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Post by dmcnally on Mar 9, 2017 11:24:30 GMT
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Post by The One and Only on Mar 9, 2017 11:57:31 GMT
So we're pressing ahead for a training facility but no plans on how to increase our support in the home ends?
We're making a £20,000 loss this season, so how are we going to find the money to fund the running costs for a 3g pitch and training facility?
Not for the first time, people at the club have got their priorities all wrong.
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Post by steveo1 on Mar 9, 2017 11:59:12 GMT
If it means changing the current pitch for 3G then no thanks. Quite happily if they build one on the car park next to the ground.
The main cause for concern is for the decreasing gates and addressing this issue.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 9, 2017 12:19:27 GMT
Wrong issue at the moment. Shelve the pipe dream until we sort out the reality of low crowds staring us in the face.
A first team 3G playing surface would also end any hope of a Football League return unless the powers that be change their policy on it.
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Post by bluesince72 on Mar 9, 2017 12:19:38 GMT
We should welcome this 100% particularly if the development costs can be largely covered by available grants/FA funding. Yes the falling gates are a serious problem, but a 3G facility would be a revenue earner, as it can be hired out for community use when the club are not using it, it would also save on any costs incurred by the club using facilities elsewhere. Regarding the 20k predicted loss, some good news was announced last week, buisiness rates may be causing great harm to many businesses but according to an article in the Standard, CFC will have their rates cut from £39000 to £22000 as a result of the changes saving 17k PA. A welcome financial boost to our club.
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Post by dmcnally on Mar 9, 2017 12:20:42 GMT
Read the article before commenting. The pitch at the Deva is unlikely to be changed.
A training facility using 3G would allow it to be used 7 days a week. This means it would pay for itself for the maintenance costs. It would provide significant revenue for the club in the long term thanks to the 3G allowing heavy usage.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 9, 2017 12:22:19 GMT
Read the article before commenting. The pitch at the Deva is unlikely to be changed. A training facility using 3G would allow it to be used 7 days a week. This means it would pay for itself for the maintenance costs. It would provide significant revenue for the club in the long term thanks to the 3G allowing heavy usage. The biggest issue for me isn't the playing surface of the first team, but the poor prioritisation of the issues the club is facing. |
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Post by The One and Only on Mar 9, 2017 12:51:17 GMT
We should welcome this 100% particularly if the development costs can be largely covered by available grants/FA funding. Yes the falling gates are a serious problem, but a 3G facility would be a revenue earner, as it can be hired out for community use when the club are not using it, it would also save on any costs incurred by the club using facilities elsewhere. Regarding the 20k predicted loss, some good news was announced last week, buisiness rates may be causing great harm to many businesses but according to an article in the Standard, CFC will have their rates cut from £39000 to £22000 as a result of the changes saving 17k PA. A welcome financial boost to our club. Sorry I stopped reading after this.
The falling gates is the biggest crisis this club has faced since it's re-birth. No ifs no buts. The gates keep falling and it'll get to the point where we'll have no cash in the bank to fall back on - then what? Ask what fans we have left to stump up the cash and then start appealing for the locals to come out and support their club in their hour of need? If you can't be arsed to attract the people of this City now, then why the hell should people part with their money when we get ourselves in the shit off the field?
Sort out the dwindling home support and then look to invest in other areas. Don't start investing when our support base is shrinking and we can't turn a profit
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Post by mcseal on Mar 9, 2017 12:59:36 GMT
Jeez, some people can't wait to criticise anything.
If we can get this funded by grants, why wouldn't we go for it?
Extra income from letting it out. Maybe extra income from people using the bar after playing.
Reduced costs by virtue of not having to hire other facilities = bigger playing budget = win more games = bigger crowds.
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Post by Krankie's Ghost on Mar 9, 2017 13:06:17 GMT
"Nothing is imminent" the key phrase here.
Yes it will be fantastic if it happens, we've been talking about it for long enough, it's hardly a new idea. I remember Durkin had big plans for this behind the Harry McNally, what 3 years ago?
I'm not being critical, i'd just rather the piece said we've applied for funding or something beyond what we'd like to see.
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Post by The One and Only on Mar 9, 2017 13:15:08 GMT
Jeez, some people can't wait to criticise anything. If we can get this funded by grants, why wouldn't we go for it? Extra income from letting it out. Maybe extra income from people using the bar after playing. Reduced costs by virtue of not having to hire other facilities = bigger playing budget = win more games = bigger crowds. It is a nice idea, but again it dances around and takes the focus away from what should be on our number 1 priority - the falling attendances. That's my argument. Get our priorities in order first and then look to expand when we're actually growing our number 1 source of income - the fanbase.
