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Post by Tomos on Mar 7, 2017 16:29:20 GMT
I don't think Wrexham's current league position is the lowest point in their history. I think the lowest point in Wrexham's history was when they took all that public money from the university to continue living beyond their means when education and the NHS in Wales were in crisis. Fake news. Care to expand on this nonsense Another controversial decision for Glyndwr came in 2011, when the university bought Wrexham’s Racecourse Stadium for £1.8 million. Figures seen by THE show that in the three years since the deal, the stadium has cost more than £3 million, while bringing in nearly £580,000 from Wrexham Football Club from rental, hospitality and other sources. Times Higher Education 17 July 2014 Ring any bells? |
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Post by massivefloodlights on Mar 7, 2017 17:32:41 GMT
Fake news. Care to expand on this nonsense Another controversial decision for Glyndwr came in 2011, when the university bought Wrexham’s Racecourse Stadium for £1.8 million. Figures seen by THE show that in the three years since the deal, the stadium has cost more than £3 million, while bringing in nearly £580,000 from Wrexham Football Club from rental, hospitality and other sources. Times Higher Education 17 July 2014 Ring any bells? Got your wires crossed la. Any money Glyndwr took, rental, hospitality etc etc went to erm Glyndwr. Rental was a bit contentious because despite it being offset by shirt sponsorship the football club were left to pick up the tab for certain maintenance jobs required around the ground. |
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Post by blue4life on Mar 8, 2017 11:11:06 GMT
Decision in the next 14 days
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Post by eyeswideopen on Mar 8, 2017 12:08:09 GMT
I would love to know what the definitive explanation of failing to control their players actually is.
At what point does this tick the box, as ( according to the charges being dropped against the club) obviously one player striking another in the face doesn't, but a mass brawl obviously does.( See dozens of other cases)
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Post by Tomos on Mar 8, 2017 13:10:51 GMT
Another controversial decision for Glyndwr came in 2011, when the university bought Wrexham’s Racecourse Stadium for £1.8 million. Figures seen by THE show that in the three years since the deal, the stadium has cost more than £3 million, while bringing in nearly £580,000 from Wrexham Football Club from rental, hospitality and other sources. Times Higher Education 17 July 2014 Ring any bells? Got your wires crossed la. Any money Glyndwr took, rental, hospitality etc etc went to erm Glyndwr. Rental was a bit contentious because despite it being offset by shirt sponsorship the football club were left to pick up the tab for certain maintenance jobs required around the ground. I think you've misread the copy'n'paste from the Times HE. What it says is that between 2011 and 2014 the university spent £4.8 million on buying the Racecourse, clearing Wrexham FC's debt, and maintaining the ground. In return they received £580,000. Thus they were out of pocket by about £4.2 million. This is classic sugar-daddy territory. With the difference that the shortfall here was borne by public money. Which comes from taxpayers. Many of whom thought it would have been better directed towards education or health, areas in which Wales was (and is) struggling. You are right when you say that Wrexham's rental was 'contentious'. To the best of my knowledge they didn't pay any for at least the first two years. |
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Post by YDdraigCoch on Mar 8, 2017 13:50:23 GMT
Glyndwr bought an asset and then spent money bringing that asset to a certain standard. When you buy a house and rent it you do the same. You don't then expect to get all that money back in 1 year, that's just stupid.
