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Post by g1 on Apr 25, 2018 8:26:36 GMT
Not being disrespectful but don't care about Wrexham we need to get our own house in order before we start taking the piss
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Post by superman on Apr 25, 2018 8:42:04 GMT
Not being disrespectful but don't care about Wrexham we need to get our own house in order before we start taking the piss Absolutely correct, they get more right than we do. Think some people need to get their priorities right.
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Post by billyw on Apr 25, 2018 8:43:07 GMT
Not being disrespectful but don't care about Wrexham we need to get our own house in order before we start taking the piss Well said. The gloating is a bit embarrassing TBH. OK Wrexham come over as Billy Big Bollocks at the start of every season but what would we give to be in their position e.g. National league, we'll run, financially stable, secure future, large fanbase etc. I know it's banter but gloating at their failure to get out of this league AGAIN is a bit churlish and smacks of envy and small mindedness bearing in mind our precarious position.
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Post by neutral on Apr 25, 2018 9:16:00 GMT
There is every chance we will go down again, making it 3 relegations in 3 seasons. We are a complete shambles on and off the pitch. Lester has gone today along with all his coaches. £10million in debt which is rising circa £100k every month currently. Playing budget reduced from £2.2million to £900k in the conference next season (I have no idea where that sits with the rest of the teams in there but assume mid table). Plenty of terrible players under contract for next season who will struggle at NL level including Chris O'Grady on £4k per week. Attendances tumbling. No trust from the fans in anyone at board level.
It's bad. It's very bad. I'm gutted you lot went down as it would have been a 10 minute away, away day for me.
Yeah you lot sound screwed unless you get the right man in next season. I've heard Ronnie Moore is after the job. Good luck with that! The worrying thing is, a lot of our fans see Moore as a decent option, but a lot also see Nicky Law as a decent option based on him winning us the league while paying a number of players with brown envelopes years ago. I'm sure you all remember Luke Beckett. Not a clue who we will end up with but I have no trust in the men making the decision that it will be a good one or one in the best interest of the club. A terrible season all round for my football club and a club in Chester that I am very fond of.
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Post by chesterken on Apr 25, 2018 10:23:41 GMT
Yeah you lot sound screwed unless you get the right man in next season. I've heard Ronnie Moore is after the job. Good luck with that! The worrying thing is, a lot of our fans see Moore as a decent option, but a lot also see Nicky Law as a decent option based on him winning us the league while paying a number of players with brown envelopes years ago. I'm sure you all remember Luke Beckett. Not a clue who we will end up with but I have no trust in the men making the decision that it will be a good one or one in the best interest of the club. A terrible season all round for my football club and a club in Chester that I am very fond of. Your not the secret investor by any chance 😀
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Post by devablue on Apr 25, 2018 10:50:45 GMT
Salford coming up are a problem, but I'd potentially disagree with the Chesterfield part. They may quite as easily be a Leyton Orient or Hartlepool. There is every chance we will go down again, making it 3 relegations in 3 seasons. We are a complete shambles on and off the pitch. Lester has gone today along with all his coaches. £10million in debt which is rising circa £100k every month currently. Playing budget reduced from £2.2million to £900k in the conference next season (I have no idea where that sits with the rest of the teams in there but assume mid table). Plenty of terrible players under contract for next season who will struggle at NL level including Chris O'Grady on £4k per week. Attendances tumbling. No trust from the fans in anyone at board level.
It's bad. It's very bad. I'm gutted you lot went down as it would have been a 10 minute away, away day for me.
For what it's worth, £900k sounds like a top 5 budget for this league. Tranmere, Salford, the other L2 relegation team and maybe Leyton Orient and Hartlepool with their new owner(s), could rival that. Not sure if Wrexham get near that being fan-owned?
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Post by Wortleyblue on Apr 25, 2018 11:20:17 GMT
There is every chance we will go down again, making it 3 relegations in 3 seasons. We are a complete shambles on and off the pitch. Lester has gone today along with all his coaches. £10million in debt which is rising circa £100k every month currently. Playing budget reduced from £2.2million to £900k in the conference next season (I have no idea where that sits with the rest of the teams in there but assume mid table). Plenty of terrible players under contract for next season who will struggle at NL level including Chris O'Grady on £4k per week. Attendances tumbling. No trust from the fans in anyone at board level.
It's bad. It's very bad. I'm gutted you lot went down as it would have been a 10 minute away, away day for me.
