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Post by durdy on Aug 12, 2018 10:27:28 GMT
Do we go with the same and hope for mass reaction?
Do we make mass knee jerk changes ?
or just a few subtle tweaks of firmation to a simple 442. .
thoughts anybody ?
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Post by devablue on Aug 12, 2018 10:41:01 GMT
Go back to a back 4 like we did vs Curzon. Could do with Tuton back as well.
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Post by Matt on Aug 12, 2018 10:42:21 GMT
I think a formation change is a must. We’ve been far to open and it sounded like even at 4-0 we were still trying to win the game going gung-ho with 10 men, Not sure if it was naivety but it was Just suicidal.
Simple 442 with this 4 at the back
Smalley Livesey Grand Pritchard
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Post by dmcnally on Aug 12, 2018 10:58:47 GMT
Go back to a back 4 like we did vs Curzon. Could do with Tuton back as well. Not sure he's going to be back. |
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Post by devablue on Aug 12, 2018 11:11:57 GMT
Go back to a back 4 like we did vs Curzon. Could do with Tuton back as well. Not sure he's going to be back. Just heard this. You know why? |
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Post by Rio Doherty on Aug 12, 2018 11:13:54 GMT
4-4-2 for me too. It’s clear and obvious that the formation used yesterday did not work, and a change is definitely needed.
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Post by dmcnally on Aug 12, 2018 11:17:30 GMT
4231
Shenton
Smalley Liversey Grand Pritchard
Burton Stopforth
Mahon Hughes Mooney - in whatever order, whoever is most comfortable central can go there- not Mooney by the sounds of things.
Dudley
One of the attacking trio behind Dudley should be out the squad once Green is back who will occupy the attacking midfield spot. I'd probably fancy Mahon and Hughes on the wings although Mooney does look more confident out wide. Three way battle between Burton, Stopforth and Roberts for the two centre mid spots. Can easily transition between a 4231 / 433 depending on the situation. The key to 4231 / 433 being the wingers can support their full backs, Smalley and Pritchard, something they are in desperate need of by the sounds of things. We're becoming too stretched with a really slow 3 centre backs who can't cover the ground when Smalley and Pritchard push up.
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Post by iandychesterfc on Aug 12, 2018 11:20:47 GMT
a back 4
dont care what they do in front of that.
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Post by tarvinblue on Aug 12, 2018 11:33:45 GMT
Back 4 with Howson dropped. Burton and Stopforth in the middle. Away from that our limitations are starting to show. If Tuton has left then we are struggling. I'm pleased to see people aren't clamouring for Mahon to start, however Mooney has shown nothing yet either. We need a formation that gets the best out of what we've got and 4-4-2 seems to be far more logical. A few of those very early signings Howson, Hughes, Smalley and Shenton just not up to it at this level.
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Post by Jack on Aug 12, 2018 11:44:50 GMT
When they’re all available, we need Roberts, Burton and Stopforth as a 3 in the middle.
Get hold of the game, dominate the midfield and take it from there.
We’d suit a 4-3-3 with Mooney and Hughes wide of Dudley.
