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Post by poolepirate on Apr 13, 2018 11:07:03 GMT
mentioned in last evenings podcast that based on estimated 900 season tickets and 800 pay on the day supporters our playing budget would be £250k
i know this season we have had wrexham and tranmere games with big attendances but other games(especially southern teams) have virtually no away fans
at least being in a northern league the away fans coming may be more on a consistent basis, so (guessing)250 away fans attend per game that would put up the average home attendance over the season quite alot.if york city for example are still in conference north you would imagine they would bring 500/600
the worry on budget of £250k is that it is similar to north ferriby united who are bottom of NCN by 20 points
i remember a quote at the time their relegation was confirmed "on a budget of £250k they never stood a chance"
lets hope somehow the budget can be improved either by the hopeful investor coming in or a cup run or a sam hughes windfall
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Post by luckyblue on Apr 13, 2018 11:31:02 GMT
Not to mention the fact that circa £150k of the £250k budget is already spoken for. (Hannah, James, Archer, Mahon et al) Doesn't allow much for the rest of the squad. Expenses only for most I would think.
High earners have to go or increase the revenue .....
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Post by hbomb on Apr 13, 2018 11:34:07 GMT
900 season tickets. How many of those are they aiming to be adult tickets?
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Post by avfo on Apr 13, 2018 11:41:49 GMT
mentioned in last evenings podcast that based on estimated 900 season tickets and 800 pay on the day supporters our playing budget would be £250k i know this season we have had wrexham and tranmere games with big attendances but other games(especially southern teams) have virtually no away fans at least being in a northern league the away fans coming may be more on a consistent basis, so (guessing)250 away fans attend per game that would put up the average home attendance over the season quite alot.if york city for example are still in conference north you would imagine they would bring 500/600 the worry on budget of £250k is that it is similar to north ferriby united who are bottom of NCN by 20 points i remember a quote at the time their relegation was confirmed "on a budget of £250k they never stood a chance" lets hope somehow the budget can be improved either by the hopeful investor coming in or a cup run or a sam hughes windfall Ferriby started the season with a sub £100,000 playing budget, that budget was then cut around the end of last year. |
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Post by Lobster on Apr 13, 2018 11:42:29 GMT
What do people suggest we do about it? Gamble? Put more into the playing budget than we can afford? Not for me.
The National League table this season shows that budgets aren’t everything. If we have a small budget, we’ve got to live with it, operate shrewdly and perhaps fall back on our excellent youth system. If we go down again, we go down again. We can recover from relegations, but we can’t allow ourselves to get in another financial mess.
With long-term strategies, we can rise again, but it’s not going to happen overnight and I think we have to accept that next season is going to be bloody hard work.
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Post by catfordbags on Apr 13, 2018 12:14:41 GMT
£250K playing budget next season primarily taken up by Ross Hannahs body butter and Kingsley James' grooming kits whilst whilst Ryan Astles is sustaining himself on potato peelings out of an industrial waste bin behind the Ermine chippy........ the worlds gone mad.
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Post by majorminor on Apr 13, 2018 12:15:15 GMT
Size dosent matter, it's what you do with it!
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Post by majorminor on Apr 13, 2018 12:16:48 GMT
I'm referring to the playing budget by the way , not Ryan Astles.
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Post by Dodge on Apr 13, 2018 12:52:17 GMT
mentioned in last evenings podcast that based on estimated 900 season tickets and 800 pay on the day supporters our playing budget would be £250k i know this season we have had wrexham and tranmere games with big attendances but other games(especially southern teams) have virtually no away fans at least being in a northern league the away fans coming may be more on a consistent basis, so (guessing)250 away fans attend per game that would put up the average home attendance over the season quite alot.if york city for example are still in conference north you would imagine they would bring 500/600 the worry on budget of £250k is that it is similar to north ferriby united who are bottom of NCN by 20 points i remember a quote at the time their relegation was confirmed "on a budget of £250k they never stood a chance" lets hope somehow the budget can be improved either by the hopeful investor coming in or a cup run or a sam hughes windfall What if York at home is a Tuesday night? It's silly to budget on assumptions about away fans. |
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Post by Charfield Blue on Apr 13, 2018 13:00:02 GMT
mentioned in last evenings podcast that based on estimated 900 season tickets and 800 pay on the day supporters our playing budget would be £250k i know this season we have had wrexham and tranmere games with big attendances but other games(especially southern teams) have virtually no away fans at least being in a northern league the away fans coming may be more on a consistent basis, so (guessing)250 away fans attend per game that would put up the average home attendance over the season quite alot.if york city for example are still in conference north you would imagine they would bring 500/600 the worry on budget of £250k is that it is similar to north ferriby united who are bottom of NCN by 20 points i remember a quote at the time their relegation was confirmed "on a budget of £250k they never stood a chance" lets hope somehow the budget can be improved either by the hopeful investor coming in or a cup run or a sam hughes windfall What if York at home is a Tuesday night? It's silly to budget on assumptions about away fans. and you just know we'll end up with Leamington home and away over Christmas and Blyth Spartans / Spennymoor at Easter. |
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Post by sumo on Apr 13, 2018 21:06:17 GMT
900 season tickets. How many of those are they aiming to be adult tickets?
This season approx. 1000, of which, 600 adults and 400 kids, of which the 600 adults 240 are concessions.