For what it's worth, £900k sounds like a top 5 budget for this league. Tranmere, Salford, the other L2 relegation team and maybe Leyton Orient and Hartlepool with their new owner(s), could rival that. Not sure if Wrexham get near that being fan-owned? and Macclesfield's budget was what? I don't think it was anywhere near £900k and I imagine Barrow had a decent budget so you never know
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Post by Matt on Apr 25, 2018 11:25:55 GMT
For what it's worth, £900k sounds like a top 5 budget for this league. Tranmere, Salford, the other L2 relegation team and maybe Leyton Orient and Hartlepool with their new owner(s), could rival that. Not sure if Wrexham get near that being fan-owned? and Macclesfield's budget was what? I don't think it was anywhere near £900k and I imagine Barrow had a decent budget so you never know Macclesfield's budget was considerably less than ours.
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Post by devablue on Apr 25, 2018 12:18:25 GMT
and Macclesfield's budget was what? I don't think it was anywhere near £900k and I imagine Barrow had a decent budget so you never know Macclesfield's budget was considerably less than ours. Just had a look on Chesterfield's fan forum. It's quite funny, some of them think that a £1 million wage budget isn't enough to be competitive in the National League. Macc just won the league on what, £350-£400k?
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Post by Matt on Apr 25, 2018 12:33:07 GMT
Macclesfield's budget was considerably less than ours. Just had a look on Chesterfield's fan forum. It's quite funny, some of them think that a £1 million wage budget isn't enough to be competitive in the National League. Macc just won the league on what, £350-£400k? According to a Macc version of Dave Powell it's close to 300K which I find staggering. If you get a team to gel and work together it's possible but with the success they have had I can imagine most of those players will want a massive increase in wage and why not they deserve it.
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Post by devablue on Apr 25, 2018 12:38:21 GMT
Just had a look on Chesterfield's fan forum. It's quite funny, some of them think that a £1 million wage budget isn't enough to be competitive in the National League. Macc just won the league on what, £350-£400k? According to a Macc version of Dave Powell it's close to 300K which I find staggering. If you get a team to gel and work together it's possible but with the success they have had I can imagine most of those players will want a massive increase in wage and why not they deserve it. Incredible really. Yeah it will be tough for Macc to compete financially in L2 with the players (and agents) probably wanting close to double what they would be on now. Hard to see them staying up but with Askey in charge who knows, just look at Accrington..
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Post by Matt on Apr 25, 2018 12:53:41 GMT
According to a Macc version of Dave Powell it's close to 300K which I find staggering. If you get a team to gel and work together it's possible but with the success they have had I can imagine most of those players will want a massive increase in wage and why not they deserve it. Incredible really. Yeah it will be tough for Macc to compete financially in L2 with the players (and agents) probably wanting close to double what they would be on now. Hard to see them staying up but with Askey in charge who knows, just look at Accrington.. Exactly it could happen but money just goes more crazy in the Football League these days. They will struggled on gates of 1,800. A standard Club in League Two gets near 4,000 these days, The maxium was over 20,000! Football League has left the conference behind, it used to be closer.
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Post by neutral on Apr 25, 2018 13:22:27 GMT
The worrying thing is, a lot of our fans see Moore as a decent option, but a lot also see Nicky Law as a decent option based on him winning us the league while paying a number of players with brown envelopes years ago. I'm sure you all remember Luke Beckett. Not a clue who we will end up with but I have no trust in the men making the decision that it will be a good one or one in the best interest of the club. A terrible season all round for my football club and a club in Chester that I am very fond of. Your not the secret investor by any chance 😀 I wish. If I was last nights Euro Millions winner then there may have been a chance.
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Post by neutral on Apr 25, 2018 13:27:43 GMT
Just had a look on Chesterfield's fan forum. It's quite funny, some of them think that a £1 million wage budget isn't enough to be competitive in the National League. Macc just won the league on what, £350-£400k? According to a Macc version of Dave Powell it's close to 300K which I find staggering. If you get a team to gel and work together it's possible but with the success they have had I can imagine most of those players will want a massive increase in wage and why not they deserve it. The issue is, of the £900k budget for next season a big chunk of that will be swallowed up by players already under contract. Sound familiar? Chris O'Grady is supposedly on £4k a week with a 20% reduction relegation clause. So if we cant get rid in the summer then he will be swallowing £200k of that on his own.
It all depends who we get in to manage the wasters that are under contract, obviously. The NL is a complete unknown to us so it's difficult to be positive even with a supposed competitive budget.
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Post by 1967blue Chester Lads on Apr 25, 2018 13:35:45 GMT
Not being disrespectful but don't care about Wrexham we need to get our own house in order before we start taking the piss Well said. The gloating is a bit embarrassing TBH. OK Wrexham come over as Billy Big Bollocks at the start of every season but what would we give to be in their position e.g. National league, we'll run, financially stable, secure future, large fanbase etc. I know it's banter but gloating at their failure to get out of this league AGAIN is a bit churlish and smacks of envy and small mindedness bearing in mind our precarious position. Absolutely bullshit. They come on here winding us up so have some back. Every Chester fan should be made up there not going up or even in the play offs. There's something wrong with u if u don't.
