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Post by yorkdeva on Jul 7, 2018 12:52:28 GMT
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Post by blaconblues on Jul 7, 2018 13:02:30 GMT
Absolute joke of a criminal justice system. Whilst I don't condone what they did, we have case after case of pedophiles sexually abusing children and being let off or given suspended sentences but have a fight in front of a child and you're being locked away.
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Post by yorkdeva on Jul 7, 2018 13:11:06 GMT
Agree - there should absolutely be no mercy for paedophiles within the justice system.
As for these thugs (both York and Chester) They deserve to be locked up IMO - they are a disgrace to the club. Hopefully it will serve as a warning to other neanderthals.
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Post by Harry Lime on Jul 7, 2018 14:52:14 GMT
If they had not been football fans would they have been jailed?
IMO people who start this should be jailed. Just suspect that the 'football link' made the sentence more severe.
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Post by 1967blue Chester Lads on Jul 7, 2018 15:38:11 GMT
If they had not been football fans would they have been jailed? IMO people who start this should be jailed. Just suspect that the 'football link' made the sentence more severe. About time someone spoke sense on here. U fight in chester on a sat night and get a slap on the wrist. FACT |
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Post by yorkdeva on Jul 7, 2018 18:01:45 GMT
If they had not been football fans would they have been jailed? IMO people who start this should be jailed. Just suspect that the 'football link' made the sentence more severe. According to the report Chester fans started it - so you're agreeing they should be jailed? "After repeatedly viewing multiple films of the brawl, Judge Stubbs said the Chester group had started the violence when they advanced into the garden and in some cases had tried to disguise their appearance with their hoods." |
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Post by Harry Lime on Jul 7, 2018 18:27:02 GMT
According to the report Chester fans started it - so you're agreeing they should be jailed? "After repeatedly viewing multiple films of the brawl, Judge Stubbs said the Chester group had started the violence when they advanced into the garden and in some cases had tried to disguise their appearance with their hoods." Yes. I am. Anyone that goes with intent to cause violence, and does to that level should be jailed. Doesn't matter whether they come from Chester, York or anywhere else. My comment related to the apparent difference in sentencing people involved in this type of crime / anti-social behaviour, when there is a football link, and where there isn't. There shouldn't be a difference. The law and justice system shouldn't distinguish. |
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Post by yorkdeva on Jul 7, 2018 18:48:40 GMT
Agreed - violence is violence. The football angle may well have played a role in the harshness of the sentences - although unless the reports have been exaggerated the level of violence was at the extreme end of the usual handbags at dawn type of scuffles.
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Post by ewloeblue on Jul 7, 2018 23:02:16 GMT
Reports are marvellous arent they,pity you werent at the trial as i was.The court cctv evidence clearly shows York fans attacking Chester fans as they walk past on their way to the ground.The Chester fans were guilty of defending themselves and responding to the provocation which escalated into a brawl to which they were sentenced for.The judge admitted if they were not football fans then there would have been no custodial sentences handed out,just suspended sentences.What he means is if it was two sets of blokes in suits at York fighting each other on race day,
then that would been have treated entirely diffirent.We see it year after year at Chester races where thugs in suits fight,trash,and abuse our city and residents,yet the authorities take an entirely diffirent view because its a diffirent sport,such hypocrisy
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Post by uptheseals on Jul 8, 2018 1:25:16 GMT
If you think a row at football and a fight in a pub deserves that length of a prison sentence then you're deluded, people have fights in pubs every day just because it's football related it's being blown way out of context at the very most they should've been banned
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Post by billyw on Jul 8, 2018 6:53:32 GMT
Violence in any form is unacceptable and anyone guilty of inflicting it deserves all they get, but there is a difference between the drunken yobs at the races and the yobs causing trouble following their team. The difference is 'intent' and we all know that every club has a number of morons who glorify in going to away games to have a ruck with opposing supporters, so the fighting is premeditated which explains the different sentences.
My mates and I have been going to away matches for years,have a pint or two with opposing fans and never been involved in any fighting. If you go looking for trouble, you will find it so no point in bleating about injustices.
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Post by Charfield Blue on Jul 8, 2018 9:01:01 GMT
The sentences given out seem excessively harsh.
