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Post by Churton Blue on Apr 14, 2018 10:10:52 GMT
Get Neil Young back and listen to him. It’s really simple. Marcus Bignot was advocating that we stay full time. Neil Young recommends we go part time. Bignot has apparently won the argument with the Board which is ironic and probably the reason Neil Young walked away as he thought he had won the argument and got upset when he realised he hadn't.
If we stay full time I would think it essential that we appoint someone like Neil Redfearn or Andy Holden who have good contacts and a track record of working with younger players.
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Post by Jack on Apr 14, 2018 11:10:24 GMT
Listening to him discuss the need to 'stop the bleeding' and consolidate makes perfect sense to me. Next season is all about staying up and allowing us to rebuild the club in the years to come.
If going part time and using NY's contacts is the way to do it, then I'm all for it.
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Post by superman on Apr 14, 2018 11:19:35 GMT
I have listened to both Calvin and Neil's podcast views. Neil's was pretty clear. I am still struggling to understand exactly what strategy the FWG has actually proposed, and if this has been accepted by the board. Other than we are staying full time, having a coach not a manager and a club appointed scout, what is the player profile going to be like and where are we going to get the players from. Is the coach going to source the players or the FWG on the recommendation of the scout. Could someone from the FWG please in the spirit of openness share their detailed proposal with the fans.
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Post by paulie on Apr 14, 2018 11:35:50 GMT
I have listened to both Calvin and Neil's podcast views. Neil's was pretty clear. I am still struggling to understand exactly what strategy the FWG has actually proposed, and if this has been accepted by the board. Other than we are staying full time, having a coach not a manager and a club appointed scout, what is the player profile going to be like and where are we going to get the players from. Is the coach going to source the players or the FWG on the recommendation of the scout. Could someone from the FWG please in the spirit of openness share their detailed proposal with the fans. The FWG will be frantically turning pages in the latest rothmans football yearbook as we speak.
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Post by Hannibal on Apr 14, 2018 11:55:45 GMT
Given that NWAS resigned from the board allegedly because of the muck being throw at Calvin Hughes, I'm struggling to see why. I don't know Calvin, but from what I'm reading on here the criticism of him seems justified. The sacking of Bignot in the manner it was done does not bring him any credit at all. Is he a co-optee?
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Post by Charfield Blue on Apr 14, 2018 12:13:04 GMT
Yes I was just about to mention something similar. Why would NY be responsible for recruitment when it's surely the job of the manager to identify which players they want? What would worry me is a guy potentially tasked with recruitment saying " I've identified half a dozen possible signings that fit the profile but you might want to scout them again because it's been 6-8 months since I last checked them out". But surely a number of potential targets that fit our specific needs to be offered to a new manager would be better than no targets, no scouts, no manager? Having Neil there in a scouting and football advisory role and on the manager interviews would have been ideal, without any doubt. The only doubt I have is whether or not he could have carried out this role for us having previously been the top dog or did he want to rule the roost?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 12:26:46 GMT
Nothing new in all this. Doesn't matter if it's fishing club boxing club who ever gets on the (committee) eventually thinks its their club .needs sorting as some people been there too long and don't want to give up
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Post by bitbbh on Apr 14, 2018 12:32:31 GMT
Club secretary's job normally but never mind. Let's all smear a hard working volunteer... Then why is CH doing it? It would be normal for the manager to select the opposition in pre season friendlies and the football secretary would confirm it in writing with the appropriate club.