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Post by Harry Lime on Apr 13, 2018 21:30:36 GMT
Size dosent matter, it's what you do with it! True. But you can do more with it if it's bigger. |
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Apr 13, 2018 21:36:41 GMT
What do people suggest we do about it? Gamble? Put more into the playing budget than we can afford? Not for me. The National League table this season shows that budgets aren’t everything. If we have a small budget, we’ve got to live with it, operate shrewdly and perhaps fall back on our excellent youth system. If we go down again, we go down again. We can recover from relegations, but we can’t allow ourselves to get in another financial mess. With long-term strategies, we can rise again, but it’s not going to happen overnight and I think we have to accept that next season is going to be bloody hard work. Still think some people don't fully understand the "fan" element of fan ownership. If you want the club to improve our budget, we need you to help us do that. A lot of work is going on with the Commercial, Fundraising and Fan Engagement working groups but at the end of the day all three groups are reliant on people at the other end - the fanbase, the wider public, the business community etc. - to buy in to what we are doing. How else can we better the budget? Spend money we haven't got? How do you think we got into this mess? |
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Post by sumo on Apr 13, 2018 23:02:54 GMT
What do people suggest we do about it? Gamble? Put more into the playing budget than we can afford? Not for me. The National League table this season shows that budgets aren’t everything. If we have a small budget, we’ve got to live with it, operate shrewdly and perhaps fall back on our excellent youth system. If we go down again, we go down again. We can recover from relegations, but we can’t allow ourselves to get in another financial mess. With long-term strategies, we can rise again, but it’s not going to happen overnight and I think we have to accept that next season is going to be bloody hard work. Still think some people don't fully understand the "fan" element of fan ownership. If you want the club to improve our budget, we need you to help us do that. A lot of work is going on with the Commercial, Fundraising and Fan Engagement working groups but at the end of the day all three groups are reliant on people at the other end - the fanbase, the wider public, the business community etc. - to buy in to what we are doing. How else can we better the budget? Spend money we haven't got? How do you think we got into this mess? Your wasting your time with some of these, they cant grasp the fact it is a fan owned club, and its up to the fans to respond, pointless. |
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Post by rcb on Apr 14, 2018 8:51:14 GMT
What do people suggest we do about it? Gamble? Put more into the playing budget than we can afford? Not for me. The National League table this season shows that budgets aren’t everything. If we have a small budget, we’ve got to live with it, operate shrewdly and perhaps fall back on our excellent youth system. If we go down again, we go down again. We can recover from relegations, but we can’t allow ourselves to get in another financial mess. With long-term strategies, we can rise again, but it’s not going to happen overnight and I think we have to accept that next season is going to be bloody hard work. Still think some people don't fully understand the "fan" element of fan ownership. If you want the club to improve our budget, we need you to help us do that. A lot of work is going on with the Commercial, Fundraising and Fan Engagement working groups but at the end of the day all three groups are reliant on people at the other end - the fanbase, the wider public, the business community etc. - to buy in to what we are doing. How else can we better the budget? Spend money we haven't got? How do you think we got into this mess? Very confusing. On the one hand insisting the fan owned model is correct but on the other hand insisting it is the responsibility of non members to maintain the survival of the club. A fan owned club in Chester has the ability to be sustainable, based only on the support from those members (owners as some claim), but not at this level, as recent history is proving. Those outside of the paid-up membership clearly bought into ‘winning’ and have now opted out of ‘losing’. Each fan owned model has a natural level of sustainability, with an ability to attract external investment/income via increased gate, sponsorships, cup runs, etc. and in Chester’s case this is based on a winning formula more-so because of the low member fanbase. Constant criticism of non-member fans, often made with an air of superiority, only serves to ostracise the very people they need support from. Next season is the most important one in the club’s short history and survival can only be achieved through financial prudence. Hopefully those who want their model to survive will get their wish, but in my opinion the prospect of being full-time next season flies in the face of financial prudence and is doomed to failure. Retrench, survive and consolidate first, and then build for growth and a return to winning ways is surely the way forward. Last summer’s scuicidal spending almost killed the club, but now, having got rid of the toxic Maguire/McCarthy combo, is not the time for more risk taking. The club has been knocked back by three seasons in terms of development, and unrealistic ambition will kill it off. Being a board member is not a glamorous position and is the preserve of the industrious. Decisions made over the next two months will determine not just the future, but whether there will be the future. For what it’s worth, I think the season ticket pricing is correct, and recognises the need to attract youth, so a good start has been made. |
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Post by Jack on Apr 14, 2018 11:23:18 GMT
What do people suggest we do about it? Gamble? Put more into the playing budget than we can afford? Not for me. The National League table this season shows that budgets aren’t everything. If we have a small budget, we’ve got to live with it, operate shrewdly and perhaps fall back on our excellent youth system. If we go down again, we go down again. We can recover from relegations, but we can’t allow ourselves to get in another financial mess. With long-term strategies, we can rise again, but it’s not going to happen overnight and I think we have to accept that next season is going to be bloody hard work. Still think some people don't fully understand the "fan" element of fan ownership. If you want the club to improve our budget, we need you to help us do that. A lot of work is going on with the Commercial, Fundraising and Fan Engagement working groups but at the end of the day all three groups are reliant on people at the other end - the fanbase, the wider public, the business community etc. - to buy in to what we are doing. How else can we better the budget? Spend money we haven't got? How do you think we got into this mess? Spot on. This is why I think a newly branded squad builder fund needs to be implemented and put out by the club. I know we have many ways of donating already, but a new initiative, all branded around giving us the opportunity to be competitive, could be a success. If the club can get this summer right then I think people will set up standing orders. |
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