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Post by littlesthobo on Aug 12, 2018 9:10:41 GMT
Monday nights win prompted talk of walking the league, will we have to remain part time when we’re promoted, swear I even read someone talking about league 1.
Now after yesterday’s result it has very predictably, and understandably,& gone the other way. Do we perhaps need to take a step back and get a sense perspective, we weren’t certainties for promotion on Monday night and we’re not the worst team to ever play the game today. Yesterday’s result was terrible and embarrassing. It was however (all being well) a one off. Freak results happen. Sometimes everything a team hit goes in, sometimes you dominate games and get beat 1-0. I’m sure we will have in the past and will again play worse and not get that sort of hammering, we will occasionally not play well and come out with a big win. Some of the reactions both ways appear to be over the top. Let’s wait and see and support the team.
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Post by Hannibal on Aug 12, 2018 9:54:15 GMT
Monday nights win prompted talk of walking the league, will we have to remain part time when we’re promoted, swear I even read someone talking about league 1. Now after yesterday’s result it has very predictably, and understandably,& gone the other way. Do we perhaps need to take a step back and get a sense perspective, we weren’t certainties for promotion on Monday night and we’re not the worst team to ever play the game today. Yesterday’s result was terrible and embarrassing. It was however (all being well) a one off. Freak results happen. Sometimes everything a team hit goes in, sometimes you dominate games and get beat 1-0. I’m sure we will have in the past and will again play worse and not get that sort of hammering, we will occasionally not play well and come out with a big win. Some of the reactions both ways appear to be over the top. Let’s wait and see and support the team. I think the reactions to an 8-1 defeat have been have been very modest to be honest. We thought the bad times were over, but watch this space. Badly need a better display on Tuesday. |
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Post by Lobster on Aug 12, 2018 10:09:33 GMT
You’re right in a way. There was an overreaction in the close season as well, where the consensus seemed to go from that we were in for successive relegations before Murphy’s donation and the managerial appointments, to that we’ll be challenging for promotion. I think both predictions were a bit misguided.
I think our team is quite average and midtable is realistic. I would say though that an 8-1 defeat against an unfancied side, so soon into a new regime, is a disgrace and I don’t think there has been an overreaction on here.
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Post by dmcnally on Aug 12, 2018 10:12:52 GMT
You’re right in a way. There was an overreaction in the close season as well, where the consensus seemed to go from that we were in for successive relegations before Murphy’s donation and the managerial appointments, to that we’ll be challenging for promotion. I think both predictions were a bit misguided. I think our team is quite average and midtable is realistic. I would say though that an 8-1 defeat against an unfancied side, so soon into a new regime, is a disgrace and I don’t think there has been an overreaction on here. Why are predictions of promotion misguided? We’re title favourites with the bookies and having seen many table predictions from fans around non league it was rare we were put outside the top five or so by anyone, so people clearly rate what we have going for us. |
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Post by Lobster on Aug 12, 2018 10:15:10 GMT
You’re right in a way. There was an overreaction in the close season as well, where the consensus seemed to go from that we were in for successive relegations before Murphy’s donation and the managerial appointments, to that we’ll be challenging for promotion. I think both predictions were a bit misguided. I think our team is quite average and midtable is realistic. I would say though that an 8-1 defeat against an unfancied side, so soon into a new regime, is a disgrace and I don’t think there has been an overreaction on here. Why are predictions of promotion misguided? We’re title favourites with the bookies and having seen many table predictions from fans around non league it was rare we were put outside the top five or so by anyone, so people clearly rate what we have going for us. Because we just got beat 8-1 by Blyth Spartans! |
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Post by dmcnally on Aug 12, 2018 10:28:17 GMT
Why are predictions of promotion misguided? We’re title favourites with the bookies and having seen many table predictions from fans around non league it was rare we were put outside the top five or so by anyone, so people clearly rate what we have going for us. Because we just got beat 8-1 by Blyth Spartans! Macclesfield got beat 6-0 by Fylde and won the league. Aldershot got beat 7-1 and made the playoffs. It’s one game. |
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Post by trev on Aug 12, 2018 10:44:17 GMT
You’re right in a way. There was an overreaction in the close season as well, where the consensus seemed to go from that we were in for successive relegations before Murphy’s donation and the managerial appointments, to that we’ll be challenging for promotion. I think both predictions were a bit misguided. I think our team is quite average and midtable is realistic. I would say though that an 8-1 defeat against an unfancied side, so soon into a new regime, is a disgrace and I don’t think there has been an overreaction on here. Why are predictions of promotion misguided? We’re title favourites with the bookies and having seen many table predictions from fans around non league it was rare we were put outside the top five or so by anyone, so people clearly rate what we have going for us. Perhaps the overly optimistic predictions of promotion can now be laid to rest, but we should still as a minimum be expecting competitive and competent performances. I do accept that freak results can happen, but can’t recall any team getting beaten in this manner and magnitude by average opposition at best, and then be promoted. Such an embarrassment must not occur again as this Club can simply ill afford another collapse in attendances. One further worrying thought, and although early in their tenure, this is the duos own team with players they know, and not had to inherit someone else’s wreckage. There can be very few excuses for this debacle, and a significant improvement in the next games is the minimum requirement. |
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Aug 12, 2018 10:45:56 GMT
People talk about 'DC meltdown' every time there's a bad result but I read nothing on here that wouldn't have have typically found on any other board after an 8-1 thumping.