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Post by Hannibal on Apr 14, 2018 12:34:02 GMT
Nothing new in all this. Doesn't matter if it's fishing club boxing club who ever gets on the (committee) eventually thinks its their club .needs sorting as some people been there too long and don't want to give upLeave NFBF out of this.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 15:27:37 GMT
Given that NWAS resigned from the board allegedly because of the muck being throw at Calvin Hughes, I'm struggling to see why. I don't know Calvin, but from what I'm reading on here the criticism of him seems justified. The sacking of Bignot in the manner it was done does not bring him any credit at all. Is he a co-optee? I resigned as I knew the muck being flung was coming out of certain people at the club, and was disgusted at how certain members of the board failed to offer a fellow volunteer any support. I did not resign in support of some of the decisions made, nor do I support some of the actions of some of the board since. For clarification, during my time on the FWG (with Calvin Hughes as lead member) the initial remit was to reduce current cost and reduce exposure for next season. This resulted in Turnbull, James, Hannah (by NY?), Chappell, Davies, Joyce moving out saving £s. We were also asked to explore options and present them to the board for voting on. These included a strategy discussion document for the football side of the club (like a roadmap, where do we want to be eventually), a 1st team head coach (or manager) job description and various other important less glamourous things (pitch care, GM/Sec role, ticketing, academy, new contract letters to Jones and Crawford etc). The FWG meeting where NY attended was very much driven by Neil, and was more about the now and next season. The final destination on the "road map" (focus on graduates and u23 recruited players with mix of 1 yr contracted experienced pros; recruitment department etc) was very similar between NY and the FWG. It was a very positive meeting, as discussed the only difference was the FWG wanting to remain FT, helping us retain our best prospects, NY wanting PT. A hybrid was discussed, and seemed a sensible solution. I was as surprised as anyone when NY packed up. I followed almost immediately (from board and FWG) as above. The club desperately needs help from people within the game, and I (and others I worked on the FWG with) would love to see one or two step up to help the FWG. The club would definitely benefit from a former professional manager or player as a director of football. The problem is professionals want paying and Chester FC has no money to do that. There are good (and mediocre) people on the board. There are also people there who need to take counsel and listen to other volunteers before doing things alone or in pairs. Hopefully the horrendous mistake made on Wednesday and previous will be a massive lesson learned. Until the Ops Board is reconvened all decisions should be full board (contract offers, appointments, staff issues, commercial decisions etc), and as Jeff is doing the continuance of the transparent communication of these decisions is essential. If sections of our local press and supporters continue to look back and slate our club at every turn, or even call an EGM we will need 10 new directors ready to step up immediately, at what is a critical moment. We don't have that. We may have 3 or 4 for the next AGM if we are lucky. I won't be standing again. I regret going back, but felt I had to. I've every respect for Jeff who must be as battle weary as me but still shows such graft and enthusiasm. Mr Chester FC. Please think before you post negatively, as a volunteer loses enthusiasm like death by a thousand cuts, and we really don't need to throw the baby out with the bathwater. #uts
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Post by embalmer on Apr 14, 2018 15:42:26 GMT
Given that NWAS resigned from the board allegedly because of the muck being throw at Calvin Hughes, I'm struggling to see why. I don't know Calvin, but from what I'm reading on here the criticism of him seems justified. The sacking of Bignot in the manner it was done does not bring him any credit at all. Is he a co-optee? I resigned as I knew the muck being flung was coming out of certain people at the club, and was disgusted at how certain members of the board failed to offer a fellow volunteer any support. I did not resign in support of some of the decisions made, nor do I support some of the actions of some of the board since. For clarification, during my time on the FWG the initial remit was to reduce current cost and reduce exposure for next season. This resulted in Turnbull, James, Hannah (by NY?), Chappell, Davies, Joyce moving out saving £s. We were also asked to explore options and present them to the board for voting on. These included a strategy discussion document for the football side of the club (like a roadmap, where do we want to be eventually), a 1st team head coach (or manager) job description and various other important less glamourous things (pitch care, GM/Sec role, ticketing, academy, new contract letters to Jones and Crawford etc). The FWG meeting where NY attended was very much driven by Neil, and was more about the now and next season. The "road map" was very similar between NY and the FWG. It was