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Post by rcb on Sept 2, 2018 10:10:27 GMT
Maybe it’s just me being nostalgic, but I have the feeling that there is a lot less loyalty between players and managers to the clubs, and vice versa. I think there is a lot more movement between clubs than in the past, and even more regular movement the lower we go in the pyramid.
Tom Finney and Preston, Bobby Charlton and Manchester United, and Bill Shankly and Liverpool are three prime examples. At Chester we have the Legends, but I don’t see any of the current employees becoming “one of our own”. More and more I only see “employees for a season”. I felt Chester blood ran through Neil Young’s veins. All other managers since have just been employees. Where are the attitudes and commitments of the likes of Ashley Williams, Bradley Barnes, and Michael Powell these days? George Horan will always be Chester to me.
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Post by Matt on Sept 2, 2018 10:20:15 GMT
It’s very much dead now just look at Barrow going to Wrexham considering he’s old school it shows the game has gone, no loyalty or dignity left even if it’s a decent wage a week.
Ben Davies comments leaves for Shrewsbury
Rooney comments leaves for Wrexham
I knows there’s others but that’s before my life time and there’s obviously Gary Bennet.
On the other hand Jon Walters rejected a new contract, joined us and pocketed 250k for the Club. Shame we never saw a penny of it!
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Post by Andy on Sept 2, 2018 11:58:49 GMT
I think loyalty now only occurs if it benefits one or both parties. If a player has a great season and another club offers more money I don't the progression up the league means alot as long as they've got a few quid in the pocket they would move. The loyalty side from the club would come if a player had a bad spell or has been injury prone and they stick with them. Other than that egos, money, and convenience gets in the way.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 12:45:30 GMT
Anyone earning their living from the game has one loyalty only. Cash.
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Post by billyw on Sept 2, 2018 14:03:55 GMT
Loyalty stopped when the maximum wage stopped - many years ago.
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Post by sqzl on Sept 2, 2018 15:30:53 GMT
Personally understand why players aren’t loyal at this level. They want to either progress their careers in the game or want more money, just like us lot if we apply for a higher role at work etc.
I don’t really see loyalty as a big part of football at this level. I say when you’re taking premier league, earning hundreds of thousands a week in some cases, loyalty means a bit more because leaving for money is a bit embarrassing when you earn that much already, the only way you’d expect players to leave is to win trophies.
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Post by superman on Sept 2, 2018 16:00:27 GMT
When I started watching late 50's early 60's whilst loving in Northwich, both Vics and Witton had a hard core of local lads playing for them, several of them for many years and some employed in the local industry. Most working people didn't have cars and so were less mobile. It was certainly great to identify with the players who I'd see walking down the local high street or getting their hair cut in the local barbers.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Sept 2, 2018 16:05:36 GMT
When I started watching late 50's early 60's whilst loving in Northwich, both Vics and Witton had a hard core of local lads playing for them, several of them for many years and some employed in the local industry. Most working people didn't have cars and so were less mobile. It was certainly great to identify with the players who I'd see walking down the local high street or getting their hair cut in the local barbers. I didn't realise Northwich was such a swinging place |
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Post by superman on Sept 2, 2018 16:33:46 GMT
When I started watching late 50's early 60's whilst loving in Northwich, both Vics and Witton had a hard core of local lads playing for them, several of them for many years and some employed in the local industry. Most working people didn't have cars and so were less mobile. It was certainly great to identify with the players who I'd see walking down the local high street or getting their hair cut in the local barbers. I didn't realise Northwich was such a swinging place Ha! Good spot, loved living there at the time though. Happy memories of games at the Drill Field and Central Ground, decent rivalry not the bitterness of today. |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Sept 2, 2018 16:45:59 GMT
I didn't realise Northwich was such a swinging place Ha! Good spot, loved living there at the time though. Happy memories of games at the Drill Field and Central Ground, decent rivalry not the bitterness of today. Ah yes the good old days I remember we used to go quite regularly to a nightclub in Northwich late 60s early 70s can't remember the name but it was a bloody good night out with a bit of loving too at times |
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Post by Lobster on Sept 3, 2018 6:33:43 GMT
At our level, I can’t really blame anyone for trying to make the most out of their career. We can’t really expect players and managers to love the club in the same way we do as these days, it’s rare for a player to spend more than a couple of seasons at the club and they have to treat it as a job.
I’m a little disappointed to see Barrow at Wrexham. It doesn’t seem right and you feel that with his experience in the game a) he can’t be short of money and b) surely he’d have got an offer from somebody else if he’d waited a bit? I suppose he could well argue he’s been loyal to us on many occasions, has been treated poorly by several chairman and perhaps his rumoured unhappiness at the interview process last year was the point at which he stopped believing he owed Chester anything.
