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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 9:23:43 GMT
No reason why part time can't give us a decent start back in the National. Obviously, not workable long term, but these part time players would have done a whole lot better than the (quasi) full time players last season. Why wouldn't it be sustainable long term? I think we've proved that it's the only model that is sustainable long term I'd say. As long as we are relying on the vast majority of the work done around the club by volunteers, I think we need to stick with this model and do what we can with it. If you look at the facilities around Tameside stadium the other night, surely we should be aiming to expand towards that kind of set up before stretching ourselves for a pipe dream chance at league football. I know that was all paid for by their council, but the benefit that has to the community around it, athletics, 4g pitches, even a cycling track! And the club has benefited hugely off the back of it. I wonder if the council could be interested in some kind of joint venture to re develop the land behind the stadium or even a strip of land could be found elsewhere to do it.Great to see us performing well on the pitch but I'm not convinced that promotion and a pro contracted side is the be all and end all. I believe that this is something that is in the planning stage. It is worth checking out the video of the last CFU meeting on youtube. Jimmy Green talks all about this. He is first on. Very interesting stuff. |
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Post by Blockhead on Aug 8, 2018 10:37:43 GMT
No reason why part time can't give us a decent start back in the National. Obviously, not workable long term, but these part time players would have done a whole lot better than the (quasi) full time players last season. Why wouldn't it be sustainable long term? I think we've proved that it's the only model that is sustainable long term I'd say. As long as we are relying on the vast majority of the work done around the club by volunteers, I think we need to stick with this model and do what we can with it. If you look at the facilities around Tameside stadium the other night, surely we should be aiming to expand towards that kind of set up before stretching ourselves for a pipe dream chance at league football. I know that was all paid for by their council, but the benefit that has to the community around it, athletics, 4g pitches, even a cycling track! And the club has benefited hugely off the back of it. I wonder if the council could be interested in some kind of joint venture to re develop the land behind the stadium or even a strip of land could be found elsewhere to do it. Great to see us performing well on the pitch but I'm not convinced that promotion and a pro contracted side is the be all and end all. Not sustainable long term as the aim is to get back into the Football League, obviously. So we'd have to ditch the part time and go full time if promoted. |
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Aug 8, 2018 11:14:14 GMT
Why would we have to ditch part-time model if promoted to the NLP? We'd only have to ditch it when promoted to the FL.
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Post by Imperial on Aug 8, 2018 11:50:03 GMT
Why would we have to ditch part-time model if promoted to the NLP? We'd only have to ditch it when promoted to the FL. Would we HAVE to? I understand that realistically you probably need to be full time in the FL but is there a law that states FL teams must be full time? |
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Post by Si on Aug 8, 2018 11:59:55 GMT
The time to go full time is when we can financially sustain it. Unfortunately the club didn't have enough revenue streams to prop up a full time team whilst results were bad. If results are going well then maybe we could just about do it given that the attendances would be decent, but we have to be able to honour contracts through good and bad times and we don't have that model right now. In an ideal world, in the next 5/6 years we can develop a training facility to rent out, improve facilities at the ground so that businesses want to hire conference rooms during the week etc, improved Blues Bar to maximise revenues on match days. Hopefully within that time the excellent work from Jim Green will continue to show results in that we'll have younger fans getting hooked into watching us and we'll have greater buy in from the Chester community. During some of those early years we didn't capitalise enough on opportunities to develop the fanbase, or transform the floating fans into regulars - now we have the chance to do it properly. One thing is for sure, we should never be bullied into going full time by managers (Burr, Bignot) just because it's not what they like. The refreshing thing about Bern and Johnno is that they came to this job knowing the situation and more the willing to work with it - if results go sour then we won't be hearing nonsense about budgets or being full time.
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Post by Jack on Aug 8, 2018 12:05:52 GMT
I like to think if we can have a competitive season this time around, we'll consistently see crowds of 2K plus. That's the first step for us, regaining some of those lost in the dross of the last 3 seasons.
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Post by iandychesterfc on Aug 8, 2018 12:23:11 GMT
Those kicking seddon need to remember he was our top corer that season and he played an important part in getting our current managers on board.
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Post by rcb on Aug 8, 2018 12:36:11 GMT
Those kicking seddon need to remember he was our top corer that season and he played an important part in getting our current managers on board. They’ve been here almost 3 months now and that’s the first I’ve heard of any involvement or influence by Seddon. I’m not in a position to deny what you claim but would love to hear your knowledge of such events. |
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Post by iandychesterfc on Aug 8, 2018 13:04:13 GMT
It was in the initial chronicle/leader interviews, Seddon contacted them about the vacancy and helped set up a meeting.
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Post by geoff on Aug 8, 2018 16:14:37 GMT
Yes, we need to stay part time and even if we get back to the national league we need a couple of seasons as a part time outfit and then a sustained effort, probably full time is get to division 2.
