|
Post by HairyTriangle on Jan 31, 2017 23:22:04 GMT
Giving Macca a 2.5 year contract based on a few months of moderate success has been widely applauded by fans. Er...................Why?
The club got itself into a pickle in the past by agreeing a contract with Steve Burr that it struggled to afford to buy itself out of, yet it's dug the same hole again with Macca!. The argument is that we don't want bigger clubs enticing him away - yeah right, bigger clubs are going to go for a non-league manager based on a few months' experience and no successes behind him.
While we all wish Macca the greatest of success, has the Club learned nothing?
|
|
|
Post by CH2 on Jan 31, 2017 23:32:25 GMT
I think we need stability for a season or two, which we really haven't had since being promoted, this (I think) is why Macca was offered the long term contract. There's no doubt he's done well with the limited funds and what was a squad of players that looked absolute shite last year. He obviously knows what he's doing and I for one am happy to give him the extended contract. If, somehow, we got into the playoffs and miraculously got promoted, I'd be terrified. I don't think we're in any shape (off the pitch) to make the step up to the football league.
|
|
|
Post by HairyTriangle on Jan 31, 2017 23:44:56 GMT
I think we need stability for a season or two, which we really haven't had since being promoted, this (I think) is why Macca was offered the long term contract. There's no doubt he's done well with the limited funds and what was a squad of players that looked absolute shite last year. He obviously knows what he's doing and I for one am happy to give him the extended contract. If, somehow, we got into the playoffs and miraculously got promoted, I'd be terrified. I don't think we're in any shape (off the pitch) to make the step up to the football league. I agree with you 100% that Macca could be the man to take us to the football league. But I also disagree with you 100% as well. The club is ready - the wider ecology, environment and infrastructure have moved on from the non-league days and is now ready to push on.
The club is now ready for the football league. Ask Alan Povey, Jim Keegan, Brian Burns or even Lawrence Kirby (the man with the tight-fisted hold on the finances, and Lawrence will take this as a compliment!)
It's time to PUSH ON.
|
|
|
Post by Buckley Blue on Jan 31, 2017 23:46:26 GMT
Damned if you do damned if you don't. I can't think of anyone who has a bad thing to say about him, he has worked minor miracles with the resources at hand and if you want stability then you have to take a chance and Macca deserves that chance.
|
|
|
Post by banksy on Jan 31, 2017 23:47:47 GMT
The board did very, very well in giving Jon a one year deal in the first place. It's unusual even at this level to have a manager only on a 1 year deal, but it was clearly designed to see what he could do in that time.
I believe the new contract is fully justified based on his work up to now and deserves the chance to develop the club further in the next couple of years. But, and it's a big but, he needs all of the fans to back what he's doing, if we all pull together in the same direction then we will improve the club as a whole.
By the way, evening DC2ers, it'll be interesting to see how the new forum goes. Hopefully some good constructive posts to help the club will be seen.
Jeff
|
|
|
Post by CH2 on Jan 31, 2017 23:47:59 GMT
I dunno, we still can't really afford to go full time so without somehow significantly increasing revenue I think we'd really struggle.
|
|
|
Post by CH3STER on Jan 31, 2017 23:58:04 GMT
It's a massive frustration of mine that we still have a fairly big chunk of our fan base that don't seem to be getting behind Macca. In my opinion he has already shown in his short managerial career with us that he is very talented and perfectly suited to our club.
People need to move on from the fact that he worked with/under Burr and get right behind him. He has all the attributes to go on and be a great manager for us
|
|
|
Post by cfcforme on Feb 1, 2017 1:41:42 GMT
This is the difficult situation the board find themselves in.... Sign people (players or manager) to long term contracts and it doesn't work out = get berated by the fans - "why did you sign then to such a long contact". On the other hand, don't sign then to a long contact to avoid the above and again get berated by the fans when they get snapped up for a pittance or walk away for free.....