a very positive meeting, as discussed the only difference was the FWG wanting to remain FT, helping us retain our best prospects, NY wanting PT. A hybrid was discussed, and seemed a sensible solution. I was as surprised as anyone when NY packed up. I followed almost immediately (from board and FWG) as above. The club desperately needs help from people within the game, and I would love to see one or two step up to help the FWG. The problem is professionals want paying and Chester FC has no money to do that. There are good (and mediocre) people on the board. There are also people there who need to take counsel and listen to other volunteers before doing things alone or in pairs. Hopefully the horrendous mistake made on Wednesday and previous will be a massive lesson learned. Until the Ops Board is reconvened all decisions should be full board (contract offers, appointments, staff issues, commercial decisions etc), and as Jeff is doing the continuance of the transparent communication of these decisions is essential. If sections of our local press and supporters continue to look back and slate our club at every turn, or even call an EGM we will need 10 new directors ready to step up immediately, at what is a critical moment. We don't have that. We may have 3 or 4 for the next AGM if we are lucky. I won't be standing again. I regret going back, but felt I had to. I've every respect for Jeff who must be as battle weary as me but still shows such graft and enthusiasm. Mr Chester FC. Please think before you post negatively, as a volunteer loses enthusiasm like death by a thousand cuts, and we really don't need to throw the baby out with the bathwater. #uts If you are so disgusted by 'certain people' flinging muck from within the club - don't you think the membership deserve to know who they are? With the greatest of respect, I'm getting bored to the back teeth of people resigning and then posting cryptic shite like this to explain themselves - the fans deserve a proper explanation.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 15:45:35 GMT
I resigned as I knew the muck being flung was coming out of certain people at the club, and was disgusted at how certain members of the board failed to offer a fellow volunteer any support. I did not resign in support of some of the decisions made, nor do I support some of the actions of some of the board since. For clarification, during my time on the FWG the initial remit was to reduce current cost and reduce exposure for next season. This resulted in Turnbull, James, Hannah (by NY?), Chappell, Davies, Joyce moving out saving £s. We were also asked to explore options and present them to the board for voting on. These included a strategy discussion document for the football side of the club (like a roadmap, where do we want to be eventually), a 1st team head coach (or manager) job description and various other important less glamourous things (pitch care, GM/Sec role, ticketing, academy, new contract letters to Jones and Crawford etc). The FWG meeting where NY attended was very much driven by Neil, and was more about the now and next season. The "road map" was very similar between NY and the FWG. It was a very positive meeting, as discussed the only difference was the FWG wanting to remain FT, helping us retain our best prospects, NY wanting PT. A hybrid was discussed, and seemed a sensible solution. I was as surprised as anyone when NY packed up. I followed almost immediately (from board and FWG) as above. The club desperately needs help from people within the game, and I would love to see one or two step up to help the FWG. The problem is professionals want paying and Chester FC has no money to do that. There are good (and mediocre) people on the board. There are also people there who need to take counsel and listen to other volunteers before doing things alone or in pairs. Hopefully the horrendous mistake made on Wednesday and previous will be a massive lesson learned. Until the Ops Board is reconvened all decisions should be full board (contract offers, appointments, staff issues, commercial decisions etc), and as Jeff is doing the continuance of the transparent communication of these decisions is essential. If sections of our local press and supporters continue to look back and slate our club at every turn, or even call an EGM we will need 10 new directors ready to step up immediately, at what is a critical moment. We don't have that. We may have 3 or 4 for the next AGM if we are lucky. I won't be standing again. I regret going back, but felt I had to. I've every respect for Jeff who must be as battle weary as me but still shows such graft and enthusiasm. Mr Chester FC. Please think before you post negatively, as a volunteer loses enthusiasm like death by a thousand cuts, and we really don't need to throw the baby out with the bathwater. #uts If you are so disgusted by 'certain people' flinging muck from within the club - don't you think the membership deserve to know who they are? With the greatest of respect, I'm getting bored to the back teeth of people resigning and then posting cryptic shite like this to explain themselves - the fans deserve a proper explanation. I had no proof of who was spreading the shit. If I did I'd go to their faces, not post it on here. And it took me ages to type that on my phone. It's as thorough an explanation as I can give.
