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Post by Jack on Mar 19, 2018 20:56:37 GMT
Reading a post by Harry Lime this morning got me thinking. If 100 people set up a £10 per month direct debit to the club then it would raise 12K per year. 500 would be 60K, 1000 would be 120K etc. I know it sounds really daft, but it was almost an epiphany for me reading that.
These are significant boosts to a budget that we already know will be scraping the barrel next season.
The post really did make me think, we can whinge and moan all day about previous mistakes and the prospect of regional football for the forseeable, but only we can change it. Yes, it'd be ideal for the club to bring few new generations of supporters so it's not the same fans dipping into their pockets, but that can only happen if we start to look competitive on the pitch again. It's a vicious cycle, but we need to absolutely make sure we consolidate next season and then we can begin to build the community around the club once more.
£10 a month is £2.50 a week. For whatever reason, I've never done the Seals Lotto etc, but would be more than willing to pitch in with something like this. If the club pitched this correctly, called it a Blue Pledge with a totaliser at the ground and set an ambitious target, we could make a significant contribution to the budget.
We've had budget builders in the past, but this would need to be marketed correctly. Simple question, if the club got this up and running - would you contribute?
I'll be No.1.
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Post by chesterken on Mar 19, 2018 21:14:49 GMT
Reading a post by Harry Lime this morning got me thinking. If 100 people set up a £10 per month direct debit to the club then it would raise 12K per year. 500 would be 60K, 1000 would be 120K etc. I know it sounds really daft, but it was almost an epiphany for me reading that. These are significant boosts to a budget that we already know will be scraping the barrel next season. The post really did make me think, we can whinge and moan all day about previous mistakes and the prospect of regional football for the forseeable, but only we can change it. Yes, it'd be ideal for the club to bring few new generations of supporters so it's not the same fans dipping into their pockets, but that can only happen if we start to look competitive on the pitch again. It's a vicious cycle, but we need to absolutely make sure we consolidate next season and then we can begin to build the community around the club once more. £10 a month is £2.50 a week. For whatever reason, I've never done the Seals Lotto etc, but would be more than willing to pitch in with something like this. If the club pitched this correctly, called it a Blue Pledge with a totaliser at the ground and set an ambitious target, we could make a significant contribution to the budget. We've had budget builders in the past, but this would need to be marketed correctly. Simple question, if the club got this up and running - would you contribute? I'll be No.1. |
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Post by chesterken on Mar 19, 2018 21:15:23 GMT
I’m in Jack let’s make this happen
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Post by dc2cfc on Mar 19, 2018 21:19:37 GMT
I’d sign up 👍🏼
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 21:46:37 GMT
Better than postcode lottery .I'm in
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Post by Deva Chanter on Mar 19, 2018 21:49:29 GMT
Personally wouldn't donate if the money was going to be blown on the playing budget. If the money were to be put aside to build up the infrastructure of the football club (e.g. 4G training facility, extension of the Blues Bar, disabled viewing platform) then you can count me in.
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Post by Harry Lime on Mar 19, 2018 22:11:41 GMT
I already contribute monthly to Squadbuilder.
This is ring fenced money to be added to the Football Budget. A consistent income gives the club something they can budget for, rather than a one off amount which can't.
It's the same as the Blue Pledge that Jack suggests. Maybe we should identify ourselves as Deva Chat members. That way the club realises the good that Deva Chat could do for the club as a collective group.
The Squad Builder bank details are: -
Sort Code 08-92-99
Account No. 65070431
If you set up a Standing Order put Squadbuilder in the reference. This indicates the nature of your monthly donation and means it will go to the playing budget. Also contact the club to let them know you've set up a Standing Order. That way they can plan and budget knowing it's coming.
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Post by dc2cfc on Mar 20, 2018 7:35:01 GMT
How about a split in use of the monthly direct debit, half goes to the squad funding and the other half goes to a training ground fund ?
If the training ground fund was built up over 3-5 years. We could have a good amount built up depending on many were involved each month ...Plus a grant from the FA could be used in addition to this ...
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Post by Lobster on Mar 20, 2018 8:34:56 GMT
Perhaps we all just need to get behind one idea, even if it isn't perfect. It seems like every time someone suggests something on here, we get well-intentioned responses of "nah, we shouldn't do it that way, we should do it this way". In the end, nothing gets done.
I think Jack's idea is a good one and would support it.
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Post by agl on Mar 20, 2018 8:56:31 GMT
Don't forget there is also Seals Lottery. Assume that money goes to general running costs, and there's always the chance of a nice little windfall.
