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Post by Charfield Blue on Mar 9, 2017 16:59:55 GMT
We talk about the manager & formations. Criticise the ability, commitment and effort of players. But you read this thread and realise that a number of our supporters are very much relegation material who clearly aren't up to the job.
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Post by Gresford red on Mar 9, 2017 17:14:40 GMT
Dear "Anonymous" this isn't news. It's more chat from McGuire. Agree with other posters, there's no news as to timescales or grant applications, just chat. AB you are bang on with using Hughes cash albeit Macca may disagree with you and want it in his budget. I believe however that our first youth product should go to something long term. Airbus had a pitch installed recently - any ideas on the actual cost? I imagine was some FAW funding etc - and if there was welsh funding - we can apply for it and build it on the welsh side  If I remember correctly the pitch at Airbus cost over £500,000, agreed the cost was mostly covered by grants thou. Cefn Druids have also had a 3G pitch with similar grants off the Welsh FA. The pitch at Airbus must make there football club a fortune thou as there always seems to be some teams practicing on it |
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Post by Rio Doherty on Mar 9, 2017 18:00:24 GMT
If it means changing the current pitch for 3G then no thanks. Quite happily if they build one on the car park next to the ground. The main cause for concern is for the decreasing gates and addressing this issue. Don't forget that the sidelines of our pitch have strips of artificial turf (where the linesmen stand), so don't rule out a 3G pitch at the Deva 😅. |
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Post by Al on Mar 9, 2017 18:13:04 GMT
We talk about the manager & formations. Criticise the ability, commitment and effort of players. But you read this thread and realise that a number of our supporters are very much relegation material who clearly aren't up to the job. I actually agree with you on that for once. But I was thinking more about the type of fan who just wants to gloss over everything.. |
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Post by seal73 on Mar 9, 2017 18:26:59 GMT
Jeez, some people can't wait to criticise anything. If we can get this funded by grants, why wouldn't we go for it? Extra income from letting it out. Maybe extra income from people using the bar after playing. Reduced costs by virtue of not having to hire other facilities = bigger playing budget = win more games = bigger crowds. Spot on The aim as I read it is to have this as an extra facility, the preferred option not being to replace the first team pitch which I personally wouldn't want. However I cant see how having a separate 3G facility potentially funded by grants isn't a winner? Costs would be saved from hiring out facilities namely first team training venues and Academy teams training and match venues, the potential income from hiring it out would be massively beneficial. I really hope this comes to fruition. |
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Post by Charfield Blue on Mar 9, 2017 19:03:02 GMT
We talk about the manager & formations. Criticise the ability, commitment and effort of players. But you read this thread and realise that a number of our supporters are very much relegation material who clearly aren't up to the job. I actually agree with you on that for once. But I was thinking more about the type of fan who just wants to gloss over everything.. No you're right. Let's put everything else on hold until we have worked out how to improve the crowds. We focus on one issue and one issue only at any given time. I personally am focusing purely on a 3G pitch. That's all, nothing else. I can see no negatives to this approach. I mean, it works that way in all other lines of business doesn't it? |
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Post by Buckley Blue on Mar 9, 2017 21:52:35 GMT
Where would it be built
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Post by Rio Doherty on Mar 9, 2017 22:04:24 GMT
Dave Powell said on a sight near the stadium. |
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Post by Sealand Road Veteran on Mar 10, 2017 7:13:42 GMT
Got to be honest, if most of the costs can be raised via grants etc I really can't see how this can be a bad idea, no training costs what so ever for any of the teams from the first team all the way down the academy, to put that in perspective, I run a local team and we train at Christleton High on the 4G, we block book it for only 3hrs on one night a week where all the teams train the costs are in excess of £1000.00 per month, and that is just one day a week. Imagine the costs the club are having to cover, a lot of the academy teams train twice a week and I'm sure the first team train at least 3 times a week. Also the club have to hire the 4g or a pitches for the academy teams to play games, again added cost.
this isn't even taking into account the funds that could be raised through hiring the surface out.
also if the club had there own 3/4g training facility maybe they could train more often, the same with the academy kids.
i know some people are saying we need to sort attendances, I agree things need to happen, but this to me has absolutely nothing to do with attendances, but would be a major step forward for the club stability wise and be a big step to progress the club forward.
