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Post by btb on Sept 7, 2018 21:10:54 GMT
That would explain it then HC. Had a feeling he wasn’t a fan due to the nature of his posts. And quite obviously thinks highly of the management.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 21:56:09 GMT
So because a few of the lads started there careers at Ramsbottom years ago that’s a concern? With new managers coming in during close season with only a handful of players left why wouldn’t they sign up free agents that have played for them before at some point as opposed to waiting until pre-season to assess trialists? From what I can gather the new lad hasn’t ever played for the managers before but because he happens to have played for Ramsbottom it’s an issue? Like I’ve said above, some people genuinely come on here just to have a whine and moan about anything and everything! Ian are you this lad's agent? I’ve never seen the boy play and until today I can’t overly say that I’d heard of his name. I just found it a little distasteful that he has just signed yet people came on here and questioned the motives behind it.
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Post by prodigal on Sept 7, 2018 22:02:44 GMT
So.anyone who read Ian's first post, knows he thinks highly of the management and has followed their careers closely,so whether he is family, friend or just a fan is pretty irrelevant. I hope his optimism and faith is rewarded and he doesn't feel the need to have to get his coat anytime soon! It's refreshing to have someone who will stand by their convictions to be honest and he might help us to understand the duo's psyche in the months to come. I also understand why he may be a little miffed about our scepticism towards some signings,when we have yet to really see them play. I do however agree with the posters who find it frustrating that our own young players are playing in the glue and their players are coming to us. I think Nathan Brown for example had already come along way towards toughening up ( he's never going to be six foot unless they make him sleep in a greenhouse at Ramsbottom! ) My favourite moment of pre-season was at Cairns Crescent when the Blacon center half complained to the ref, that Brown kept roughing him up in the first ball challenge from goal kicks.
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Post by btb on Sept 7, 2018 22:19:34 GMT
btb, happyclapper. I’m not a parent of anyone anything to do with Chester and neither would I call myself a friend of theirs really. As I said in my first ever post which you kindly reposted above - I’ve followed there progress from Ramsbottom through to Chester and have a respect for them due to seeing what they did at their previous two clubs. I’ve also been to four of Chesters games this season and although as you rightly suggest I’m not a Chester ‘supporter’ I’ve been a ‘fan’ over the last few games. All I’ve tried to do is give you perspective from what I know of previous players they’ve worked with and who I have seen play first hand. I have no agendas whatsoever and have enjoyed debating with some of the guys/gals on here. Thanks for the clarification. Debate is good. I just noted that you didn't speak as a fan, more of a third party. Out of interest, are we playing anything like their time at Ramsbottom or Salford?
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Post by Anders on Sept 7, 2018 22:22:56 GMT
Why are people blatantly ignoring the fact that Lloyd Marsh-Hughes, Cain Noble and Matty Thomson have been getting minutes this season? Could even throw Waters in the mix I suppose.
A few are out on loan getting even more regular time on the pitch. It's normal.
Stop creating a silly drama for the sake of it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 22:26:38 GMT
Couldn't care less where we sign players from and who they've played for, if Bern and Jonno deem them good enough then I'll back them.
They've never managed Luke Jordan before, he just so happens to play for a team they managed previously. The lad impressed in a friendly and they've kept tabs on him, the fact that they have that connection works in our favour. We never had a great budget and it's all clearly been used so we are relying on the two to use their connections and pull to give us a chance of adding to the squad (we absolutely need any help we can get right now).
Luke Jordan is the type of player we should be looking to sign, hopefully he impresses enough and we can make room in the budget to tie him down for the season at least
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Post by everhopeful on Sept 8, 2018 4:10:18 GMT
Still wish we could have signed a striker rather than a winger!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2018 7:10:43 GMT
Luke gives us something different from what we have. Pace. He's a young lad who has played Football League. Isn't that exactly the kind of player we should be looking to bring in? Nathan Brown, apart from one 30 minute spell, hasn't looked to have improved in the last season. Iwan Murray may have improved past him imo. Waters hasn't had a good game in 12 months, when I've seen him. It's a touch of the Tom Peers problem. People think they're better than they are, because they've done well in our youth team. People seem to ignore the fact that a number of our young players are getting game time this season. The other issue is our injury list. The bench at Guiseley had two 17yo's, an 18yo and a 19yo keeper and 23yo we signed the day before. Sean Miller didn't look that fit either. Maybe we need another body for tomorrow. Some of the people complaining about where we get players from might want to consider our budget. We've managed to get in a bunch of players who have played in teams that won this league. Some played higher recently too. Others are young keen players moving up into this league, from the Unibond. We've lost a player to Spennymoor, who doubled our offer. Where do you we're going to sign players from? There does seem to be an agenda against our Managers from some of our supporters. Maybe the pain and frustration of the past 30 months have just got to us all. We need to take a breath and pull together. Giving our own manager and players abuse etc is hardly going to help us get players in or for them to play well when they do come. There was a Sunderland game on in August. They were playing well and the crowd were supporting them. Then a player under hit a pass and the opposition got in on goal. The whole atmosphere changed in an instant. The players felt it and they fell apart. West Ham are the same. Their supporters have had so much disapointment, they almost will it on to the team. Making it difficult for them to play well. Even harder for a young player. Let's support our managers and players. Away with you and your writing of sense on here.