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Post by chesterken on Apr 14, 2018 16:08:56 GMT
If you are so disgusted by 'certain people' flinging muck from within the club - don't you think the membership deserve to know who they are? With the greatest of respect, I'm getting bored to the back teeth of people resigning and then posting cryptic shite like this to explain themselves - the fans deserve a proper explanation. I had no proof of who was spreading the shit. If I did I'd go to their faces, not post it on here. And it took me ages to type that on my phone. It's as thorough an explanation as I can give. Cheers Nwas thanks for taking the time to post
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Post by adrianh on Apr 14, 2018 16:25:15 GMT
I had no proof of who was spreading the shit. If I did I'd go to their faces, not post it on here. And it took me ages to type that on my phone. It's as thorough an explanation as I can give. Cheers Nwas thanks for taking the time to post Is it the person who stormed out of a FWG because he was annoyed at Calvin
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 16:34:41 GMT
Cheers Nwas thanks for taking the time to post Is it the person who stormed out of a FWG because he was annoyed at Calvin Don't recall anyone storming out for that reason.
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Post by adrianh on Apr 14, 2018 16:44:24 GMT
Is it the person who stormed out of a FWG because he was annoyed at Calvin Don't recall anyone storming out for that reason. Apologies. Chinese whispers I guess. I was told Calvin was upset by it.
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Post by tarvinblue on Apr 14, 2018 17:09:54 GMT
Given that NWAS resigned from the board allegedly because of the muck being throw at Calvin Hughes, I'm struggling to see why. I don't know Calvin, but from what I'm reading on here the criticism of him seems justified. The sacking of Bignot in the manner it was done does not bring him any credit at all. Is he a co-optee? I resigned as I knew the muck being flung was coming out of certain people at the club, and was disgusted at how certain members of the board failed to offer a fellow volunteer any support. I did not resign in support of some of the decisions made, nor do I support some of the actions of some of the board since. For clarification, during my time on the FWG (with Calvin Hughes as lead member) the initial remit was to reduce current cost and reduce exposure for next season. This resulted in Turnbull, James, Hannah (by NY?), Chappell, Davies, Joyce moving out saving £s. We were also asked to explore options and present them to the board for voting on. These included a strategy discussion document for the football side of the club (like a roadmap, where do we want to be eventually), a 1st team head coach (or manager) job description and various other important less glamourous things (pitch care, GM/Sec role, ticketing, academy, new contract letters to Jones and Crawford etc). The FWG meeting where NY attended was very much driven by Neil, and was more about the now and next season. The final destination on the "road map" (focus on graduates and u23 recruited players with mix of 1 yr contracted experienced pros; recruitment department etc) was very similar between NY and the FWG. It was a very positive meeting, as discussed the only difference was the FWG wanting to remain FT, helping us retain our best prospects, NY wanting PT. A hybrid was discussed, and seemed a sensible solution. I was as surprised as anyone when NY packed up. I followed almost immediately (from board and FWG) as above. The club desperately needs help from people within the game, and I (and others I worked on the FWG with) would love to see one or two step up to help the FWG. The club would definitely benefit from a former professional manager or player as a director of football. The problem is professionals want paying and Chester FC has no money to do that. There are good (and mediocre) people on the board. There are also people there who need to take counsel and listen to other volunteers before doing things alone or in pairs. Hopefully the horrendous mistake made on Wednesday and previous will be a massive lesson learned. Until the Ops Board is reconvened all decisions should be full board (contract offers, appointments, staff issues, commercial decisions etc), and as Jeff is doing the continuance of the transparent communication of these decisions is essential. If sections of our local press and supporters continue to look back and slate our club at every turn, or even call an EGM we will need 10 new directors ready to step up immediately, at what is a critical moment. We don't have that. We may have 3 or 4 for the next AGM if we are lucky. I won't be standing again. I regret going back, but felt I had to. I've every respect for Jeff who must be as battle weary as me but still shows such graft and enthusiasm. Mr Chester FC. Please think before you post negatively, as a volunteer loses enthusiasm like death by a thousand cuts, and we really don't need to throw the baby out with the bathwater. #uts Here lies the problem that, unless resolved urgently, will not allow us to move forwards as a football club anytime soon and re-build the lost trust of the fanbase. It's hard to believe that people on the inside don't know who these people are, who are the shit stirrers etc. There are only a handful of people on that board after all and an even smaller number who have been there throughout this sorry mess. A pretty simple process would whittle down the names. We cannot move forwards with people on the board who have their own agendas. They need to be rooted out and replaced or just rooted out as the harm they are causing will eventually kill us. Yes we are low on numbers and yes we need to recruit, but we also cannot have a board that's not united, then it just continues to be dysfunctional.