There is also maintenance, running costs, equipment to buy, possibly one or two extra full time staff to pay for as well to run it.
It's not just as simple as "build it and they will come", we have to address the falling crowds now.
It's all too wishy washy for me, the interview was the same as well. I want definite details not if's, but's and maybe's.
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Post by bluesince72 on Mar 9, 2017 13:17:45 GMT
We should welcome this 100% particularly if the development costs can be largely covered by available grants/FA funding. Yes the falling gates are a serious problem, but a 3G facility would be a revenue earner, as it can be hired out for community use when the club are not using it, it would also save on any costs incurred by the club using facilities elsewhere. Regarding the 20k predicted loss, some good news was announced last week, buisiness rates may be causing great harm to many businesses but according to an article in the Standard, CFC will have their rates cut from £39000 to £22000 as a result of the changes saving 17k PA. A welcome financial boost to our club. Sorry I stopped reading after this.
The falling gates is the biggest crisis this club has faced since it's re-birth. No ifs no buts. The gates keep falling and it'll get to the point where we'll have no cash in the bank to fall back on - then what? Ask what fans we have left to stump up the cash and then start appealing for the locals to come out and support their club in their hour of need? If you can't be arsed to attract the people of this City now, then why the hell should people part with their money when we get ourselves in the shit off the field?
Sort out the dwindling home support and then look to invest in other areas. Don't start investing when our support base is shrinking and we can't turn a profit
Why not address both issues at the same time? It's not an either/or, and both concern club finances. This 'sort out falling gates and until we do park everything else', is blinkered nonsense. Having a 3G training pitch would bring in a new revenue stream! It will help the budget, and a higher budget means a possibility of signing better players. Better players = possibilty of seriously challenging for a play off spot, and that would result in higher gates.
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Post by anonymous on Mar 9, 2017 13:23:48 GMT
Jeez. There's some right miserable gits on here! Any bit of "good news" is met with a load a negatives! Firstly, if we can get grants then the initial outlay will be minimal. Secondly, the day to day running costs will not only pay for itself, but bring in extra revenue to the club. Finally, if it was near the ground then it would surely raise the profile of the club to the casual fan. I'm sure advertisements and special offers could be put around the pitch to try and entice support. Also, meet the players sessions for the kids with a view to getting them hooked early. In a nutshell, a facility like this has loads of potential and I really can't see how anyone would see it as a bad thing!
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Post by Arrogant Blue on Mar 9, 2017 13:34:55 GMT
A 3g training pitch is what the Sam Hughes windfall should be spent on. It would then give the club another revenue stream. Clubs like Maidstone and TNS are making a packet off their pitch and we need to follow suit.
I have been saying for years this is what this club needs. It would then be an asset and something the club can call their own.
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Post by jaycardz on Mar 9, 2017 13:47:03 GMT
Don't get why everyone is hating this idea so much, much of the cost will come from grants. Club needs to generate more revenue and one of the main reasons gates are dropping is people don't like seeing a club treading water. Guess what? We're a National League club punching above our weight and handing out a few free tickets isn't going to see fans come flooding back. We need to advertise our games better in the city, yes, but this 3G idea is what the club should be doing. More people who come down and use it the better the gates will be. Hope it comes off.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 9, 2017 13:58:26 GMT
Jeez. There's some right miserable gits on here! Any bit of "good news" is met with a load a negatives! Is it "good news" though? It isn't even news IMO. |
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Post by iandychesterfc on Mar 9, 2017 13:58:46 GMT
Dear "Anonymous" this isn't news. It's more chat from McGuire. Agree with other posters, there's no news as to timescales or grant applications, just chat. AB you are bang on with using Hughes cash albeit Macca may disagree with you and want it in his budget. I believe however that our first youth product should go to something long term. Airbus had a pitch installed recently - any ideas on the actual cost? I imagine was some FAW funding etc - and if there was welsh funding - we can apply for it and build it on the welsh side  |
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Post by iandychesterfc on Mar 9, 2017 13:59:17 GMT
Jeez. There's some right miserable gits on here! Any bit of "good news" is met with a load a negatives! Is it "good news" though? It isn't even news IMO. Ha, Beat me to it. |
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Post by garoldblue on Mar 9, 2017 14:20:20 GMT
If it was to happen then I can't see how this would be anything but good news. A facility like this would boost the club in so many ways and would probably be a good tool to attract news fans. The arguement that we should have other priorities is a non starter, why can't you do both at once and surely they would work towards the same goal?