Would you like to keep your cake or eat it?
|
|
|
Post by waggoner2 on Feb 1, 2017 6:59:32 GMT
This is the difficult situation the board find themselves in.... Sign people (players or manager) to long term contracts and it doesn't work out = get berated by the fans - "why did you sign then to such a long contact". On the other hand, don't sign then to a long contact to avoid the above and again get berated by the fans when they get snapped up for a pittance or walk away for free..... Would you like to keep your cake or eat it? I think that rather than give 2 year deals, we could offer the option of a 2nd year once a player starts 30 games in a season.....oh hang on maybe not!!
|
|
|
Post by Al on Feb 1, 2017 7:11:00 GMT
Tbh if they were 1st year pros it would be an ideal contract to have them on. Sam Hughes for instance would be looking at an automatic contract extension rather than being a free agent in the summer!
We'd be able to command a higher fee for him as well then!
|
|
|
Post by Krankie's Ghost on Feb 1, 2017 13:29:42 GMT
Im hoping he can be our John Askey. If we can match what Macclesfield have achieved over the last few years i'll be happy
|
|
|
Post by burrsdream on Feb 2, 2017 0:11:31 GMT
I know some will shoot me down but I think Steve Burr wasn't given enough time. Got us going really well to start off with. Yes, he lost his way slightly but it's his squad that Macca has benefited from.
|
|
|
Post by blue4eva on Feb 2, 2017 0:26:46 GMT
I know some will shoot me down but I think Steve Burr wasn't given enough time. Got us going really well to start off with. Yes, he lost his way slightly but it's his squad that Macca has benefited from. I said that to a mate of mine the other day and now hes left Southport we could get him back involved as he had some good ideas. It would be good if he could have a chance to make some history, not just for being our first South African manager. Oh Steve Burr is wonderful, Steve Burr is wonderful, wonderrrrfullll oh Steve Burr is wonderful. Lovely days.
|
|
|
Post by Buckley Blue on Feb 2, 2017 0:27:23 GMT
I think it's his squad that have benefited from Macca, not the other way round. Burr would have got us relegated.
|
|
|
Post by Rio Doherty on Feb 2, 2017 7:13:28 GMT
I know some will shoot me down but I think Steve Burr wasn't given enough time. Got us going really well to start off with. Yes, he lost his way slightly but it's his squad that Macca has benefited from. I said that to a mate of mine the other day and now hes left Southport we could get him back involved as he had some good ideas. It would be good if he could have a chance to make some history, not just for being our first South African manager. Oh Steve Burr is wonderful, Steve Burr is wonderful, wonderrrrfullll oh Steve Burr is wonderful. Lovely days. He's Scottish believe it or not.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 8:17:33 GMT
For me the biggest indication of the difference between both managers is in the players. Tom Shaw is like a new signing since Macca took over, a signing that came with a reputation but floundered under Burr. There's a real togetherness with this group of lads, and that includes Macca.
He's respected by everyone and it's clear Macca gets our club ethos. It's a match made in heaven I believe.
I was fortunate to have a little experience with the club, only one day but it was eye opening. Macca was there before anyone else at the training ground, setting everything up, then the players arrived one by one. The last to arrive? Steve Burr. Maybe it was just a coincidence that he had something on the day I was there, but even so, I got the sense that Macca was a lot more hands on than Burr during the session.
Do I believe Burr was/is a very good manager? Yes
Do I believe his heart was in it as much as it was a few years ago (when at Kiddie etc)? Probably not.
I think we have the right man in Macca and very lucky to have someone who lives/loves the game as much as the man on the terrace.
I think it is great that we have a fairly younger manager, one who clearly wants to progress both his career and the club at the same time. It's an exciting time for the club.
|
|
|
Post by gone4eva on Feb 2, 2017 9:26:05 GMT
I said that to a mate of mine the other day and now hes left Southport we could get him back involved as he had some good ideas. It would be good if he could have a chance to make some history, not just for being our first South African manager. Oh Steve Burr is wonderful, Steve Burr is wonderful, wonderrrrfullll oh Steve Burr is wonderful. Lovely days. He's Scottish believe it or not. I thought he was but a mate of mine swore blind he was south african?! Does anyone know where he was born?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 9:38:34 GMT
He's Scottish believe it or not. I thought he was but a mate of mine swore blind he was south african?! Does anyone know where he was born? Wiki says he was born in Aberdeen. He doesn't sound Scottish or South African when he speaks to be fair.