If this is just a freak one off and we can follow it up with, say, 4 points from our next two home games I think this will soon start to seem like history.
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Post by Lobster on Aug 12, 2018 11:22:20 GMT
Because we just got beat 8-1 by Blyth Spartans! Macclesfield got beat 6-0 by Fylde and won the league. Aldershot got beat 7-1 and made the playoffs. It’s one game. Yes, but it’s one game out of three so far. We’ll see if it’s a freak result but it’s a little early to be talking like that. So far, I see no reason to think we’ll be challenging for promotion, but we’ll see. |
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Post by stavros on Aug 12, 2018 17:53:31 GMT
Littlest hobo is spot on. I have referenced it in the Blyth match thread. A facet of our support is a key part of the boom and bust culture that has affected the club for decades, including our delirium whilst being conned by the mad yank, McGuire and particularly Vaughan.
Our relationship with the rest of the football world seems to consist of either begging them for help or being disrespectful to them - boom and bust.
One defeat and we re nailed on relegated, one victory and we re already up. Boom and bust.
Seemingly overnight we went from near liquidation and seeking survival to promotion favourites without knowing anything of the investment amount or terms and, if we re honest, not really being sure if our managers are geniuses or the meatheads class of 92 portrayed them as. Boom and bust.
There was indeed talk on this board in the week of who we should keep when promoted, when to go full time...someone was talking of playing shrewsbury again, someone else questioning whether we could have part time players in league one. It was an embarrassing situation before we even kicked off yesterday.
There needs to be a calm down from yesterday then a more considered approach to who we are, where we are going. That would also cut down so much of the bickering on this board.
*ducks for cover*
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Post by mrmanero on Aug 12, 2018 18:03:42 GMT
Spot on Stavros.
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Post by Al on Aug 12, 2018 18:12:49 GMT
Littlest hobo is spot on. I have referenced it in the Blyth match thread. A facet of our support is a key part of the boom and bust culture that has affected the club for decades, including our delirium whilst being conned by the mad yank, McGuire and particularly Vaughan. Our relationship with the rest of the football world seems to consist of either begging them for help or being disrespectful to them - boom and bust. One defeat and we re nailed on relegated, one victory and we re already up. Boom and bust. Seemingly overnight we went from near liquidation and seeking survival to promotion favourites without knowing anything of the investment amount or terms and, if we re honest, not really being sure if our managers are geniuses or the meatheads class of 92 portrayed them as. Boom and bust. There was indeed talk on this board in the week of who we should keep when promoted, when to go full time...someone was talking of playing shrewsbury again, someone else questioning whether we could have part time players in league one. It was an embarrassing situation before we even kicked off yesterday. There needs to be a calm down from yesterday then a more considered approach to who we are, where we are going. That would also cut down so much of the bickering on this board. *ducks for cover* Spot on |
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Post by peterkaysock on Aug 12, 2018 18:46:57 GMT
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Post by chesterken on Aug 12, 2018 18:55:15 GMT
Littlest hobo is spot on. I have referenced it in the Blyth match thread. A facet of our support is a key part of the boom and bust culture that has affected the club for decades, including our delirium whilst being conned by the mad yank, McGuire and particularly Vaughan. Our relationship with the rest of the football world seems to consist of either begging them for help or being disrespectful to them - boom and bust. One defeat and we re nailed on relegated, one victory and we re already up. Boom and bust. Seemingly overnight we went from near liquidation and seeking survival to promotion favourites without knowing anything of the investment amount or terms and, if we re honest, not really being sure if our managers are geniuses or the meatheads class of 92 portrayed them as. Boom and bust. There was indeed talk on this board in the week of who we should keep when promoted, when to go full time...someone was talking of playing shrewsbury again, someone else questioning whether we could have part time players in league one. It was an embarrassing situation before we even kicked off yesterday. There needs to be a calm down from yesterday then a more considered approach to who we are, where we are going. That would also cut down so much of the bickering on this board. *ducks for cover* Nail on head 100% |