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Post by A real chester fan on Mar 10, 2017 7:30:40 GMT
On a 3G pitch we could host things like pop concerts, more win win
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Post by dmcnally on Mar 10, 2017 7:46:14 GMT
Got to be honest, if most of the costs can be raised via grants etc I really can't see how this can be a bad idea, no training costs what so ever for any of the teams from the first team all the way down the academy, to put that in perspective, I run a local team and we train at Christleton High on the 4G, we block book it for only 3hrs on one night a week where all the teams train the costs are in excess of £1000.00 per month, and that is just one day a week. Imagine the costs the club are having to cover, a lot of the academy teams train twice a week and I'm sure the first team train at least 3 times a week. Also the club have to hire the 4g or a pitches for the academy teams to play games, again added cost. this isn't even taking into account the funds that could be raised through hiring the surface out. also if the club had there own 3/4g training facility maybe they could train more often, the same with the academy kids. i know some people are saying we need to sort attendances, I agree things need to happen, but this to me has absolutely nothing to do with attendances, but would be a major step forward for the club stability wise and be a big step to progress the club forward. Couldn't have put it better myself. If we can secure funding through grants etc, there's literally no disadvantage to this idea. Will be massive if the club can pull it off. We could even do a crowdfunder to help the club if the club cannot secure all of the funding, look at Cheltenham who made a crowdfunder to buy a scoreboard, that got tens of thousands of pounds in donations. We could do something similar if needed! |
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Post by Operation Eccleston on Mar 10, 2017 8:49:59 GMT
"The only way to attract fans is to make the club more appealing to the community, but we can't make the club more appealing to the community if we don't have enough fans."
- Catch-22, The Chester FC Edition
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Post by Blue Boy on Mar 10, 2017 9:23:05 GMT
Facing facts the club is a business even if that doesn't sit with your personal opinion on the matter or belief on what a football club should be . Any business needs to focus on increasing revenue and minimising expenditure . The two are not exclusive and should be done side by side not entirely focussing on one element so if this development decreases costs for the club and brings in non matchday revenue then surely it's a good thing ?
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Post by ubb1689 on Mar 10, 2017 9:59:48 GMT
We've tried umpteen ideas to improve the gates and it never works. If this idea helps with the revenue then we should at least explore it.
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Post by There's only one Graham Barrow on Mar 10, 2017 10:19:29 GMT
We've tried umpteen ideas to improve the gates and it never works. If this idea helps with the revenue then we should at least explore it. In my honest opinion I don't think we try hard enough
Or we try one idea once, don't see immediate results and then that idea is binned off for the next 'get rich quick' type scheme.
Take the forthcoming Eastleigh game for example. Have we seen anything advertised for this yet?
Shouldn't we be putting all our focus and energy into advertising this game?
- Fliers for fans to download and stick in various supermarkets, shop windows, - an aggressive drive online, as well as the good stuff that Dave Powell and the Chronicle Sport lads do day to day. - Getting a young lad to stand in the City Centre with a big sign advertising the game.
There's so much more that could be done. I just get so frustrated when I see the little extra things that could make a real difference and it's never done, or when it is done it's literally a last minute rush job because we've not sold anywhere near as many tickets as we expected (Tranmere game for example)
If we want people to turn up, then we should be using every means possible to tell people we're here, and we need their support. If we don't do that, then how are we ever going to expect things to be different?
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Post by Krankie's Ghost on Mar 10, 2017 10:56:09 GMT
This thread is a disaster.
A funded / part funded 3G pitch is a great idea, a wonderful idea and will be fantastic for the club. I haven't seen ONE SINGLE PERSON say it won't be.
No-one is criticising the bloody idea.
The only cautious / negative point is the fact this has been the plan since Durkin's time and so it's not something new. What i would want personally from Mr McGuire (hey listen i know some of you are happy but let me raise my minor concern yeah?) is something that shows we have moved on from the idea we had 3 years ago that says - "right we've had this plan for years but now we're putting it into action, we've applied for this grant / that grant and we're also looking into the prospect of some private sponsorship/funding we anticipate that if we are successful in getting the funding we could be looking to get this off the ground at the start of the 2017/18 season with a view to maybe using the facility in 2018".
That would be news. That would be great news.
The WPL is local to us, so sadly chaps, we can see the turnaround of getting funding and installing 3G as Cefn and Airbus have done and so this is the marker. Yes the English FA may take longer but talking about something as we have done for 3 years and actually doing something is very different.