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Post by eyeswideopen on Mar 8, 2017 18:06:20 GMT
Glyndwr bought an asset and then spent money bringing that asset to a certain standard. When you buy a house and rent it you do the same. You don't then expect to get all that money back in 1 year, that's just stupid. True, but at the same time you don't ask all of your neighbours to chip in with the mortgage either |
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Post by englishred on Mar 8, 2017 19:22:50 GMT
Got your wires crossed la. Any money Glyndwr took, rental, hospitality etc etc went to erm Glyndwr. Rental was a bit contentious because despite it being offset by shirt sponsorship the football club were left to pick up the tab for certain maintenance jobs required around the ground. I think you've misread the copy'n'paste from the Times HE. What it says is that between 2011 and 2014 the university spent £4.8 million on buying the Racecourse, clearing Wrexham FC's debt, and maintaining the ground. In return they received £580,000. Thus they were out of pocket by about £4.2 million. This is classic sugar-daddy territory. With the difference that the shortfall here was borne by public money. Which comes from taxpayers. Many of whom thought it would have been better directed towards education or health, areas in which Wales was (and is) struggling. You are right when you say that Wrexham's rental was 'contentious'. To the best of my knowledge they didn't pay any for at least the first two years. Glyndwr didn't pay off the club's debts. Where has this come from? If the 4.8 mil had gone to the club you'd have a point, but it didnt. How is us renting the ground off the university any different to Chester renting their ground off the Council? |
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Post by Buckley Blue on Mar 8, 2017 19:32:56 GMT
All that money and it's still a 3 sided shithole
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Post by englishred on Mar 8, 2017 19:38:28 GMT
All that money and it's still a 3 sided shithole Stadium envy |
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Post by Buckley Blue on Mar 8, 2017 19:40:03 GMT
Floodlight envy lol but the rest is poor
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Post by englishred on Mar 8, 2017 19:44:46 GMT
Floodlight envy lol but the rest is poor It is showing its age in places. Can't beat the feeling in those old grounds though. I bet you guys would have Sealand Road back if you could. Also for modern convenience the Mold Road stand is good. Nice wide concourse. Good toilets. Plentiful refreshment areas including a licensed bar. TV screens showing football before the game. It's pretty great. |
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Post by wxmred on Mar 9, 2017 17:32:35 GMT
3 match ban apparently.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Mar 9, 2017 18:18:33 GMT
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Post by zipper on Mar 9, 2017 18:50:36 GMT
Why worry about the welsh fa,im more upset about the corrupt english fa.
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Post by Blue Boy on Mar 9, 2017 20:47:20 GMT
So that's effectively a £100 fine? Not much of a deterrent really. |
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Post by Guest on Mar 9, 2017 20:55:48 GMT
Except that some idiot has cost the club he claims to support £100 unnecessarily
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 21:15:15 GMT
So that's effectively a £100 fine? Not much of a deterrent really. That's a £100 fine assuming no more incidents are reported between now and the end of next season. |
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Post by paulie on Mar 9, 2017 21:31:55 GMT
So that's effectively a £100 fine? Not much of a deterrent really. That's a £100 fine assuming no more incidents are reported between now and the end of next season. But £500 is hardly going to raise any pulses. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 22:27:14 GMT
That's a £100 fine assuming no more incidents are reported between now and the end of next season. But £500 is hardly going to raise any pulses. 'It is therefore imperative that supporters realise that any future incidents will see the club receive a hefty financial penalty over and above the suspended fine'. |
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Post by englishred on Mar 10, 2017 7:51:06 GMT
Except that some idiot has cost the club he claims to support £100 unnecessarily Exactly. Didn't Chester have similar issues a few years ago? Everyone knows you aren't allowed smoke bombs and flares and that it will result in a fine for the club but those sort of people don't care. |
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Post by Krankie's Ghost on Mar 10, 2017 11:04:11 GMT
3 match ban for violent conduct. Bang on the money from the Welsh FA. No-one was seriously injured - exactly the same ban as Ibrahimovic from the English FA.
