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Post by loskasleftfoot on May 13, 2018 18:16:17 GMT
They've made the play off final and seem to be regular visitors to Wembley.
They have a tidy new ground and are successful. We used to be equal rivals.
Where did we go so wrong ?
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Post by Al on May 13, 2018 18:20:58 GMT
They've made the play off final and seem to be regular visitors to Wembley. They have a tidy new ground and are successful. We used to be equal rivals. Where did we go so wrong ? Vaughan, that's where
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Post by South Wirral Blue on May 13, 2018 19:57:04 GMT
They've had their ups and downs but they've generally been run very well over the last 10/15 years. We've been run dreadfully during that same time - bar those first 4 or 5 seasons after reforming.
Their location is possibly more favourable than ours. They don't have the likes of Wrexham and Tranmere on their doorstep and can draw good support from the mid-Wales area.
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Post by waggoner on May 13, 2018 20:28:43 GMT
They've made the play off final and seem to be regular visitors to Wembley. They have a tidy new ground and are successful. We used to be equal rivals. Where did we go so wrong ? well let's see. How many clubs would survive...Barnes, Guttermann, Smith (the mad yank) Vaughan. The loss of our ground that was stolen off us,2 years playing in Macclesfield, 2 administrations, 1 liquidation, plus all of the shit we had to put up with? add to that money problems, relegations. I fact it's amazing that we still have any type of club to support, or any fans who bother to go.
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Post by devablue on May 13, 2018 21:08:56 GMT
They've made the play off final and seem to be regular visitors to Wembley. They have a tidy new ground and are successful. We used to be equal rivals. Where did we go so wrong ? Ownership mostly. Also I think the isolated geography of shrewsbury helps them in that they have less of the armchair liverpool/man united fans that you get in Chester. Also, they may be regular visitors to Wembley, but they don't have a good record there. Think they've lost their last 3 visits there?
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2018 7:18:31 GMT
Great Post Waggoner, Couldn’t agree more, Especially on robbed ground, Morrison Shand Fiasco was a disgrace & no wonder the council at the time went for it, I’ve no doubt more then a few back handlers went with that deal! It’s always been the case of rogues ripping us off & allowed to get away with it. My only hope Is that we have finally seen the end of all the bullshit we have fans have had to put up with over the years. About bleeding time
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Post by Hannibal on May 14, 2018 7:52:11 GMT
They've made the play off final and seem to be regular visitors to Wembley. They have a tidy new ground and are successful. We used to be equal rivals. Where did we go so wrong ? Vaughan, that's where I don't think it's all down to Vaughan. Mad Terry lost us the place in the EFL which was ours for ever barring an absolute catastrophe ... and he was it.
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Post by Al on May 14, 2018 8:04:18 GMT
I don't think it's all down to Vaughan. Mad Terry lost us the place in the EFL which was ours for ever barring an absolute catastrophe ... and he was it. We were level pegging with Shrewsbury till that muppet destroyed us.
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Post by Hannibal on May 14, 2018 8:11:31 GMT
Plus we were royally ripped off by Morrison Shand.
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Post by Churton Blue on May 14, 2018 8:21:56 GMT
I don't think it's all down to Vaughan. Mad Terry lost us the place in the EFL which was ours for ever barring an absolute catastrophe ... and he was it. We were level pegging with Shrewsbury till that muppet destroyed us. It is true that they were promoted with us in 2004 after their only season in non league. Since then their AVERAGE attendance has been around the 5,500 mark over 13 seasons. When was the last single season we averaged 5,500 ?
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Post by Al on May 14, 2018 8:23:01 GMT
Plus we were royally ripped off by Morrison Shand. Yes we were but the OP said we were level with them, and asked where it went wrong. Same applies with Doncaster. They kicked on, built a nice new stadium, spent time in the higher echolons of the Football league.
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Post by dmcnally on May 14, 2018 8:32:00 GMT
Plus we were royally ripped off by Morrison Shand. Yes we were but the OP said we were level with them, and asked where it went wrong. Same applies with Doncaster. They kicked on, built a nice new stadium, spent time in the higher echolons of the Football league. Does that mean it’s our turn to build a big multi purpose stadium in the city centre and go up to the top of the football league? How much did you say you were investing Mr. Murphy😃
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Post by Imperial on May 14, 2018 9:26:17 GMT
Yes we were but the OP said we were level with them, and asked where it went wrong. Same applies with Doncaster. They kicked on, built a nice new stadium, spent time in the higher echolons of the Football league. Does that mean it’s our turn to build a big multi purpose stadium in the city centre and go up to the top of the football league? How much did you say you were investing Mr. Murphy😃 We could put it where the Northgate Arena is.
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Post by loskasleftfoot on May 14, 2018 11:14:55 GMT
Does that mean it’s our turn to build a big multi purpose stadium in the city centre and go up to the top of the football league? How much did you say you were investing Mr. Murphy😃 We could put it where the North gate Arena is. Living the dream
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Post by Imperial on May 14, 2018 11:44:37 GMT
We could put it where the North gate Arena is. Living the dream Floodlights so big you can see them from Cardiff 😂
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Post by Hannibal on May 14, 2018 12:09:17 GMT
Plus we were royally ripped off by Morrison Shand. Yes we were but the OP said we were level with them, and asked where it went wrong. Same applies with Doncaster. They kicked on, built a nice new stadium, spent time in the higher echolons of the Football league. You seem to be agreeing with me Al. Morrison Shand promised us a Championship/L1 stadium and what we got was a National League stadium and that's where we are stuck. The capacity of our stadium was originally given as 6,000, but there have never been that amount of fans in it even when people were locked out (Preston NE, Scarborough and probably others). They killed any chance we had of growing. There will never be more than 4,500 fans in it because it has no facilities, no character and the police have got us where they want us and will never let any more than the above figure in. In an ideal world we'd have a similar sized stadium to Shrewsbury built somewhere near to where the Rugby Club is. Impossible dream.