What I find harder to understand is players at the top who have built a legacy at one club, then move to a rival, like Sol Campbell going from Spurs to Arsenal, or Luis Figo going from Barca to Real. I even find it hard to understand Mourinho being at Man Utd having been celebrated at Chelsea. He’s not short of money and has won everything, so why not take on a different challenge like international management rather than tarnish what he achieved at Chelsea?
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Post by Harry Lime on Sept 3, 2018 8:28:41 GMT
At our level, I can’t really blame anyone for trying to make the most out of their career. We can’t really expect players and managers to love the club in the same way we do as these days, it’s rare for a player to spend more than a couple of seasons at the club and they have to treat it as a job. I’m a little disappointed to see Barrow at Wrexham. It doesn’t seem right and you feel that with his experience in the game a) he can’t be short of money and b) surely he’d have got an offer from somebody else if he’d waited a bit? I suppose he could well argue he’s been loyal to us on many occasions, has been treated poorly by several chairman and perhaps his rumoured unhappiness at the interview process last year was the point at which he stopped believing he owed Chester anything. What I find harder to understand is players at the top who have built a legacy at one club, then move to a rival, like Sol Campbell going from Spurs to Arsenal, or Luis Figo going from Barca to Real. I even find it hard to understand Mourinho being at Man Utd having been celebrated at Chelsea. He’s not short of money and has won everything, so why not take on a different challenge like international management rather than tarnish what he achieved at Chelsea?Have you considered the fact that he might enjoy managing in England? Despite the fact he never looks happy! He told the managers in Italy that football in England was perfect. The grounds are full and new. Crowds are noisy and atmosphere good. Players bounce off each other, and the referees understand the game. Quique Sanchez Flores said that Jose also said that to him before he came to England (Watford). He said he agreed with him. Unless you can get your own countries national manager job, why would you want an international job? That's less loyal surely? |
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Post by uptheseals on Sept 8, 2018 17:00:37 GMT
Craig Mahon is a fantastic example of a loyal player at this level
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Post by Imperial on Sept 8, 2018 18:17:28 GMT
Craig Mahon is a fantastic example of a loyal player at this level I hope you mean of the club staying loyal to him, he’s been poor and/or injured for the last two years. Good lad & good player but it’s not as if he had league clubs tapping him up is it? |
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Post by uptheseals on Sept 8, 2018 22:54:40 GMT
Craig Mahon is a fantastic example of a loyal player at this level I hope you mean of the club staying loyal to him, he’s been poor and/or injured for the last two years. Good lad & good player but it’s not as if he had league clubs tapping him up is it? You forgetting the fact the lads Chester through and through even got our clubs badge tattoo'd on him ? He's not had a bad game this season easily one best players at this level |
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Post by Imperial on Sept 10, 2018 0:17:35 GMT
I couldn’t forget that as I never knew it. Fair play.
My point stands though, the club have stuck with him when his form has been awful & when he’s suffered with serious injury.
Fully agree he looks bast to his best this season, was great yesterday & looked a real threat in front of goal.
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Post by The Angry Agenda on Sept 10, 2018 9:27:28 GMT
At our level, I can’t really blame anyone for trying to make the most out of their career. We can’t really expect players and managers to love the club in the same way we do as these days, it’s rare for a player to spend more than a couple of seasons at the club and they have to treat it as a job. I’m a little disappointed to see Barrow at Wrexham. It doesn’t seem right and you feel that with his experience in the game a) he can’t be short of money and b) surely he’d have got an offer from somebody else if he’d waited a bit? I suppose he could well argue he’s been loyal to us on many occasions, has been treated poorly by several chairman and perhaps his rumoured unhappiness at the interview process last year was the point at which he stopped believing he owed Chester anything. What I find harder to understand is players at the top who have built a legacy at one club, then move to a rival, like Sol Campbell going from Spurs to Arsenal, or Luis Figo going from Barca to Real. I even find it hard to understand Mourinho being at Man Utd having been celebrated at Chelsea. He’s not short of money and has won everything, so why not take on a different challenge like international management rather than tarnish what he achieved at Chelsea?Have you considered the fact that he might enjoy managing in England? Despite the fact he never looks happy! He told the managers in Italy that football in England was perfect. The grounds are full and new. Crowds are noisy and atmosphere good. Players bounce off each other, and the referees understand the game. Quique Sanchez Flores said that Jose also said that to him before he came to England (Watford). He said he agreed with him. Unless you can get your own countries national manager job, why would you want an international job? That's less loyal surely? Most of these managers aren't interested in an International job anyway, as they'd miss the day to day involvement they get from being a league manager. It's a big change going from being involved 6/7 days a week, to a few times, every couple of months.
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