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Post by South Wirral Blue on May 23, 2018 10:16:16 GMT
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Post by g1 on May 23, 2018 10:26:15 GMT
#rip Hartlepool club 4 that will be
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Post by Matt on May 23, 2018 10:27:33 GMT
They're already in deep doo doo. This has just signed their death certificate.
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Post by Arthur's Carpet slipper on May 23, 2018 10:43:58 GMT
Wow! Looks like some lean years ahead for Hartlepool
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Post by Lobster on May 23, 2018 11:22:00 GMT
Surprising any club will give him another job. His track record is woeful.
I don't have any resentment towards him myself, but he is bad at his job.
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Post by Al on May 23, 2018 11:29:40 GMT
They're screwed then
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Post by Matt on May 23, 2018 11:36:28 GMT
Surprising any club will give him another job. His track record is woeful. I don't have any resentment towards him myself, but he is bad at his job. Listening to the Podcast with Neil Turner and Dave Powell, they were asking the questions and Tuner bascially spelt it out as Gross negligence. You could tell Laurence Kirby agreed with him but he had to be diplomatic.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 11:38:57 GMT
Do these people do any sort of "due diligence" on appointments like this or are they just blinded by the flannel?
They really only have themselves to blame if (or more likely when) it comes back to bite them.
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Post by Al on May 23, 2018 11:40:30 GMT
Anyone registered on their forum?
Might be worth someone going on and giving them a heads up on their new employee
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Post by Hannibal on May 23, 2018 11:58:54 GMT
Surprising any club will give him another job. His track record is woeful. I don't have any resentment towards him myself, but he is bad at his job.Not half!
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Post by Dodge on May 23, 2018 12:25:42 GMT
Do these people do any sort of "due diligence" on appointments like this or are they just blinded by the flannel? They really only have themselves to blame if (or more likely when) it comes back to bite them. To be fair we were twice warned
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Post by steveo1 on May 23, 2018 12:48:32 GMT
One of the biggest reasons why we are in the mess we find ourselves in now. Escaped out the back door without getting the backlash of the fans, paid off and now in a job back in the conference. Incredible how these people do it.
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Post by peterkaysock on May 23, 2018 13:01:43 GMT
Left a trail of mess where ever he has been, wouldn't touch him with a barge pole.
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Post by cfcforme on May 23, 2018 13:04:23 GMT
Do these people do any sort of "due diligence" on appointments like this or are they just blinded by the flannel? Like we did our due diligence? MM might have been crap at his job but whether thats through a capability issue or just being a lazy arse, the fact is we recruited him, we paid him too high a basic salary (did I read £50k?) and worst of all we let him get away with not delivering. Basically he just wasn't managed so did whatever the hell he please. And the ultimate kick in the teeth is that rather than sack him, we paid him off FFS!!!
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Post by norwegianblue on May 23, 2018 13:21:32 GMT
Anyone registered on their forum? Might be worth someone going on and giving them a heads up on their new employee Whopper3 has probably taken care of that already.
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Post by Hannibal on May 23, 2018 14:54:23 GMT
I've just posted on OneFootballForum warning Hartlepool fans what they're in for and reminded them that Hull City and Stockport County in particular are still recovering from his incompetence.
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Post by jb on May 23, 2018 15:20:53 GMT
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Post by loskasleftfoot on May 23, 2018 17:05:18 GMT
I've just posted on OneFootballForum warning Hartlepool fans what they're in for and reminded them that Hull City and Stockport County in particular are still recovering from his incompetence. I'd say our difficulties are on a par with those two clubs. The man should have a lifetime ban for the damage he has done.
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Post by loskasleftfoot on May 23, 2018 17:07:35 GMT
Right area wrong club. Singh is involved with Darlington.
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Post by dmcnally on May 23, 2018 17:36:56 GMT
Right area wrong club. Singh is involved with Darlington. No, he has now taken over Hartlepool to save them from liquidation.
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Post by Hannibal on May 23, 2018 18:19:08 GMT
Right area wrong club. Singh is involved with Darlington. No, he has now taken over Hartlepool to save them from liquidation. I believe he wanted to return to Darlington but their constitution required a 75% vote in support, so I guess that never happened because of his previous history, hence Darlington's weak performance last season.
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Post by saltneyblueboy on May 23, 2018 20:07:16 GMT
From the outside looking in Mark Maguire clearly was not managed. His objectives should have been made clear and performance monitored against the targets. It must be remembered that the Board members aren't particularly experienced in all aspects of business management and Mark Maguire was left to do his own thing. Everybody is accountable - or should be....