I didn't know how much squadbuilder makes but perhaps it's time for some sort of relaunch in the Summer. Supposedly anyone donating was meant to get invited to update meetings but I'm not aware that's happening. Any scheme should have some sort of incentive ..maybe a chance to come along to a training session or have a photo taken with the team. Costs nothing and just shows a little appreciation for fans who dig deep. They are all vital and regular revenue schemes, which are crucial to forward planning.
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Post by jollyboysam on Mar 20, 2018 9:00:24 GMT
Excellent proposal Jack! this has got to be the ONLY way forward for a FAN owned club.We were toying with an idea that the £10 per month is for CFU membership, the members then decide how to use it.........
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Post by Lobster on Mar 20, 2018 9:21:46 GMT
Don't forget there is also Seals Lottery. Assume that money goes to general running costs, and there's always the chance of a nice little windfall. I didn't know how much squadbuilder makes but perhaps it's time for some sort of relaunch in the Summer. Supposedly anyone donating was meant to get invited to update meetings but I'm not aware that's happening. Any scheme should have some sort of incentive ..maybe a chance to come along to a training session or have a photo taken with the team. Costs nothing and just shows a little appreciation for fans who dig deep. They are all vital and regular revenue schemes, which are crucial to forward planning. I honestly think we've exhausted Squad Builder. People don't feel like they've got their money's worth with Burr and McCarthy's use of it, hence the poor response to the Bignot's Budget campaign. I'm not saying get rid of it, but I don't think it's what we should be promoting. We should prioritise a general fund to build a war chest for the club, and if the club decides to use some of that towards the playing budget, fair enough. |
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Post by Matt on Mar 20, 2018 10:06:48 GMT
Brilliant idea. I think the entry contribution should be £10 and more if anyone can afford it.
At Just £10 at 500 people would be £60,000 a year. I think this seriously needs looking into!
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Post by iandychesterfc on Mar 20, 2018 10:14:50 GMT
Think an infrastructure fund to run alongside squad builder is a good idea. Different people can then contribute to what they see as being the most important - there's no right / wrong answers just you contributing as you see best.
realistically a training facility is 5 years away but it goes ever further until we can start up a fund like this for that purpose.
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Post by superman on Mar 20, 2018 10:31:24 GMT
Count me in, needs promoting big time and the idea of a visual totaliser outside the ground and prominently on web site against a target is great, better than an occasional update. The target should be number of people rather than amount raised, £10 min more if you want. Should run alongside re-promoted Squad Builder but with different intention then people can choose to contribute to either or hopefully both.
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Post by billyw on Mar 20, 2018 11:11:36 GMT
Don't forget there is also Seals Lottery. Assume that money goes to general running costs, and there's always the chance of a nice little windfall. I didn't know how much squadbuilder makes but perhaps it's time for some sort of relaunch in the Summer. Supposedly anyone donating was meant to get invited to update meetings but I'm not aware that's happening. Any scheme should have some sort of incentive ..maybe a chance to come along to a training session or have a photo taken with the team. Costs nothing and just shows a little appreciation for fans who dig deep. They are all vital and regular revenue schemes, which are crucial to forward planning. There haven't been any meetings with Squadbuilder donors since the end of last season when Maguire and McCarthy met us. |
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Post by john on Mar 20, 2018 11:12:27 GMT
I think it is a good idea for fans wanting to help the club to donate on a monthly basis.
However, saying a minimum of £10 a month would exclude those that cannot afford to pay £10 a month.
I don't have a lot of money(being pemanantly on disability),and what I do have is mostly budgeted for.
I could possibly donate £2 a month.
So would it not be better to take £2 a month from me rather than a £10 minimum?.If it has to be a £10 minimum a month that would be £2 a month lost.
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Post by dmcnally on Mar 20, 2018 11:14:39 GMT
How about a split in use of the monthly direct debit, half goes to the squad funding and the other half goes to a training ground fund ? If the training ground fund was built up over 3-5 years. We could have a good amount built up depending on many were involved each month ...Plus a grant from the FA could be used in addition to this ... As long as it was a 3G/4G pitch which could bring in its own revenue. |
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Post by Deva Chanter on Mar 20, 2018 11:48:11 GMT
I'd personally like to see a Community Share Scheme that is aimed at building a 3G/4G training facility - Lewes FC raised £220,000 through one to build their 3G facility - the rest of the funding is usually met through government and central body funding. (Bath FC also raised £350,000 through one)
For me it is an absolute no-brainer:
- The club gets a new training facility that the first and youth teams can use
- The local community gets a purpose built training facility which the club can rent out to local teams (Sutton Utd apparently bring in about £100,000 a year through renting theirs out)
- A community share scheme means that people will then receive interest on their shares once the facility is making a profit
- We are in a unique position - community share schemes are only open to community and co-operative societies - 99% of other football clubs aren't allowed to use them
- It is often backed by the Enterprise Investment Scheme which basically means that anybody who purchases more than £500 in shares can claim a tax rebate of 20%
People are sick of handing over money for it to be pissed away on a playing budget that makes little difference to our success - that much is obvious from the poor performance of the last Squadbuilder. We need to start using our money sensibly and plan for the long-term - these sort of investments will be worth their weight in gold in the future. That is how to grow the football club - not by getting out the begging bowl every 6 months so you can sign another washed-up has been of a player.