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Post by boughtonblue on Apr 14, 2018 17:43:38 GMT
Given that NWAS resigned from the board allegedly because of the muck being throw at Calvin Hughes, I'm struggling to see why. I don't know Calvin, but from what I'm reading on here the criticism of him seems justified. The sacking of Bignot in the manner it was done does not bring him any credit at all. Is he a co-optee? I resigned as I knew the muck being flung was coming out of certain people at the club, and was disgusted at how certain members of the board failed to offer a fellow volunteer any support. I did not resign in support of some of the decisions made, nor do I support some of the actions of some of the board since. For clarification, during my time on the FWG (with Calvin Hughes as lead member) the initial remit was to reduce current cost and reduce exposure for next season. This resulted in Turnbull, James, Hannah (by NY?), Chappell, Davies, Joyce moving out saving £s. We were also asked to explore options and present them to the board for voting on. These included a strategy discussion document for the football side of the club (like a roadmap, where do we want to be eventually), a 1st team head coach (or manager) job description and various other important less glamourous things (pitch care, GM/Sec role, ticketing, academy, new contract letters to Jones and Crawford etc). The FWG meeting where NY attended was very much driven by Neil, and was more about the now and next season. The final destination on the "road map" (focus on graduates and u23 recruited players with mix of 1 yr contracted experienced pros; recruitment department etc) was very similar between NY and the FWG. It was a very positive meeting, as discussed the only difference was the FWG wanting to remain FT, helping us retain our best prospects, NY wanting PT. A hybrid was discussed, and seemed a sensible solution. I was as surprised as anyone when NY packed up. I followed almost immediately (from board and FWG) as above. The club desperately needs help from people within the game, and I (and others I worked on the FWG with) would love to see one or two step up to help the FWG. The club would definitely benefit from a former professional manager or player as a director of football. The problem is professionals want paying and Chester FC has no money to do that. There are good (and mediocre) people on the board. There are also people there who need to take counsel and listen to other volunteers before doing things alone or in pairs. Hopefully the horrendous mistake made on Wednesday and previous will be a massive lesson learned. Until the Ops Board is reconvened all decisions should be full board (contract offers, appointments, staff issues, commercial decisions etc), and as Jeff is doing the continuance of the transparent communication of these decisions is essential. If sections of our local press and supporters continue to look back and slate our club at every turn, or even call an EGM we will need 10 new directors ready to step up immediately, at what is a critical moment. We don't have that. We may have 3 or 4 for the next AGM if we are lucky. I won't be standing again. I regret going back, but felt I had to. I've every respect for Jeff who must be as battle weary as me but still shows such graft and enthusiasm. Mr Chester FC. Please think before you post negatively, as a volunteer loses enthusiasm like death by a thousand cuts, and we really don't need to throw the baby out with the bathwater. #uts It's a great shame you are not on the board anymore nwas. But you have to do what is best for you and your family. I really don't have an answer when it come to attracting new talent to the board. The abuse they get when things don't go to plan must be hard to take when you are giving your time up for free. Social media doesn't help in this respect but it's with us now and won't go away. I notice our friends down the road have more permanent members of the board/different set up that helps give the club a bit more stabilty and continuity off the pitch. I never really understood the need to have such a high turnover of chairman/ members of the board. I agree that we need some football people on board, is it not possible to pay for someone like Youngy it needn't be a great deal but it may well be money well spent. I would go for part time next year and budget on a 1500 gate and take it on the chin if we go down.
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Post by Hannibal on Apr 14, 2018 20:07:09 GMT
I had no proof of who was spreading the shit. If I did I'd go to their faces, not post it on here. And it took me ages to type that on my phone. It's as thorough an explanation as I can give. Cheers Nwas thanks for taking the time to post Thanks from me too Mark. It's very difficult when there is such secrecy about everything. If only others could be as forthright as you have been on here.
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