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Post by cfcforme on May 23, 2018 21:42:21 GMT
From the outside looking in Mark Maguire clearly was not managed. His objectives should have been made clear and performance monitored against the targets. It must be remembered that the Board members aren't particularly experienced in all aspects of business management and Mark Maguire was left to do his own thing. Everybody is accountable - or should be.... Exactly this. And he should of been on a reasonable but not amazing basic salary and then received commission / bonuses for every deal he secured. That's then his inventive to deliver on his promises rather than give it all the talk but deliver very little...
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Post by South Wirral Blue on May 24, 2018 5:04:49 GMT
From the outside looking in Mark Maguire clearly was not managed. His objectives should have been made clear and performance monitored against the targets. It must be remembered that the Board members aren't particularly experienced in all aspects of business management and Mark Maguire was left to do his own thing. Everybody is accountable - or should be.... Exactly this. And he should of been on a reasonable but not amazing basic salary and then received commission / bonuses for every deal he secured. That's then his inventive to deliver on his promises rather than give it all the talk but deliver very little... I know he's gone but I'd still be intrigued to know what he actually did at the club day to day?
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Post by Lobster on May 24, 2018 6:27:55 GMT
In an interview with the Mail, Singh hinted that while he wants to be hands on, his businesses may have to take priority.
He said: “Ideally I will be involved and on call all the time. "But one other thing I have learned is that it is important to keep the football club and business separate. What will keep the money coming in is my business.
"I will not get anyone from my own business involved in the club. I am hoping my involvement will be as little as possible because that means things are going well. But I am there if needed.”
Maguire, therefore, may be tasked with the running of the club while Singh focuses on his business interests.
Sounds like Maguire may get a similar free rein to what he had here.
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Post by Al on May 24, 2018 6:35:58 GMT
In an interview with the Mail, Singh hinted that while he wants to be hands on, his businesses may have to take priority.
He said: “Ideally I will be involved and on call all the time. "But one other thing I have learned is that it is important to keep the football club and business separate. What will keep the money coming in is my business.
"I will not get anyone from my own business involved in the club. I am hoping my involvement will be as little as possible because that means things are going well. But I am there if needed.”
Maguire, therefore, may be tasked with the running of the club while Singh focuses on his business interests.
Sounds like Maguire may get a similar free rein to what he had here.
They're screwed
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Post by rjshbdhmtrm on May 24, 2018 6:54:37 GMT
A kid in a Candy Shop!
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Post by thetheremin on May 24, 2018 7:25:17 GMT
If I’m honest I thought Maguire would provide a level of professional expertise that would support a board of volunteers with a high level of member turnover because of the demands of everyday life.
In hindsight I could not have been more wrong. He was the backstop to prevent the football management and inexperienced board members running riot with the budget and he doesnt seem to have done that.
I don’t know the ins and outs of why that happened, but sharing our experience with fans from another club is clearly justified. Hopefully enough of them will be cynical where enough of us weren’t. Some of our fans warned about what was going on at our club but not enough of us listened.
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Post by Lobster on May 24, 2018 7:53:52 GMT
If I’m honest I thought Maguire would provide a level of professional expertise that would support a board of volunteers with a high level of member turnover because of the demands of everyday life. In hindsight I could not have been more wrong. He was the backstop to prevent the football management and inexperienced board members running riot with the budget and he doesnt seem to have done that. I don’t know the ins and outs of why that happened, but sharing our experience with fans from another club is clearly justified. Hopefully enough of them will be cynical where enough of us weren’t. Some of our fans warned about what was going on at our club but not enough of us listened. It's difficult, to be fair. You don't want to be unreasonable to people and you want to give them a chance. We could have listened to previous clubs and managers and steered clear of Gary Roberts, but he's done well for us.
I hate the fact that whopper3, for example, is now often said to have been right about Maguire simply because he was vocal and would hijack every thread to point out that Maguire was "incompetent". I think a lot of us were cautious of Maguire given his history, but perhaps not enough so. I did used to think he spoke well and came across as a nice guy, which I can only think is why he keeps getting jobs.
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Post by Si on May 24, 2018 7:56:26 GMT
I hear the line "you were warned" a lot. What are fans supposed to do exactly? We were were about Vaughan but would anyone at the time have protested and kept Terry Smith at the club? It's all very well warning people, but some folk seem to just like saying it after the $hit has hit the fan. What do we expect Hartlepool fans to do with our warnings? They don't even have the same influence as we do in the running of our club, and look at the state we ended up in.
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