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Post by dmcnally on May 14, 2018 13:12:05 GMT
Yes we were but the OP said we were level with them, and asked where it went wrong. Same applies with Doncaster. They kicked on, built a nice new stadium, spent time in the higher echolons of the Football league. You seem to be agreeing with me Al. Morrison Shand promised us a Championship/L1 stadium and what we got was a National League stadium and that's where we are stuck. The capacity of our stadium was originally given as 6,000, but there have never been that amount of fans in it even when people were locked out (Preston NE, Scarborough and probably others). They killed any chance we had of growing. There will never be more than 4,500 fans in it because it has no facilities, no character and the police have got us where they want us and will never let any more than the above figure in. In an ideal world we'd have a similar sized stadium to Shrewsbury built somewhere near to where the Rugby Club is. Impossible dream. devaboyreturns think we need a few more fundraisers for this one 😉
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Post by henry on May 14, 2018 16:49:12 GMT
The Council's involvement was to lease the site to the Club for a small annual sum and grant planning permission for the submitted plans. The old stadium was on the market with vacant possession for a considerable time before Morrisons bought it. They had no obligation to build Chester a football stadium. At the Share holders meeting it was shown that the Cost to Morrisons of clearing the Clubs Debt of about £3m, building the Stadium and keeping the Club in Div 1 at Macclesfield was about £2m more than they could have paid had they bought the site for development and walked away.
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Post by Hannibal on May 14, 2018 17:27:40 GMT
The Council's involvement was to lease the site to the Club for a small annual sum and grant planning permission for the submitted plans. The old stadium was on the market with vacant possession for a considerable time before Morrisons bought it. They had no obligation to build Chester a football stadium. At the Share holders meeting it was shown that the Cost to Morrisons of clearing the Clubs Debt of about £3m, building the Stadium and keeping the Club in Div 1 at Macclesfield was about £2m more than they could have paid had they bought the site for development and walked away. Never heard any of that before, I just know what they promised and it wasn't a lego stadium.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2018 17:47:44 GMT
Henry believe what you want , All proper chester fans from Sealand Road know the score, RIPPED off by all Involved, I for one hate them all, Ruined the club I love,& yes so I am bitter
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2018 17:51:40 GMT
15,000 all seater ended up as 6000, enough said shit houses all of them! no Excuses tossers
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Post by henry on May 14, 2018 19:35:59 GMT
I am afraid that those where the facts. As a share holder from the days of Reg Rowlands, I had annual accounts, which showed that the Club had debts of £3m secured against the Stadium with double digit interest rates payable on the loan. The Freehold on the Stadium, with vacant possession, was marketed with a valuation of £6m. This required the team to vacate the premises and forced them to play at macclesfield, even though no building work was going on. The total cost to Morrisons of the move was £8m according to the Accounts. To put this valuation in perspective, some time later we enquired about the availability of the old Manweb Head Office for use or development. This site is now occupied by B&Q and was available for offers around £8m.
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Post by jb on May 14, 2018 20:37:34 GMT
Going back to Shrewsbury’s successful season I noticed from the highlights that the vast majority of their team are from non-league. Nsalia, Beckles, Whaley, Nolan, Payne etc have all played in the Conference against Chester. Just goes to prove that players from the lower leagues can make the grade in a higher league with the right attitude and man-management.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on May 15, 2018 4:02:39 GMT
Going back to Shrewsbury’s successful season I noticed from the highlights that the vast majority of their team are from non-league. Nsalia, Beckles, Whaley, Nolan, Payne etc have all played in the Conference against Chester. Just goes to prove that players from the lower leagues can make the grade in a higher league with the right attitude and man-management. Shaun Whalley was one of Bobby's Babes if I remember rightly.
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Post by Lobster on May 15, 2018 5:18:02 GMT
Going back to Shrewsbury’s successful season I noticed from the highlights that the vast majority of their team are from non-league. Nsalia, Beckles, Whaley, Nolan, Payne etc have all played in the Conference against Chester. Just goes to prove that players from the lower leagues can make the grade in a higher league with the right attitude and man-management. Shaun Whalley was one of Bobby's Babes if I remember rightly. Bit earlier than Bobby actually. He played under Ian Rush in our first season back in the League, then left at the end of that season and joined Runcorn. I seem to remember he would usually come off the bench, run around a lot and barely touch the ball, but there was still a fair bit of clamour for him to be starting ahead of Rapley!
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Post by Mean Machine on May 15, 2018 18:25:19 GMT
They've made the play off final and seem to be regular visitors to Wembley. They have a tidy new ground and are successful. We used to be equal rivals. Where did we go so wrong ? I am not so sure we have been equal rivals, I seem to remember Shrewsbury played in the old second division [now championship] in the early 1980s whilst we never have. In fact most of our local rivals have played second tier football, Crewe, Wrecscum, Stockport, Bury, Tranmere, How many teams that have played Premier league football have played a league game at the Deva ? Eric Barnes screwed us over right good and proper, I dont think we will ever recover, well not to the hights of the late seventies when Alan Oaks was manager, or mid eighties when Harry Mcnally was at his prime
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