the football club. That should be the long-term aim. How much will a 4G pitch cost? However much it costs, we're returning to the fundraising club we always should have been. 3G pitch in five years, disabled access to the lounge in ten etc. |
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Post by Deva Chanter on Feb 17, 2018 11:37:27 GMT
A 3G pitch would bring in more than £40,000 a year and be of use to the football club. That should be the long-term aim. How much will a 4G pitch cost? About £500,000 - at least half of which could and should be met by grants and body funding. The other half, in my opinion, could quite reasonably be raised one of two ways: a) Via a community share scheme - Lewes FC raised £200,000 for their 3G pitch using one of these, Bath FC raised £350,000 to save their club through one - both are far smaller clubs than us with much less support b) Via a resolution passed at a CFU members meeting requiring the Board to ring-fence 5% of the club's income every season to be put into an infrastructure fund - this would raise circa £50,000 a year. |
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Post by trev on Feb 17, 2018 11:43:08 GMT
This also worrying as LK said at the January CFU Meeting the Stagecoach deal was one of the few financial "assets” the Club had, and apparently discussions were well advanced. To hear this has collapsed now and the planning application withdrawn must have come as a shock to the Club. But, I believe this was regarded as potential income and not create a another budgetary black hole. However as a result, and as an alterative way of helping secure the future of the Club, will we now be forced to consider more drastic options such negotiating with Leicester to cash in part of the Sam Hughes sell on clause? Perhaps the Board could provide an update of the current and forecasted medium term financial position, particularly given the impressive fundraising effort and the Alabi Settlement.
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Post by gezzer on Feb 17, 2018 14:11:14 GMT
How much will a 4G pitch cost? About £500,000 - at least half of which could and should be met by grants and body funding. The other half, in my opinion, could quite reasonably be raised one of two ways: a) Via a community share scheme - Lewes FC raised £200,000 for their 3G pitch using one of these, Bath FC raised £350,000 to save their club through one - both are far smaller clubs than us with much less support b) Via a resolution passed at a CFU members meeting requiring the Board to ring-fence 5% of the club's income every season to be put into an infrastructure fund - this would raise circa £50,000 a year. Well thought out response with 2 very workable solutions but as usual the negative posters (one of whom is on the Commercial working party) try to poo poo any suggestion made to help the club move forward. |
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Post by Al on Feb 17, 2018 17:54:12 GMT
About £500,000 - at least half of which could and should be met by grants and body funding. The other half, in my opinion, could quite reasonably be raised one of two ways: a) Via a community share scheme - Lewes FC raised £200,000 for their 3G pitch using one of these, Bath FC raised £350,000 to save their club through one - both are far smaller clubs than us with much less support b) Via a resolution passed at a CFU members meeting requiring the Board to ring-fence 5% of the club's income every season to be put into an infrastructure fund - this would raise circa £50,000 a year. Well thought out response with 2 very workable solutions but as usual the negative posters (one of whom is on the Commercial working party) try to poo poo any suggestion made to help the club move forward. I'm not trying to poo poo anything. I asked how much it is, and DC replied. |
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Post by devadiva on Feb 17, 2018 18:15:24 GMT
Please explain. One of the reasons we got onto the state we are in is that commercially we have behaved like amateurs. This was a golden opportunity for us both in initial cash and future income to better link the ground to the city centre to make it an easier destination for all to get to. Just because we are fan owned doesn’t mean we have to be numpties when it comes to running the club like the business it is and needs to be to generate the playing budget we all want. Do you know the details of the deal? Would you trust the groundwork of a CEO whose efforts, alongside the previous board, have taken us to the brink of going bust? I'm not denying that the deal may have been beneficial but not for one moment would I trust Maguire to have tied up the details in a way that would have looked anything other than good on the surface. Fine - so your issue was McGuire not the proposed deal then. As he’s gone that’s not an issue. Someone told me today Stagecoach deal could still be on. If that’s the case then great. We just need someone with a bit of commercial nouse to act for the club. |
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Post by everhopeful on Feb 17, 2018 18:31:29 GMT
Several places that have agreed to bus companies parking their vehicles on their land have come to regret it because they're magnets for vandals who don't stick to attacking the buses. If they did use the car park, 24 hour security would have to be employed not just to protect the buses, but also the ground.
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Post by bethnalblue on Feb 17, 2018 19:16:17 GMT
How much will a 4G pitch cost? About £500,000 - at least half of which could and should be met by grants and body funding. The other half, in my opinion, could quite reasonably be raised one of two ways: a) Via a community share scheme - Lewes FC raised £200,000 for their 3G pitch using one of these, Bath FC raised £350,000 to save their club through one - both are far smaller clubs than us with much less support b) Via a resolution passed at a CFU members meeting requiring the Board to ring-fence 5% of the club's income every season to be put into an infrastructure fund - this would raise circa £50,000 a year. Lewes 3G at there Training Ground? |
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