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Post by Si on Aug 12, 2018 19:20:03 GMT
Littlest hobo is spot on. I have referenced it in the Blyth match thread. A facet of our support is a key part of the boom and bust culture that has affected the club for decades, including our delirium whilst being conned by the mad yank, McGuire and particularly Vaughan. Our relationship with the rest of the football world seems to consist of either begging them for help or being disrespectful to them - boom and bust. One defeat and we re nailed on relegated, one victory and we re already up. Boom and bust. Seemingly overnight we went from near liquidation and seeking survival to promotion favourites without knowing anything of the investment amount or terms and, if we re honest, not really being sure if our managers are geniuses or the meatheads class of 92 portrayed them as. Boom and bust. There was indeed talk on this board in the week of who we should keep when promoted, when to go full time...someone was talking of playing shrewsbury again, someone else questioning whether we could have part time players in league one. It was an embarrassing situation before we even kicked off yesterday. There needs to be a calm down from yesterday then a more considered approach to who we are, where we are going. That would also cut down so much of the bickering on this board. *ducks for cover* Think that's what I've been trying to say on here but you just said it better! It's a sign of the times though, a lot of clubs are the same. 20 years ago after a bad result you have a beer afterwards and rant with your mates and that's it until the next game. Social Media can be fantastic but it's almost too easy for everyone to be heard these days....everyone has an outlet to air their views, sometimes directly at players personal accounts etc. People want things instantly these days, nobody listens to albums anymore because they don't have the attention span....it's playlists instead. It's the same with football, and we laugh at clubs like Southport for all their changes thinking that we are better but we seem to have a fair few fans that would go through managers at the same rate as them simply for a couple of poor results. As a club we have actually been guilty for persisting with managers for too long in recent times, and maybe the impatience from fans is a result of the damaged trust in that respect. One of the defining moments in recent times was the silence following that Boreham Wood game and the subsequent backing of McCarthy which was against fans wishes. Yesterday was a stinker but I've got a lot of faith in these managers and after that result I think it's time to rally behind them and get behind the lads on Tuesday. The managers won't need to do a team talk on Tuesday, you'd hope those lads are embarrassed enough to want to show what they are really about. |
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Post by sqzl on Aug 12, 2018 20:24:09 GMT
Issue is some people are so incredibly unrealistic. The amount of people talking promotion soon as we signed a few and hmgot the duo in was ridiculous. The budget is average and we’d consider the season a success to get the playoffs. Unless Mr Murphy debated throwing some of his funds at a few new faces then were not going to walk into the playoffs by rights.
We’re just about getting back on track, on and off the pitch, saturdays result shocked us all, but let’s wait until the 10th game before judging us as a whole,
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Post by trev on Aug 12, 2018 21:18:59 GMT
Issue is some people are so incredibly unrealistic. The amount of people talking promotion soon as we signed a few and hmgot the duo in was ridiculous. The budget is average and we’d consider the season a success to get the playoffs. Unless Mr Murphy debated throwing some of his funds at a few new faces then were not going to walk into the playoffs by rights. We’re just about getting back on track, on and off the pitch, saturdays result shocked us all, but let’s wait until the 10th game before judging us as a whole, Certainly can't disagree with most of what you say. But I've just viewed the "highlights" and the display was just so incredibly poor that significant improvement is necessary before we can really say we are "back on track" on the pitch - and hopefully this process will start on Tuesday. Whilst thoughts of promotion were wildly optimistic at best, I don't think it was unrealistic given the fanfare from the Club and the reputations of the duo, for many fans to expect better than what we have endured over the last few seasons, and with at least a competitive team. Quite a few are still getting over the horrors of the McCarthy regime ! |
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