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Post by Matt on Apr 25, 2018 13:45:36 GMT
Not being disrespectful but don't care about Wrexham we need to get our own house in order before we start taking the piss Well said. The gloating is a bit embarrassing TBH. OK Wrexham come over as Billy Big Bollocks at the start of every season but what would we give to be in their position e.g. National league, we'll run, financially stable, secure future, large fanbase etc. I know it's banter but gloating at their failure to get out of this league AGAIN is a bit churlish and smacks of envy and small mindedness bearing in mind our precarious position. A lot are blaming the current board for their bad form, letting Keates go without a fight and hiring a PE teacher. Twitter is a fun place, they're in complete and utter meltdown.
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Post by rossettred on Apr 25, 2018 21:08:33 GMT
Well said. The gloating is a bit embarrassing TBH. OK Wrexham come over as Billy Big Bollocks at the start of every season but what would we give to be in their position e.g. National league, we'll run, financially stable, secure future, large fanbase etc. I know it's banter but gloating at their failure to get out of this league AGAIN is a bit churlish and smacks of envy and small mindedness bearing in mind our precarious position. Absolutely bullshit. They come on here winding us up so have some back. Every Chester fan should be made up there not going up or even in the play offs. There's something wrong with u if u don't. I was dissapointed for the Chester supporters I know when you were relegated and for a number of other reasons previously posted by me. However, when I read comments like yours i don't feel so bad - anyway - enjoy your trip to Curzon Ashton next season - oh and Chorley
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Post by jb on Apr 25, 2018 21:15:15 GMT
Absolutely bullshit. They come on here winding us up so have some back. Every Chester fan should be made up there not going up or even in the play offs. There's something wrong with u if u don't. I was dissapointed for the Chester supporters I know when you were relegated and for a number of other reasons previously posted by me. However, when I read comments like yours i don't feel so bad - anyway - enjoy your trip to Curzon Ashton next season - oh and Chorley Enjoy the Kent and District Conference. Some nice local games like Dartford, Maidstone, Dover etc to look forward to.
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Post by thetheremin on Apr 25, 2018 23:06:09 GMT
Is Wrexham AFC well-run? Really?
Who owns the ground? Why have they had to hold fund raisers in recent years. Some years have seen eye watering losses in the hundreds of thousands. 11 years in the conference. Parts of the stadium crumbling to bits.
I know we’ve been shit but seriously Wrexham aren’t a role model for us.
I suspect the business model is as fragile as ours. One bad season, one catastrophic managerial appointment and who knows
Reality is fans of either club can’t gloat at each other. We’re both way off where we should be. Both on our arses. Totally.
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Post by 1967blue Chester Lads on Apr 26, 2018 6:41:32 GMT
I was dissapointed for the Chester supporters I know when you were relegated and for a number of other reasons previously posted by me. However, when I read comments like yours i don't feel so bad - anyway - enjoy your trip to Curzon Ashton next season - oh and Chorley Enjoy the Kent and District Conference. Some nice local games like Dartford, Maidstone, Dover etc to look forward to. Why don't u go and play on dead passion. It must be in meltdown mode. 11 years and your still shite. We've achieved more than you since reforming. 3 promotions in a row and you can't even get out. DO ONE GOAT.
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Post by Harry Lime on Apr 26, 2018 6:48:04 GMT
According to a Macc version of Dave Powell it's close to 300K which I find staggering. If you get a team to gel and work together it's possible but with the success they have had I can imagine most of those players will want a massive increase in wage and why not they deserve it. The issue is, of the £900k budget for next season a big chunk of that will be swallowed up by players already under contract. Sound familiar? Chris O'Grady is supposedly on £4k a week with a 20% reduction relegation clause. So if we cant get rid in the summer then he will be swallowing £200k of that on his own.
It all depends who we get in to manage the wasters that are under contract, obviously. The NL is a complete unknown to us so it's difficult to be positive even with a supposed competitive budget.
Wrexham had a budget of around £900k according to one of their directors. You'll be pushing play offs if you used it well. You may get lucky and some players will want to stay in the football league, and leave. You get a £400k relegation payment for two seasons too. A consolation is that this is the worst standard National League for years. The teams at the top are far worse than any time in last 20 years. The ones at the bottom are usually reasonable and difficult to play against. It is the worst of both worlds. The teams are organised and physical (mainly) and limited. But they are professional enough to use all the fouls and time wasting tricks seen higher up. Best of luck next season.