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Post by Tomos on Mar 11, 2017 11:23:57 GMT
I think you've misread the copy'n'paste from the Times HE. What it says is that between 2011 and 2014 the university spent £4.8 million on buying the Racecourse, clearing Wrexham FC's debt, and maintaining the ground. In return they received £580,000. Thus they were out of pocket by about £4.2 million. This is classic sugar-daddy territory. With the difference that the shortfall here was borne by public money. Which comes from taxpayers. Many of whom thought it would have been better directed towards education or health, areas in which Wales was (and is) struggling. You are right when you say that Wrexham's rental was 'contentious'. To the best of my knowledge they didn't pay any for at least the first two years. Glyndwr didn't pay off the club's debts. Where has this come from? If the 4.8 mil had gone to the club you'd have a point, but it didnt. How is us renting the ground off the university any different to Chester renting their ground off the Council? Of the £1.8million that Glyndwr paid for the Racecourse, £1.3 million went to owner, and £500,000 to the Wrexham Supporters Trust to enable them to return the club to a situation in which it could operate. So Glyndwr paid out half a million pounds of public money above the amount that the owner was content to receive for the ground. (It is presently valued at £1.35m.) Chester's renting of the Deva Stadium is a very different situation. The council already owned a football ground, and if they did not have a football club to play on it they would be left with a dead asset. And it's what council's do - as well as providing services they act as landlords, both residential and commercial, and their financing is set up to support this. So it is very much to the Chester Council's benefit to have a tenant. Universities, on the other hand, are generally understood to provide higher education, not to use £4.8 million of public funds to prop up a failed football club. The figures quoted by the Times HE indicate that the university was seriously in deficit in the years referred to. All in all, it adds up to a very hefty taxpayer subsidy to Wrexham FC. |
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Post by Red&WhiteDynamite on Mar 11, 2017 12:35:44 GMT
Glyndwr didn't pay off the club's debts. Where has this come from? If the 4.8 mil had gone to the club you'd have a point, but it didnt. How is us renting the ground off the university any different to Chester renting their ground off the Council? Of the £1.8million that Glyndwr paid for the Racecourse, £1.3 million went to owner, and £500,000 to the Wrexham Supporters Trust to enable them to return the club to a situation in which it could operate. So Glyndwr paid out half a million pounds of public money above the amount that the owner was content to receive for the ground. (It is presently valued at £1.35m.) Chester's renting of the Deva Stadium is a very different situation. The council already owned a football ground, and if they did not have a football club to play on it they would be left with a dead asset. And it's what council's do - as well as providing services they act as landlords, both residential and commercial, and their financing is set up to support this. So it is very much to the Chester Council's benefit to have a tenant. Universities, on the other hand, are generally understood to provide higher education, not to use £4.8 million of public funds to prop up a failed football club. The figures quoted by the Times HE indicate that the university was seriously in deficit in the years referred to. All in all, it adds up to a very hefty taxpayer subsidy to Wrexham FC. Wrexham Supporters Trust did not receive 500K off Glyndwr. Get your facts right |
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Post by englishred on Mar 11, 2017 15:57:43 GMT
Glyndwr didn't pay off the club's debts. Where has this come from? If the 4.8 mil had gone to the club you'd have a point, but it didnt. How is us renting the ground off the university any different to Chester renting their ground off the Council? Of the £1.8million that Glyndwr paid for the Racecourse, £1.3 million went to owner, and £500,000 to the Wrexham Supporters Trust to enable them to return the club to a situation in which it could operate. So Glyndwr paid out half a million pounds of public money above the amount that the owner was content to receive for the ground. (It is presently valued at £1.35m.) Chester's renting of the Deva Stadium is a very different situation. The council already owned a football ground, and if they did not have a football club to play on it they would be left with a dead asset. And it's what council's do - as well as providing services they act as landlords, both residential and commercial, and their financing is set up to support this. So it is very much to the Chester Council's benefit to have a tenant. Universities, on the other hand, are generally understood to provide higher education, not to use £4.8 million of public funds to prop up a failed football club. The figures quoted by the Times HE indicate that the university was seriously in deficit in the years referred to. All in all, it adds up to a very hefty taxpayer subsidy to Wrexham FC. So first of all you've gone from suggesting Wrexham football club received almost 5 million and got the debts paid off (a ludicrous claim) to then saying that WST got 500k (an unsubstantiated claim). I guess you don't like Wrexham FC and that's fine but now you are just making stuff up claiming to be in the know when it's clear you don't know anything. As for the Exacta/Deva being an unsaleable asset. Its a substantial piece of land on the edge of an existing retail area. It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to imagine that it would fetch a decent price for commercial redevelopment. That would certainly bring the Council in a much better amount than whatever peppercorn rent they charge the club. Thankfully they obviously see the benefit to the community to retain the club in its current home. As Glyndwr saw the value as a community asset as well as for their educational and sporting portfolio. Mud slinging based on made up 'facts' is pointless. |
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Post by Tomos on Mar 13, 2017 11:59:32 GMT
I know it is difficult (and inconvenient) for you to believe but -
WREXHAM’S Glyndwr University has bought the Racecourse Stadium in a historic £1.8m deal.
Want-away club owner Geoff Moss said yesterday (Wednesday) it was the major hurdle paving the way for Wrexham FC to be sold.
Mr Moss said the ball was firmly in the WST’s court, with £500,000 from the Glyndwr deal to be given to the trust to kick-start their tenure as owners when the takeover is complete.
Daily Post 4 Aug 2011
It was also covered extensively in the local press and various Wrexham forums.