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Post by Derry Blue on Sept 8, 2018 7:19:14 GMT
Why are people blatantly ignoring the fact that Lloyd Marsh-Hughes, Cain Noble and Matty Thomson have been getting minutes this season? Could even throw Waters in the mix I suppose. A few are out on loan getting even more regular time on the pitch. It's normal. Stop creating a silly drama for the sake of it. Good point Anders, but please don't throw Waters into the mix. He's out of his depth I'm afraid.
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Post by Hannibal on Sept 8, 2018 7:28:30 GMT
Completely pointless thread this. A lot of our signings and loanees since we reformed have not even played or played out of position. Let's see if he plays before we pass judgement. I must say I'm really looking forward to getting down to the ground today.
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Post by Harry Lime on Sept 8, 2018 7:29:59 GMT
Luke gives us something different from what we have. Pace. He's a young lad who has played Football League. Isn't that exactly the kind of player we should be looking to bring in? Nathan Brown, apart from one 30 minute spell, hasn't looked to have improved in the last season. Iwan Murray may have improved past him imo. Waters hasn't had a good game in 12 months, when I've seen him. It's a touch of the Tom Peers problem. People think they're better than they are, because they've done well in our youth team. People seem to ignore the fact that a number of our young players are getting game time this season. The other issue is our injury list. The bench at Guiseley had two 17yo's, an 18yo and a 19yo keeper and 23yo we signed the day before. Sean Miller didn't look that fit either. Maybe we need another body for tomorrow. Some of the people complaining about where we get players from might want to consider our budget. We've managed to get in a bunch of players who have played in teams that won this league. Some played higher recently too. Others are young keen players moving up into this league, from the Unibond. We've lost a player to Spennymoor, who doubled our offer. Where do you we're going to sign players from? There does seem to be an agenda against our Managers from some of our supporters. Maybe the pain and frustration of the past 30 months have just got to us all. We need to take a breath and pull together. Giving our own manager and players abuse etc is hardly going to help us get players in or for them to play well when they do come. There was a Sunderland game on in August. They were playing well and the crowd were supporting them. Then a player under hit a pass and the opposition got in on goal. The whole atmosphere changed in an instant. The players felt it and they fell apart. West Ham are the same. Their supporters have had so much disapointment, they almost will it on to the team. Making it difficult for them to play well. Even harder for a young player. Let's support our managers and players. Away with you and your writing of sense on here. Sorry! Got carried away. Won't happen again.😎
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Post by iandychesterfc on Sept 8, 2018 8:53:54 GMT
The absolute state of those replies to Ian. Unreal.
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Post by Captain Duff on Sept 8, 2018 9:49:22 GMT
The only thing I'm having a issue is, that we constantly going back for ex Ramsbottom players. If not we are tapping up Salford, makes me think we little in the way of contact's outside of these 2 clubs. Think Nathan Brown can do us a job. Would of kept him back. It does worry me. Either our scouting is non-existent, or if we have anyone scouting they are ignored for the 'who we know already' players. Given the 'who we know already' is spread between just two clubs then I can't see the talent pool being particularly large.
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Post by Jack on Sept 8, 2018 9:50:47 GMT
Absolutely agree with the idea that our dreadful form for the last 3 seasons has turned a sizeable chunk of the fanbase into negative, whinging moaners.
It's almost as if our default setting has been set to misery, and you can feel it around the ground on a match day. Heaven forbid we go 1-0 down today, because it always turns sour and puts the players under the pressure.