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Post by Al on Jul 8, 2018 9:21:35 GMT
Let's face it though with some of those involved it's not the first time they've been involved in problems like this. Which will be taken into account when it comes to be sentenced
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Post by dmcnally on Jul 8, 2018 9:28:07 GMT
Let's face it though with some of those involved it's not the first time they've been involved in problems like this. Which will be taken into account when it comes to be sentenced What about those who have never been in trouble with the police before? Seems incredibly harsh on those younger ones who had bright careers ahead of them. A football banning order would've sufficed if they'e not behaved at the football, why ruin their careers? |
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Post by Al on Jul 8, 2018 9:40:54 GMT
Let's face it though with some of those involved it's not the first time they've been involved in problems like this. Which will be taken into account when it comes to be sentenced What about those who have never been in trouble with the police before? Seems incredibly harsh on those younger ones who had bright careers ahead of them. A football banning order would've sufficed if they'e not behaved at the football, why ruin their careers? Ruined it themselves Danny getting involved in it |
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Post by everhopeful on Jul 8, 2018 13:28:20 GMT
If you think a row at football and a fight in a pub deserves that length of a prison sentence then you're deluded, people have fights in pubs every day just because it's football related it's being blown way out of context at the very most they should've been banned So violence is acceptable then? Where do you draw the line? Is it OK to hit someone provided you don't kill them? Is it OK to hit your partner at home? Is it OK to hit children? About time you dinosaurs grew up and realised that violence is NEVER acceptable in any form. |
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Post by silverblue on Jul 8, 2018 14:18:55 GMT
What about those who have never been in trouble with the police before? Seems incredibly harsh on those younger ones who had bright careers ahead of them. A football banning order would've sufficed if they'e not behaved at the football, why ruin their careers? Ruined it themselves Danny getting involved in it |
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Post by silverblue on Jul 8, 2018 14:28:27 GMT
Ruined it themselves Danny getting involved in it Actually they were not all "involved in it" one of them was charged because he was with them, I believe it's called "by association" but he did NOT get involved in the fighting. Do do really think that their young lives should be ruined like this because of one mistake. I do NOT condone violence of any kind but I cannot help be think that if this was the racing crowd in Chester or York these sentences would not have been handed out. A suspended sentence would have been enough or even community service. It should not have happened, they were wrong, but I now believe that here is a different justice for football fans. |
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Post by uptheseals on Jul 8, 2018 14:43:26 GMT
If you think a row at football and a fight in a pub deserves that length of a prison sentence then you're deluded, people have fights in pubs every day just because it's football related it's being blown way out of context at the very most they should've been banned So violence is acceptable then? Where do you draw the line? Is it OK to hit someone provided you don't kill them? Is it OK to hit your partner at home? Is it OK to hit children? About time you dinosaurs grew up and realised that violence is NEVER acceptable in any form. I'm not saying it is, I just think the sentences are stupid, there's rapists and nonces out there that don't even go to prison and they get to walk around free yet group lads who had a fight in a pub get 2 years ? |
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Post by billyw on Jul 8, 2018 14:50:19 GMT
So violence is acceptable then? Where do you draw the line? Is it OK to hit someone provided you don't kill them? Is it OK to hit your partner at home? Is it OK to hit children? About time you dinosaurs grew up and realised that violence is NEVER acceptable in any form. I'm not saying it is, I just think the sentences are stupid, there's rapists and nonces out there that don't even go to prison and they get to walk around free yet group lads who had a fight in a pub get 2 years ? When has a convicted rapist not gone to prison? |
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Post by yorkdeva on Jul 8, 2018 15:03:41 GMT
Funny about all those coming on here as apologists for violence - apart from it's not funny - it stinks.
One version on here claims that the video shows York City fans attacking Chester fans and yet the court reporter says "After repeatedly viewing multiple films of the brawl, Judge Stubbs said the Chester group had started the violence when they advanced into the garden and in some cases had tried to disguise their appearance with their hoods."
For those whining on here about how unlucky the fans were for getting those sort of sentences - one thing is certain - if you don't get involved in a brawl then you 100% remove any likelihood of a custodial sentence. Zero sympathy with these morons.