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Post by agl on Mar 20, 2018 12:04:28 GMT
Surely the playing budget has to remain the priority. Rubbish team, rubbish results...no club ultimately.
And, yes, I know it's not been well managed recently and we've just wasted a big budget but how many clubs can you say about that.
I'm more than happy to contribute to Squadbuilder. I want my donations to be spent on attracting the best players. We just need someone who will spend it wisely!
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Post by histsci on Mar 20, 2018 12:07:10 GMT
I recently signed up for the Seals Lottery (£10 a month), but would be tempted by an infrastructure builder. If it is set up it has to have both a monthly and running total though - we need to see what effect our money is having for things like this.
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Post by Oaks Blue on Mar 20, 2018 12:15:56 GMT
The club has overspent on playing budget since we reformed. We have never invested or ringfenced any of our budget to spend it on a training pitch or anything that can generate extra income.
The lack of long term planning has been an issue since 2010.
I don't want to go over old ground but to blame it all on MM and JM is short sighted at the very least.
It's time to put that right but it's not going to be easy
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 12:26:54 GMT
How many people are signed up for the seals lottery?
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Post by onetrevorstorton on Mar 20, 2018 13:23:44 GMT
would be a good idea if you could have a go on the seals lottery online , might see more revenue . At the moment you have to download a standing order mandate .
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Post by dc2cfc on Mar 20, 2018 15:08:37 GMT
I'd personally like to see a Community Share Scheme that is aimed at building a 3G/4G training facility - Lewes FC raised £220,000 through one to build their 3G facility - the rest of the funding is usually met through government and central body funding. (Bath FC also raised £350,000 through one) For me it is an absolute no-brainer: - The club gets a new training facility that the first and youth teams can use - The local community gets a purpose built training facility which the club can rent out to local teams (Sutton Utd apparently bring in about £100,000 a year through renting theirs out) - A community share scheme means that people will then receive interest on their shares once the facility is making a profit - We are in a unique position - community share schemes are only open to community and co-operative societies - 99% of other football clubs aren't allowed to use them - It is often backed by the Enterprise Investment Scheme which basically means that anybody who purchases more than £500 in shares can claim a tax rebate of 20% People are sick of handing over money for it to be pissed away on a playing budget that makes little difference to our success - that much is obvious from the poor performance of the last Squadbuilder. We need to start using our money sensibly and plan for the long-term - these sort of investments will be worth their weight in gold in the future. That is how to grow the football club - not by getting out the begging bowl every 6 months so you can sign another washed-up has been of a player. Absolutely spot on !! Its something to aim for, plus I think once its developed the whole city and community will sit up and take note |
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Post by Jack on Mar 20, 2018 19:05:25 GMT
Interesting replies.
I suppose what I was getting at was the need for a unified approach on fundraising. Many do Blues Lotto, some do Squad Builder but I wonder is there now a need for a new initiative to be raised?
There's clearly good will out there towards the club, as seen by the 100K figure been raised.
I just think a different name/ visual targets etc could be used to really try and build the pot for next season.. It sounds like we've got various sources of money all drip feeding into the club, whereas with a huge push and a collective effort we could really build the manager's budget for the upcoming season.
I've never contributed to squad builders, Burr's budget etc, so I'm part of the problem. But with the current situation, with the right marketing, I'd be happy to commit to a standing order. I wonder how many fans there are like me, who haven't felt the need to do so before but would do so now?
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Post by chesterken on Mar 20, 2018 19:19:03 GMT
Interesting replies. I suppose what I was getting at was the need for a unified approach on fundraising. Many do Blues Lotto, some do Squad Builder but I wonder is there now a need for a new initiative to be raised? There's clearly good will out there towards the club, as seen by the 100K figure been raised. I just think a different name/ visual targets etc could be used to really try and build the pot for next season.. It sounds like we've got various sources of money all drip feeding into the club, whereas with a huge push and a collective effort we could really build the manager's budget for the upcoming season. I've never contributed to squad builders, Burr's budget etc, so I'm part of the problem. But with the current situation, with the right marketing, I'd be happy to commit to a standing order. I wonder how many fans there are like me, who haven't felt the need to do so before but would do so now? I have contributed to both of the above options but would be very willing to contribute to a new fund, it needs to be started over the close season while we don’t contribute to the football club out of season. |
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