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Post by avfo on Aug 8, 2018 16:25:30 GMT
It was in the initial chronicle/leader interviews, Seddon contacted them about the vacancy and helped set up a meeting. Seems a bit bizarre as I never thought the relationship between the three was that great. <iframe width="25.559999999999945" height="5.159999999999997" style="position: absolute; width: 25.559999999999945px; height: 5.159999999999997px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_26262315" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="25.559999999999945" height="5.159999999999997" style="position: absolute; width: 25.56px; height: 5.16px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1216px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_82559510" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="25.559999999999945" height="5.159999999999997" style="position: absolute; width: 25.56px; height: 5.16px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 196px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_71170307" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="25.559999999999945" height="5.159999999999997" style="position: absolute; width: 25.56px; height: 5.16px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1216px; top: 196px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_10519388" scrolling="no"></iframe> He's an FA registered agent so maybe that had something to do with it? |
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Aug 8, 2018 16:29:02 GMT
Why would we have to ditch part-time model if promoted to the NLP? We'd only have to ditch it when promoted to the FL. Would we HAVE to? I understand that realistically you probably need to be full time in the FL but is there a law that states FL teams must be full time? Good point, I can't actually see anything to that effect in the FL rules online - I think it's just assumed full-time is required. Nothing to say a part-time squad of brick layers and bin men couldn't hold their own at League Two level - various FA Cupsets would tell you that. |
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Aug 8, 2018 16:46:22 GMT
3.1 The Club must have specific personnel (i.e. Club Doctor, Therapist) as required by League Regulations and a full-time administration.
That's all I can find. So a "Tony Allen" working full-time in the office for club secretary purposes is all we'd need unless I'm missing something.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Aug 8, 2018 17:16:34 GMT
I think by far the most compelling reason to go full time would be the fitness level of the players. Part timers would not be able to compete week in and week out against full time professionals, in the FA Cup as a one off yes, in the league no
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Post by Imperial on Aug 8, 2018 17:30:35 GMT
Yeah I agree, I was just curious as to whether there’s anything that says you have to be FT. From what I’ve found in the EFL regulations it seems there isn’t. It mentions amateur players, non-contract players etc. So it seems the only thing preventing a PT team playing in the EFL would be the fitness levels. www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/section-1----general/ |
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Post by Blockhead on Aug 8, 2018 18:51:47 GMT
Why would we have to ditch part-time model if promoted to the NLP? We'd only have to ditch it when promoted to the FL. I meant promoted to the FL. |
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Aug 8, 2018 18:58:28 GMT
Since established that might not be necessary either! With the LADS in charge we can remain part-time in League One I bet.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Aug 8, 2018 20:38:42 GMT
Since established that might not be necessary either! With the LADS in charge we can remain part-time in League One I bet. Now we really are dreaming lol |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Aug 8, 2018 20:40:00 GMT
Since established that might not be necessary either! With the LADS in charge we can remain part-time in League One I bet. Now we really are dreaming lol |
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Post by MOC on Aug 9, 2018 5:53:24 GMT
Eddie Bishop was part-time in his last season at Chester back in 1995-96 while we were in the Football League, so certainly not unknown for individuals to play on a part-time basis at that level. Less so though for teams to all be part-time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2018 8:59:56 GMT
Those kicking seddon need to remember he was our top corer that season and he played an important part in getting our current managers on board. Annoys me the stick Seddon gets, it's lazy. He was one of our better players that season and scored a few crackers, one of the very few that gave a positive contribution that season. |
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Post by Si on Aug 9, 2018 12:03:35 GMT
Those kicking seddon need to remember he was our top corer that season and he played an important part in getting our current managers on board. Annoys me the stick Seddon gets, it's lazy. He was one of our better players that season and scored a few crackers, one of the very few that gave a positive contribution that season. Agree with that. He scored a few important goals, seemed like a great character who would have been a good influence in the dressing room, and he genuinely cared for the club. He was definately one of the better players that season. People seem to have a problem accepting that a lower league footballer could be a male model - they probably need to get with the times. And as for missing games for his modelling commitments, well the club were fully aware of his situation before signing him so it wasn't his fault at all, plus I believe that he actually turned down well paid modelling jobs later in the campaign so that he could play for us. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2018 8:28:08 GMT
Back to the dreaming!
Just been checking the early league table this morning (pleasant reading for once!)
Question: Am I right in thinking that the playoff arrangements are the same as what was used last year in the NL - 7th place gets you there and then the somewhat convoluted process?
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Aug 10, 2018 8:38:28 GMT
Yes it's seven play-off places across all three National League divisions, as it was last year. Rugby Super League style format-ish...
4th vs 7th
5th vs 6th
2nd vs 5th/6th
3rd vs 4th/7th
Final
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Post by Lobster on Aug 10, 2018 8:48:31 GMT
And they're only one leg, with the higher-placed side at home. It's better, I think - gives a genuine advantage to finishing higher.
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