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Post by Harry Lime on Aug 12, 2018 11:45:42 GMT
4231 Shenton Smalley Liversey Grand Pritchard Burton Stopforth Mahon Hughes Mooney - in whatever order, whoever is most comfortable central can go there- not Mooney by the sounds of things. Dudley One of the attacking trio behind Dudley should be out the squad once Green is back who will occupy the attacking midfield spot. I'd probably fancy Mahon and Hughes on the wings although Mooney does look more confident out wide. Three way battle between Burton, Stopforth and Roberts for the two centre mid spots. Can easily transition between a 4231 / 433 depending on the situation. The key to 4231 / 433 being the wingers can support their full backs, Smalley and Pritchard, something they are in desperate need of by the sounds of things. We're becoming too stretched with a really slow 3 centre backs who can't cover the ground when Smalley and Pritchard push up. I'd put Thompson at right back instead of Smalley. Maybe Moran at right back?? Deane Smalley up front with Dudley (assuming the Welsh FA pull their finger out) Any two of the three you name wide in the four. |
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Post by dmcnally on Aug 12, 2018 11:48:56 GMT
4231 Shenton Smalley Liversey Grand Pritchard Burton Stopforth Mahon Hughes Mooney - in whatever order, whoever is most comfortable central can go there- not Mooney by the sounds of things. Dudley One of the attacking trio behind Dudley should be out the squad once Green is back who will occupy the attacking midfield spot. I'd probably fancy Mahon and Hughes on the wings although Mooney does look more confident out wide. Three way battle between Burton, Stopforth and Roberts for the two centre mid spots. Can easily transition between a 4231 / 433 depending on the situation. The key to 4231 / 433 being the wingers can support their full backs, Smalley and Pritchard, something they are in desperate need of by the sounds of things. We're becoming too stretched with a really slow 3 centre backs who can't cover the ground when Smalley and Pritchard push up. I'd put Thompson at right back instead of Smalley. Maybe Moran at right back?? Deane Smalley up front with Dudley (assuming the Welsh FA pull their finger out) Any two of the three you name wide in the four. Let's be fair. Dom Smalley won Players Player of the Year at Ashton last year, playing full back. Also been mentioned as our star signing by many non league fans/press. Maybe we need to see him in a back four before talking of replacements. Anyway, rather play with ten men than have Moran at right back, having nightmares just thinking about that. |
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Post by Harry Lime on Aug 12, 2018 11:58:09 GMT
I'd put Thompson at right back instead of Smalley. Maybe Moran at right back?? Deane Smalley up front with Dudley (assuming the Welsh FA pull their finger out) Any two of the three you name wide in the four. Let's be fair. Dom Smalley won Players Player of the Year at Ashton last year, playing full back. Also been mentioned as our star signing by many non league fans/press. Maybe we need to see him in a back four before talking of replacements. Anyway, rather play with ten men than have Moran at right back, having nightmares just thinking about that. Ha! Just throwing it out there as an option. Moran has played there before, and is mobile. Could be a Heneghan kind of right back. You're probably right about Smalley. If you are, it's poor management, because he's looked lost in most games so far. It seems the centre halves aren't happy with the wing back formation either. If we change to a 442 formation we could play Roberts, Burton, Stopforth, with Green in front of them. Obviously not Tuesday though! |
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Post by Little Blue Boy on Aug 12, 2018 12:13:32 GMT
Shenton had been outstanding in the first two games, one poor performance and people are branding him 'not good enough for this level'. Let's calm down a little bit.
Pritchard clearly isn't a fullback - he looks more like a winger to me, defending and positioning has been poor in every game which indicates a player playing out of position. Would be concerned about playing him at left back in a 4-4-2.
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Post by dmcnally on Aug 12, 2018 12:17:20 GMT
Shenton had been outstanding in the first two games, one poor performance and people are branding him 'not good enough for this level'. Let's calm down a little bit. Pritchard clearly isn't a fullback - he looks more like a winger to me, defending and positioning has been poor in every game which indicates a player playing out of position. Would be concerned about playing him at left back in a 4-4-2. And who replaces him? Matty Waters? Who has played at left wing and has no senior experience playing left back. A worry. |
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Post by tarvinblue on Aug 12, 2018 12:17:37 GMT
Shenton had been outstanding in the first two games, one poor performance and people are branding him 'not good enough for this level'. Let's calm down a little bit. Pritchard clearly isn't a fullback - he looks more like a winger to me, defending and positioning has been poor in every game which indicates a player playing out of position. Would be concerned about playing him at left back in a 4-4-2. Shenton was poor pre season as well. Has a habit of palming shots out into dangerous areas. |
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Post by Imperial on Aug 12, 2018 12:32:30 GMT
Shenton had been outstanding in the first two games, one poor performance and people are branding him 'not good enough for this level'. Let's calm down a little bit. Pritchard clearly isn't a fullback - he looks more like a winger to me, defending and positioning has been poor in every game which indicates a player playing out of position. Would be concerned about playing him at left back in a 4-4-2. And who replaces him? Matty Waters? Who has played at left wing and has no senior experience playing left back. A worry. Waters is a left back though. JP has impressed me but has looked ropey defensively every single game. |
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Aug 12, 2018 12:40:58 GMT
Definitely 4-4-2 and one or two personnel changes I'd say...