A football ground is a specialised structure and if you own one you look for a specialised tenant. It doesn't make sense for an educational institution to go out of its way to acquire one when its tenants have previously proved that they cannot sustain it. Chester's tenancy makes commercial sense for the landlord. The Times HE figures indicate that Wrexham's definitely did not.
Whether I 'don't like' Wrexham is neither here nor there. What I'don't like' is for public funds, supplied by Welsh and English taxpayers, to be used to prop up a failed football club.
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Post by massivefloodlights on Mar 13, 2017 15:21:47 GMT
I know it is difficult (and inconvenient) for you to believe but - WREXHAM’S Glyndwr University has bought the Racecourse Stadium in a historic £1.8m deal. Want-away club owner Geoff Moss said yesterday (Wednesday) it was the major hurdle paving the way for Wrexham FC to be sold. Mr Moss said the ball was firmly in the WST’s court, with £500,000 from the Glyndwr deal to be given to the trust to kick-start their tenure as owners when the takeover is complete. Daily Post 4 Aug 2011 It was also covered extensively in the local press and various Wrexham forums. A football ground is a specialised structure and if you own one you look for a specialised tenant. It doesn't make sense for an educational institution to go out of its way to acquire one when its tenants have previously proved that they cannot sustain it. Chester's tenancy makes commercial sense for the landlord. The Times HE figures indicate that Wrexham's definitely did not. Whether I 'don't like' Wrexham is neither here nor there. What I'don't like' is for public funds, supplied by Welsh and English taxpayers, to be used to prop up a failed football club. Mate, Geoff fucking Moss didn't didn't give Wrexham supporters trust 5 quid let alone 500k |
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Post by englishred on Mar 14, 2017 7:57:58 GMT
I know it is difficult (and inconvenient) for you to believe but - WREXHAM’S Glyndwr University has bought the Racecourse Stadium in a historic £1.8m deal. Want-away club owner Geoff Moss said yesterday (Wednesday) it was the major hurdle paving the way for Wrexham FC to be sold. Mr Moss said the ball was firmly in the WST’s court, with £500,000 from the Glyndwr deal to be given to the trust to kick-start their tenure as owners when the takeover is complete. Daily Post 4 Aug 2011 It was also covered extensively in the local press and various Wrexham forums. A football ground is a specialised structure and if you own one you look for a specialised tenant. It doesn't make sense for an educational institution to go out of its way to acquire one when its tenants have previously proved that they cannot sustain it. Chester's tenancy makes commercial sense for the landlord. The Times HE figures indicate that Wrexham's definitely did not. Whether I 'don't like' Wrexham is neither here nor there. What I'don't like' is for public funds, supplied by Welsh and English taxpayers, to be used to prop up a failed football club. Mate, Geoff fucking Moss didn't didn't give Wrexham supporters trust 5 quid let alone 500k It's like the money from the section 106 on the flats development. In theory it's going to the WST in practice they haven't had a bean. Yet more Geoff Moss deceipt. Also 'Tomos' (nice Welsh name btw) I'm still not convinced Cheshire and Chester West waiving a proper ground rent for the Exacta is much different given that Council budgets have been cut to the bone. The money received from disposing of the site could have secured an essential council service. So basically the club didn't receive any money from the sale of its ground (and Colliers park remember, built with the money from our FA cup quarter final run) it all going instead to our previous owner. Colliers park is still used almost exclusively by the University and we have to train somewhere else. Yeah we really did well from that whole deal. |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Mar 14, 2017 9:42:14 GMT
Mate, Geoff fucking Moss didn't didn't give Wrexham supporters trust 5 quid let alone 500k It's like the money from the section 106 on the flats development. In theory it's going to the WST in practice they haven't had a bean. Yet more Geoff Moss deceipt. Also 'Tomos' (nice Welsh name btw) I'm still not convinced Cheshire and Chester West waiving a proper ground rent for the Exacta is much different given that Council budgets have been cut to the bone. The money received from disposing of the site could have secured an essential council service. So basically the club didn't receive any money from the sale of its ground (and Colliers park remember, built with the money from our FA cup quarter final run) it all going instead to our previous owner. Colliers park is still used almost exclusively by the University and we have to train somewhere else. Yeah we really did well from that whole deal. What the hell has this got to do with the OP  |
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