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Post by rossettred on Apr 26, 2018 7:29:34 GMT
Enjoy the Kent and District Conference. Some nice local games like Dartford, Maidstone, Dover etc to look forward to. Why don't u go and play on dead passion. It must be in meltdown mode. 11 years and your still shite. We've achieved more than you since reforming. 3 promotions in a row and you can't even get out. DO ONE GOAT. Were you replying to me or JB - I'm sure he's not a Goat! You have some really good posters on here - you are clearly not one of them - otherwise you would have noticed it is Chester that has been RELEGATED not Wrexham. To suggest you have achieved more since reforming is quite a bizarre statement. If that was the case why were your true supporters standing at the Cae Ras recently with buckets (which I contributed to) and why have you been relegated? If you can't work it out yourself ask one of your brighter fans.
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Post by billyw on Apr 26, 2018 7:30:25 GMT
Enjoy the Kent and District Conference. Some nice local games like Dartford, Maidstone, Dover etc to look forward to. Why don't u go and play on dead passion. It must be in meltdown mode. 11 years and your still shite. We've achieved more than you since reforming. 3 promotions in a row and you can't even get out. DO ONE GOAT. Christ there's some embarrassing posts on here. Are you seriously saying that promotions in the glue leagues are a greater achievement than maintaining a position in the National League.
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Post by rossettred on Apr 26, 2018 8:04:18 GMT
Is Wrexham AFC well-run? Really? Who owns the ground? Why have they had to hold fund raisers in recent years. Some years have seen eye watering losses in the hundreds of thousands. 11 years in the conference. Parts of the stadium crumbling to bits. I know we’ve been shit but seriously Wrexham aren’t a role model for us. I suspect the business model is as fragile as ours. One bad season, one catastrophic managerial appointment and who knows Reality is fans of either club can’t gloat at each other. We’re both way off where we should be. Both on our arses. Totally. What are you on about - don't you remember Gary Mills? And the supporters still come back year on year for more. Seriously, I wish we were playing each other in League 2 next season - we are both very much shadows of our former selves and its sad to see. To be fair though - we do have much bigger floodlights than you
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Post by blue4life on Apr 26, 2018 8:19:16 GMT
I find it absolutely hilarious that they didn’t make the play offs.
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Post by Malcolm Tucker on Apr 26, 2018 8:26:52 GMT
I find it absolutely hilarious that they didn’t make the play offs. As I’m sure they find it hilarious that we get relegated. I’d rather just miss out on the play offs than got relegated so, mildly amusing though I may find it, I won’t be mocking their failure.
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Post by Si on Apr 26, 2018 8:45:05 GMT
Of course we are a bit of a shambles at the moment and in no position to mock anyone, but can't help but feel quite amused that the bottle jobs up the road have done it again. They will get out of this league sooner rather than later I imagine, and are run much better than us, but its a football rivalry and of course we're going to enjoy that, in the same way that most Wrexham fans will be having a chuckle at us going down. The only downside for Wrexham is the missed finance of the derby, plus the loss of a better looking fixture than Bromley at home.
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Post by Lobster on Apr 26, 2018 8:50:25 GMT
Of course we are a bit of a shambles at the moment and in no position to mock anyone, but can't help but feel quite amused that the bottle jobs up the road have done it again. They will get out of this league sooner rather than later I imagine, and are run much better than us, but its a football rivalry and of course we're going to enjoy that, in the same way that most Wrexham fans will be having a chuckle at us going down. The only downside for Wrexham is the missed finance of the derby, plus the loss of a better looking fixture than Bromley at home. Agree with this. Personally, I'm also made up that MK Dons are getting relegated and hopefully AFC Wimbledon are staying up at their expense. Honestly never thought that was any more than a romantic idea but now it looks likely. We can all have a giggle at teams we don't like doing badly, just best if we don't fixate on them. Myself, I'm not that keen on "we hate Wrexham" chants at games, because 99.9% of the time Wrexham aren't playing and we should be supporting Chester rather than hating Wrexham.
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Post by MOC on Apr 26, 2018 9:13:04 GMT
Of course we are a bit of a shambles at the moment and in no position to mock anyone, but can't help but feel quite amused that the bottle jobs up the road have done it again. They will get out of this league sooner rather than later I imagine, and are run much better than us, but its a football rivalry and of course we're going to enjoy that, in the same way that most Wrexham fans will be having a chuckle at us going down. The only downside for Wrexham is the missed finance of the derby, plus the loss of a better looking fixture than Bromley at home. Agreed with this. I'd guess that when Man City tumbled down to the third tier in 1998 that many of their fans would have still had a chuckle at seeing Man United letting the Premier League title slip away that season.
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Post by sammychester on Apr 26, 2018 9:19:01 GMT
HAHAHA Wrexham hahaha
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