Shenton
Smalley - Moran - Livesey - Pritchard
Hughes - Burton - Stopforth - Mooney
Tuton - Dudley
The full backs at full back (instead of wing back) and the wingers on the wing (instead of in the hole or leading the line).
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Post by Hannibal on Aug 12, 2018 12:48:39 GMT
Do we have a training session before the game?
One of the drawbacks of part time.
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Post by chesterken on Aug 12, 2018 12:51:17 GMT
And who replaces him? Matty Waters? Who has played at left wing and has no senior experience playing left back. A worry. Waters is a left back though. JP has impressed me but has looked ropey defensively every single game. Isn’t Walters out with a long term injury. |
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Post by Matt on Aug 12, 2018 13:12:10 GMT
Not sure he's going to be back. Just heard this. You know why? He’s been offered big money elsewhere. |
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Post by Imperial on Aug 12, 2018 13:14:09 GMT
Waters is a left back though. JP has impressed me but has looked ropey defensively every single game. Isn’t Walters out with a long term injury. So I heard but only on here, nothing official. Plus I’m sure I saw on Twitter that he’s been training recently. |
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Post by devablue on Aug 12, 2018 13:35:45 GMT
Just heard this. You know why? He’s been offered big money elsewhere. Did we only have him on non-contract terms then? |
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Post by Matt on Aug 12, 2018 13:38:11 GMT
Yeah, 7 days notice then they move on. Happened all the time when we first started out.
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Post by Little Blue Boy on Aug 12, 2018 13:38:53 GMT
Shenton had been outstanding in the first two games, one poor performance and people are branding him 'not good enough for this level'. Let's calm down a little bit. Pritchard clearly isn't a fullback - he looks more like a winger to me, defending and positioning has been poor in every game which indicates a player playing out of position. Would be concerned about playing him at left back in a 4-4-2. And who replaces him? Matty Waters? Who has played at left wing and has no senior experience playing left back. A worry. It is a worry. My point being that changing to 4-4-2 doesn't solve all our problems. The manager's have recruited with this formation in mind and the lads have been training and playing it since they arrived. Yesterday was a concern and clearly things need addressing, but it's not as easy as just changing the shape. Happy to trust the manager's to make the right calls, this is a new squad and it will inevitably - especially at part-time level - take time for players to get used to a system. |
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Post by chesterken on Aug 12, 2018 14:10:20 GMT
And who replaces him? Matty Waters? Who has played at left wing and has no senior experience playing left back. A worry. It is a worry. My point being that changing to 4-4-2 doesn't solve all our problems. The manager's have recruited with this formation in mind and the lads have been training and playing it since they arrived. Yesterday was a concern and clearly things need addressing, but it's not as easy as just changing the shape. Happy to trust the manager's to make the right calls, this is a new squad and it will inevitably - especially at part-time level - take time for players to get used to a system. But if we don’t change it every team will now sus us out, our centre backs are not going to get any quicker and teams will exploit the massive gaps we leave out wide when our wingbacks push up. Either the midfield players have to cover the space when the fullbacks( and I use that term loosely) bomb forward, or we change the formation but it will be suicide to just keep it the way it is. |
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Post by tonya on Aug 13, 2018 22:31:38 GMT
Formations can only work with players who make them work.
It seems we have slow centre backs who can't be left on their own so the system has to take that into account or you add a younger, faster centre back ....
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