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Post by Al on Jul 8, 2018 15:08:50 GMT
Actually they were not all "involved in it" one of them was charged because he was with them, I believe it's called "by association" but he did NOT get involved in the fighting. Do do really think that their young lives should be ruined like this because of one mistake. I do NOT condone violence of any kind but I cannot help be think that if this was the racing crowd in Chester or York these sentences would not have been handed out. A suspended sentence would have been enough or even community service. It should not have happened, they were wrong, but I now believe that here is a different justice for football fans. Like I said though. Nothing to stop one or two of them turning around and simply walking away from it all. I have no sympathy |
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Post by Derry Blue on Jul 8, 2018 16:27:32 GMT
Actually they were not all "involved in it" one of them was charged because he was with them, I believe it's called "by association" but he did NOT get involved in the fighting. Do do really think that their young lives should be ruined like this because of one mistake. I do NOT condone violence of any kind but I cannot help be think that if this was the racing crowd in Chester or York these sentences would not have been handed out. A suspended sentence would have been enough or even community service. It should not have happened, they were wrong, but I now believe that here is a different justice for football fans. Like I said though. Nothing to stop one or two of them turning around and simply walking away from it all. I have no sympathy One of those occasions when I agree with you wholeheartedly. |
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Post by Lobster on Jul 8, 2018 19:19:30 GMT
I’m not sure why people are talking about rapists and paedophiles. If you have to use a comparison like that to play down a crime, it probably says a lot.
For what it’s worth, I would probably agree that jailing these lads is not the best use of resources, but that’s what the law has decided, and at the end of the day we all know it’s wrong to go around fighting in city centres, and there is too much of it connected to football and I’m sick of hearing about it. Maybe people might think about harder about how they carry on if they know there are harsh sentences. It’s very easy to go to a football match and not get in a fight.
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Post by ewloeblue on Jul 8, 2018 21:34:52 GMT
One of these "morons"was my son.Like four of the others jailed,brought up watching Chester with their fathers until old enough to go on the terrace with other boys their age.These boys all became friends together(Callum Mcintyre) included and watched all Chester games from the harry mac.As they grew into young men they started their first tentavive steps to away games together without their fathers.Following Chester home and away together,middle class young men with good jobs just wanting to watch Chester play.Many times they were provoked and intimidated by opposing fans, but always avoided and ignored all trouble for many years.The trouble at York was started by York fans,time after time the court cctv clearly shows it,and yes my son and his friends were foolish to react and have now paid the price for it.When the judge blames the Chester fans for starting the trouble there were gasps of astonishment from the public gallery,clearly stating this to justify his decision to jail first time offenders who were attacked and provoked.Its so easy to sneer and condemn behind a keyboard without knowing the background to this case,the ones doing it are the real morons
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Post by cfcforme on Jul 8, 2018 21:51:54 GMT
One of these "morons"was my son.Like four of the others jailed,brought up watching Chester with their fathers until old enough to go on the terrace with other boys their age.These boys all became friends together(Callum Mcintyre) included and watched all Chester games from the harry mac.As they grew into young men they started their first tentavive steps to away games together without their fathers.Following Chester home and away together,middle class young men with good jobs just wanting to watch Chester play.Many times they were provoked and intimidated by opposing fans, but always avoided and ignored all trouble for many years.The trouble at York was started by York fans,time after time the court cctv clearly shows it,and yes my son and his friends were foolish to react and have now paid the price for it.When the judge blames the Chester fans for starting the trouble there were gasps of astonishment from the public gallery,clearly stating this to justify his decision to jail first time offenders who were attacked and provoked.Its so easy to sneer and condemn behind a keyboard without knowing the background to this case,the ones doing it are the real morons Grounds for appeal then? |
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Post by ewloeblue on Jul 8, 2018 22:08:57 GMT
We are looking at it,the video evidence is there.Just want the sentencing reduced to reflect their first time offending
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Post by chislenko on Jul 8, 2018 22:45:28 GMT
The most ironic part of this is that the tabloids at the moment seem to be "gloryfying" a bunch of Ingerlund fans trashing an IKEA store as high jinks.
I have sympathy for the boys concerned as my early days spent watching Chester away, 60s 70s early 80s I could have on many occasions been done for hooliganism when more often than not you were defending yourself and trying to get out of the ground in one piece.
There does appear when it comes to fighting at football no consideration for the circumstances, just they were fighting hence they are guilty. Defending yourself doesn't appear to be a creditable argument as being a football fan you are assumed guilty before the case is even heard.
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Post by uptheseals on Jul 9, 2018 2:18:42 GMT
We are looking at it,the video evidence is there.Just want the sentencing reduced to reflect their first time offending I really hope it's successful just a shame the damage is already done with there names being out there in press etc |
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Post by tinagsdog on Jul 9, 2018 7:25:49 GMT
That news paper basically ruining there lives, not one person injured or taken to hospital either?
Very harsh punishment in my eyes for these. I know some of these personally and can say they're nice lads HAD good jobs and wouldn't miss hardly any Chester game home or away. It's very easy to get caught up in an argument, misunderstanding, fight over football in after a few ales.
Before people start calling them idiots or clowns they have family members who are blues fans as you can see from above so wind it in.
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