It's good news if it happens, but it is a big if, we have heard all this before so I won't be getting my hopes up just yet.
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Post by paddy seal on Mar 9, 2017 14:24:22 GMT
I heard one of these went up in flames in Buckinghamshire somewhere. Fire hazard, we cant have players being fried or kids BBQ'd
ITS A NO FROM ME
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Post by bluboy79 on Mar 9, 2017 14:53:29 GMT
Am I right in saying teams are ineligible for promotion to Football League with 3g pitches ? Something which we aspire to do !
Also the club won't make as much money as they think as goals have a top rate facility next door !
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Post by The One and Only on Mar 9, 2017 15:28:03 GMT
Indeed, Goals have a top rate facility next door, and the amount of kids leaving there at 3pm and going the wrong way down Bumpers Lane at kick off time or approaching kick off time is a disgrace.
If we can't appeal to kids when they're literally playing football on our doorstep then what chance have we got of growing the gate?
Oh don't worry we'll errrrrm get them in errrrm with Junior Blues errrrrm T errrrrm V.
It's constantly skirting around the issue and never tackling it head on
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Post by Rio Doherty on Mar 9, 2017 15:51:34 GMT
I think it's a positive step forward. We currently have to rent the uni every year but if this comes through we would get income from the community. It needs to be built somewhere where it has easy access.
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Post by Deva Chanter on Mar 9, 2017 15:54:34 GMT
Genuinely embarrassed reading some of the comments on this thread from the same miserable suspects as usual.
"Let's criticise and shelve ALL other ideas because attendances are dropping". Morons.
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Post by A real chester fan on Mar 9, 2017 16:06:19 GMT
Jeez, some people can't wait to criticise anything. If we can get this funded by grants, why wouldn't we go for it? Extra income from letting it out. Maybe extra income from people using the bar after playing. Reduced costs by virtue of not having to hire other facilities = bigger playing budget = win more games = bigger crowds. Yes this is great news, it will help make the club the hub of the community and save money . As for people saying it's not really news, perhaps the club is just doing what you are always asking for, telling you what is happening, how they hope to progress the club for the future, everyone's future including our children. Some people seem to think there is a magic bullet for improving gates, there isn't. I am beginning to think nothing the club does will ever satisfy some people |
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Post by dmcnally on Mar 9, 2017 16:13:07 GMT
The. Deva. Will. Not. Be. 3. Bloody. G.
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Post by btb on Mar 9, 2017 16:15:07 GMT
It's a no brainer. The football league sadly looks some way off. We will have our own training facility on hand that the first team could use daily. The youth set up can use it to train and will be able to attract better opposition for games. It's a win win.
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Post by billyw on Mar 9, 2017 16:16:04 GMT
Read the article before commenting. The pitch at the Deva is unlikely to be changed. A training facility using 3G would allow it to be used 7 days a week. This means it would pay for itself for the maintenance costs. It would provide significant revenue for the club in the long term thanks to the 3G allowing heavy usage. Are you sure about that? I think the report is a bit unclear as it says 'while a 3G surface on the Lookers Vauxhall Stadium itself may not be the first choice, Maguire believes it is imperative for the club to pursue some kind of facility'. The way I read it is that the pitch could possibly be converted to 3G. |
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Post by dmcnally on Mar 9, 2017 16:21:23 GMT
Read the article before commenting. The pitch at the Deva is unlikely to be changed. A training facility using 3G would allow it to be used 7 days a week. This means it would pay for itself for the maintenance costs. It would provide significant revenue for the club in the long term thanks to the 3G allowing heavy usage. Are you sure about that? I think the report is a bit unclear as it says 'while a 3G surface on the Lookers Vauxhall Stadium itself may not be the first choice, Maguire believes it is imperative for the club to pursue some kind of facility'. The way I read it is that the pitch could possibly be converted to 3G. I'm very sure thank you. |
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Post by billyw on Mar 9, 2017 16:31:30 GMT
Are you sure about that? I think the report is a bit unclear as it says 'while a 3G surface on the Lookers Vauxhall Stadium itself may not be the first choice, Maguire believes it is imperative for the club to pursue some kind of facility'. The way I read it is that the pitch could possibly be converted to 3G. I'm very sure thank you. Well you obviously know best. |
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