|
|
|
Post by burrsdream on Feb 2, 2017 9:46:23 GMT
He's Scottish believe it or not. I thought he was but a mate of mine swore blind he was south african?! Does anyone know where he was born? I thought he sounded a bit Antipodean when he first joined.
|
|
|
Post by agl on Feb 2, 2017 11:50:49 GMT
I was also nervous about the length of the contract. What happens if we lose 7 in a row at the start of next season? What I hope will happen is that irrespective of results he would stay at the club in some capacity, as he clearly buys into what we are all about. When you read about him sweeping leaves and inviting kids for lunch with the players you hope that people will look beyond what's happening on the pitch.
|
|
|
Post by andy091079 on Feb 2, 2017 12:24:00 GMT
My thoughts are i would find it hard to name anyone who we could afford, who can work within the budget that we have who would have done a better job.
I think it is important to remember he is only starting out as a manager. He kept us up last season and we are mid table now. I believe he can only get better as a manager and merits the contract extension.
|
|
|
Post by Rio Doherty on Feb 2, 2017 15:52:52 GMT
I thought he was but a mate of mine swore blind he was south african?! Does anyone know where he was born? I thought he sounded a bit Antipodean when he first joined. He sounds a bit brummie. But he definitely doesn't sound Scottish.
|
|
|
Post by gone4eva on Feb 2, 2017 15:58:11 GMT
It appears there is an Aberdeen in South Africa, could the wikipedia entry be wrong?
|
|
|
Post by Cestrian93 on Feb 2, 2017 16:03:20 GMT
I thought he sounded a bit Antipodean when he first joined. He sounds a bit brummie. But he definitely doesn't sound Scottish. He does live in the West Midlands (Kidderminster?) and is a Wolves supporter.
|
|
|
Post by Rio Doherty on Feb 2, 2017 16:05:50 GMT
He sounds a bit brummie. But he definitely doesn't sound Scottish. He does live in the West Midlands (Kidderminster?) and is a Wolves supporter. That's probably why then 😄
|
|
|
Post by jaycardz on Feb 2, 2017 16:10:27 GMT
I know some will shoot me down but I think Steve Burr wasn't given enough time. Got us going really well to start off with. Yes, he lost his way slightly but it's his squad that Macca has benefited from. I said that to a mate of mine the other day and now hes left Southport we could get him back involved as he had some good ideas. It would be good if he could have a chance to make some history, not just for being our first South African manager. Oh Steve Burr is wonderful, Steve Burr is wonderful, wonderrrrfullll oh Steve Burr is wonderful. Lovely days. Peter Hauser was our first South African manager. Our only South African manager.
|
|
|
Post by Sqzl Guest on Feb 2, 2017 16:44:09 GMT
I think it's his squad that have benefited from Macca, not the other way round. Burr would have got us relegated. Agree, i think we may have ended up going down under Burr, given his reluctance to defend. He wanted all out attack and we were not great at that either! Every central midfielder we had under him looked poor, that's because they we're so exposed!!
|
|
|
Post by Si on Feb 2, 2017 17:45:01 GMT
I think it's his squad that have benefited from Macca, not the other way round. Burr would have got us relegated. Agree, i think we may have ended up going down under Burr, given his reluctance to defend. He wanted all out attack and we were not great at that either! Every central midfielder we had under him looked poor, that's because they we're so exposed!! That was the problem. We were never good defensively under Burr but in the earlier days we looked good going forwards. In his final season we were dreadful at both and any attempts to play nice football had been lost to lumping it towards Hannah, who amazingly bagged 20+ goals but god knows how!
|
|
|
Post by gone4eva on Feb 3, 2017 1:03:34 GMT
I said that to a mate of mine the other day and now hes left Southport we could get him back involved as he had some good ideas. It would be good if he could have a chance to make some history, not just for being our first South African manager. Oh Steve Burr is wonderful, Steve Burr is wonderful, wonderrrrfullll oh Steve Burr is wonderful. Lovely days. Peter Hauser was our first South African manager. Our only South African manager. Good history fact there - we are working on the research to see if Steve Burr was from South Africa as well, we could well have a second!
|
|