That's the only concern chaps, people get very over-protective at times and think that everything is a dig, daresay it a 'snipe'. After "pipeline" i think fans have the right to have this concern. We don't know McGuire, we don't know what he does on a daily basis and whether he's meeting board targets - but he has to watch he doesn't get a rep for only talking a good game. I don't know, could be wrong as it's just an opinion shared by others but this forum is for voicing such views and it's getting tiresome to keep having to defend any slightest (considered negative) view.
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Post by Deva Chanter on Mar 10, 2017 11:38:41 GMT
This thread is a disaster. A funded / part funded 3G pitch is a great idea, a wonderful idea and will be fantastic for the club. I haven't seen ONE SINGLE PERSON say it won't be. No-one is criticising the bloody idea.
From the ever optimistic Sychdyn Blue on page 1 of this thread - "Wrong issue at the moment. Shelve the pipe dream until we sort out the reality of low crowds staring us in the face. A first team 3G playing surface would also end any hope of a Football League return unless the powers that be change their policy on it."
Didn't have to look very hard to find somebody criticising the idea. |
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Post by Krankie's Ghost on Mar 10, 2017 13:16:06 GMT
I didnt realise anyone still paid attention to him to be honest.
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Post by OXO Man on Mar 10, 2017 13:33:34 GMT
Jeeez mancot has lost none of his pessimistic outlook on everything. the depressing toad.
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Post by bluboy79 on Mar 10, 2017 13:54:59 GMT
Whilst this is a good idea if 3g pitch is for a training ground , it would be a disaster if was installed at the Deva. It would block any chance of returning to football league which has to be our ultimate goal.
This should be put to a vote by membership before it happens.
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Post by Buckley Blue on Mar 10, 2017 15:20:26 GMT
I wouldn't worry about returning to the football league anytime soon
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Post by The Joker on Mar 10, 2017 16:04:42 GMT
On a 3G pitch we could host things like pop concerts, more win win Who were you thinking of getting to do a gig Supergrass ? |
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Post by TheTheremin on Mar 10, 2017 18:52:04 GMT
Looking at our average crowd we're very close to break even levels.
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Post by Lache lad on Mar 11, 2017 10:23:26 GMT
Here we go deleting posts again just like the old site
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Post by Welsh Seal on Mar 11, 2017 15:37:28 GMT
Excellent move from the club. We will pay minimum, if anything at all as it will be granted by the FA I would've thought. I work at Airbus, and I regurlaly drive past their main pitch which is 3G, and it is always in use. Extra income! Also, could do some activities pre-match, if it is near the ground, such as have players do a session or something before. Think we may have tried something similar, unsure. It might not be the right idea to get fans in, but it will raise income.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Mar 11, 2017 15:54:32 GMT
We could have an offer for kids like 'have a kick about at the new facility and get discount on the match' or vice versa.
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Post by dmcnally on Mar 11, 2017 16:34:15 GMT
I'd hope it could be used heavily on matchdays. Could have offers for kids to come down, train with coaches and then get discounted tickets to the game.
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Post by dmcnally on Mar 11, 2017 16:42:30 GMT
It's been mentioned in the past how people see kids walking away from goals away from our ground near kick off. If we got those kids to come to our own 3G pitch, we have much more power in trying to get them to come to games. Offers for them I.e One hour on the 3g + match ticket could prove very useful.
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Post by Ricardinho on Mar 12, 2017 15:04:41 GMT
Interesting conundrum- people saying not to invest in a 3G facility as falling attendances are more of a priority.
But if attendances fall it tends to increase the need to do what so many lower league clubs need to do to survive - find sustainable ways to generate income in wayang other than on the gate.
7 day /52 week income I see hard to come by for fottvall clubs that are non global.
See for example, Shrewsbury Town, Walsall etc
I m not saying the falling attendances should not be a concern to to address at all mind
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Post by dmcnally on Mar 12, 2017 19:24:48 GMT
Final verdict from me:
Yes, attendances are an issue. A real issue. I completely agree that great attention must be paid to this and to develop a strategy to get them up. However, if we invest in a 3g pitch, for starters we will hardly be investing as it'll come from grants so we'll actually be spending very little, but this 3g pitch will provide significant revenue in for the club. This means the break-even attendance, the attendances we need to avoid a loss, will be much lower, i.e instead of a break-even level of 2200 on average a game, we'll need 2000 a game. I'm not saying we should therefore show less ambition and only try to get 2000 a game but at least it eases the pressure on the falling attendances matter, as then if we do start getting more than 2000 (if the break-even level was this as an example) we'd be making a profit. Lovely.
So, to all the people saying attendances should be our key focus - these two matters can be linked as I have just shown.
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