We need to support. This season is a fresh start and things might take time, but we're in a healthy position off the pitch and much to be positive about. The McCarthy, Bignot and Maguire era is over - cheer up!
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Post by Anders on Sept 8, 2018 10:36:19 GMT
Why are people blatantly ignoring the fact that Lloyd Marsh-Hughes, Cain Noble and Matty Thomson have been getting minutes this season? Could even throw Waters in the mix I suppose. A few are out on loan getting even more regular time on the pitch. It's normal. Stop creating a silly drama for the sake of it. Good point Anders, but please don't throw Waters into the mix. He's out of his depth I'm afraid. Maybe, but he’s another player who came through the academy who is being given a chance. People are acting as if Morley and Johnson are banishing our own younger players to the stands when they’re actually doing completely the opposite. They’re probably giving them more chance than any Chester manager for quite a while. Genuinely find some of these complaints completely ludicrous. The success of the youth team (at their level) has given some people a bit of a warped view of it IMO.
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Post by Jack on Sept 8, 2018 10:38:38 GMT
Good point Anders, but please don't throw Waters into the mix. He's out of his depth I'm afraid. Maybe, but he’s another player who came through the academy who is being given a chance. People are acting as if Morley and Johnson are banishing our own younger players to the stands when they’re actually doing completely the opposite. They’re probably giving them more chance than any Chester manager for quite a while. Genuinely find some of these complaints completely ludicrous. The success of the youth team (at their level) has given some people a bit of a warped view of it IMO. Absolutely agree. Think it's not just at our club though, supporters everywhere are sometimes overly keen to see their youth side in the first team. It won't help their development unless they're ready. It'll actually do the opposite.
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Post by chesterken on Sept 8, 2018 16:38:58 GMT
I though the new lad looked very good he has very quick feet; he controlled and moved the ball in a fraction of a second which lead to the lad taking his leg instead of the ball for the pen.
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Post by bonecrusher on Sept 8, 2018 17:18:49 GMT
I though the new lad looked very good he has very quick feet; he controlled and moved the ball in a fraction of a second which lead to the lad taking his leg instead of the ball for the pen. Hmm, I also thought the lad looked decent. Only 19 but had some physicality about him as well as the pace. I actually thought he miscontrolled the ball and then dived for the pen! But who cares to be honest!
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Post by bonecrusher on Sept 8, 2018 17:23:01 GMT
The success of the youth team (at their level) has given some people a bit of a warped view of it IMO. I think this is spot on. Tom Peers was the first one through, and although we all wanted him to do well, it was clear to me quiet soon that he wasn't really good enough long term. I also though it was pretty obvious very soon that Sam Hughes was better suited to centre half, James Jones also looked like a decent player from the off. I find the fact that Matty Waters is still lurking around the first team incredible to be honest, No offence to the lad because he is far better a player tan I ever was but he is way out of his depth and living in a fantasy world if he thinks he is going to make a career out of football.
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Post by chesterken on Sept 8, 2018 18:14:24 GMT
I think this is spot on. Tom Peers was the first one through, and although we all wanted him to do well, it was clear to me quiet soon that he wasn't really good enough long term. I also though it was pretty obvious very soon that Sam Hughes was better suited to centre half, James Jones also looked like a decent player from the off. I find the fact that Matty Waters is still lurking around the first team incredible to be honest, No offence to the lad because he is far better a player tan I ever was but he is way out of his depth and living in a fantasy world if he thinks he is going to make a career out of football. Peers is getting slatted by Altrinham fans as being on the list of the worst strikers that have ever worn played for them, Craig Hobson and Danny Hattersey😂
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Post by Imperial on Sept 8, 2018 18:21:16 GMT
I think this is spot on. Tom Peers was the first one through, and although we all wanted him to do well, it was clear to me quiet soon that he wasn't really good enough long term. I also though it was pretty obvious very soon that Sam Hughes was better suited to centre half, James Jones also looked like a decent player from the off. I find the fact that Matty Waters is still lurking around the first team incredible to be honest, No offence to the lad because he is far better a player tan I ever was but he is way out of his depth and living in a fantasy world if he thinks he is going to make a career out of football. Really? I think there’s a player in Waters if he can avoid injury & toughen up a little bit.
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Post by elazuluno on Sept 8, 2018 18:55:48 GMT
.....looked very good in the short space of time he was on, granted fresh legs against tiring but looked fearless.
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