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Post by hackett on Dec 1, 2018 21:38:27 GMT
Why on earth were people banging on car windows, handing out leaflets at the game today?
I know there is not much that can be done to stop it with it not being on the clubs land but why today? Pushing politics in to the club is only going to put people off, and although some on here agree with the sentiments behind the flag waving clowns it needs nipping in the bud.
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Post by Imperial on Dec 1, 2018 21:49:07 GMT
Completely agree. Politics should be kept away from footy. I took one look an the anti-Semitic leaflet & gave it back with firm “No thank you”
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 1, 2018 21:49:26 GMT
What was the nature of it?
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Post by hackett on Dec 1, 2018 21:56:24 GMT
What was the nature of it? Didn't take the leaflet but read one that was left at the kiosk half time, basically they want us to write to the club to ask that they approach UEFA asking that Isreal can no longer be a part of the association. Regardless of opinions, it's a joke and the plod across the way from them should have sent them packing. |
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Post by Deva Chanter on Dec 1, 2018 22:01:06 GMT
Completely agree. Politics should be kept away from footy. I took one look an the anti-Semitic leaflet & gave it back with firm “No thank you” I didn't see any leaflets, what was anti-semitic about it, out of interest? |
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Post by Imperial on Dec 1, 2018 22:02:51 GMT
Wanting to prevent them from taking part in sporting competitions.
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Post by Deva Chanter on Dec 1, 2018 22:08:51 GMT
Wanting to prevent them from taking part in sporting competitions. Sounds like a strange definition of anti-semitism which appears to conflate Judaism and Israel - was it 'racist' when South Africa were banned from FIFA in 1963? Of course it wasn't. |
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Post by Imperial on Dec 1, 2018 22:12:14 GMT
Wanting to prevent them from taking part in sporting competitions. Sounds like a strange definition of anti-semitism which appears to conflate Judaism and Israel - was it 'racist' when South Africa were banned from FIFA in 1963? Of course it wasn't. No conflation. It’s a nation of Jews, arguing that they shouldn’t be allowed to take part in football because of their government’s policies is absolutely anti-Semitic, otherwise they’d have also been arguing that Saudi Arabia should get the same treatment because of Yemen & so on. |
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Post by bonecrusher on Dec 1, 2018 22:15:56 GMT
Wanting to prevent them from taking part in sporting competitions. Sounds like a strange definition of anti-semitism which appears to conflate Judaism and Israel - was it 'racist' when South Africa were banned from FIFA in 1963? Of course it wasn't. That's not comparable. The state of Israel basically represents Judaism. It's an incredibly comolex situation. Whatever peoples views of this though, it has nothing to do with football. |
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Post by Deva Chanter on Dec 1, 2018 22:16:33 GMT
Sounds like a strange definition of anti-semitism which appears to conflate Judaism and Israel - was it 'racist' when South Africa were banned from FIFA in 1963? Of course it wasn't. No conflation. It’s a nation of Jews, arguing that they shouldn’t be allowed to take part in football because of their government’s policies is absolutely anti-Semitic, otherwise they’d have also been arguing that Saudi Arabia should get the same treatment because of Yemen & so on. So in that case, you do think it was racist that South Africa was banned from FIFA in 1963, just to be clear? |
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Post by Imperial on Dec 1, 2018 22:20:41 GMT
No conflation. It’s a nation of Jews, arguing that they shouldn’t be allowed to take part in football because of their government’s policies is absolutely anti-Semitic, otherwise they’d have also been arguing that Saudi Arabia should get the same treatment because of Yemen & so on. So in that case, you do think it was racist that South Africa was banned from FIFA in 1963, just to be clear? I was born in 1987. I dunno, probably? |
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Post by Deva Chanter on Dec 1, 2018 22:31:55 GMT
So in that case, you do think it was racist that South Africa was banned from FIFA in 1963, just to be clear? I was born in 1987. I dunno, probably? I was born in 1992 and was taught that ignorance isn't usually the best answer. I'd suggest that you might want to read a bit about how the boycott of South Africa helped to bring about the end of apartheid. |
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Post by Hannibal on Dec 1, 2018 22:34:19 GMT
I warned one of them that what they were doing was hate crime as defined by the IHRA definition of anti-Semitism and would be reporting them to the police.
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Post by Imperial on Dec 1, 2018 22:43:15 GMT
I was born in 1987. I dunno, probably? I was born in 1992 and was taught that ignorance isn't usually the best answer. I'd suggest that you might want to read a bit about how the boycott of South Africa helped to bring about the end of apartheid. Then stop cheeking your elders you little scamp. |
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Post by avfo on Dec 1, 2018 23:09:45 GMT
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Post by hackett on Dec 1, 2018 23:17:34 GMT
Didn't start the topic for it to be locked by Sunday dinner, it's quite clear we all have a masters in the conflict so lets leave opinions out and carry on with my initial question..
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Post by avfo on Dec 1, 2018 23:34:43 GMT
Didn't start the topic for it to be locked by Sunday dinner, it's quite clear we all have a masters in the conflict so lets leave opinions out and carry on with my initial question.. 'Why on earth were people banging on car windows, handing out leaflets at the game today' - The simple answer was to garner publicity for a football related political campaign. The mere fact that a thread has been created on this forum will be treated as a minor success by those involved. |
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Post by hackett on Dec 1, 2018 23:37:39 GMT
Didn't start the topic for it to be locked by Sunday dinner, it's quite clear we all have a masters in the conflict so lets leave opinions out and carry on with my initial question.. 'Why on earth were people banging on car windows, handing out leaflets at the game today' - The simple answer was to garner publicity for a football related political campaign. The mere fact that a thread has been created on this forum will be treated as a minor success by those involved. I don't think a post on an internet message board would be seen as a win for these barnpots but yeah fair point, no point in discussing it any further, you've answered the post. |
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Post by banksy on Dec 1, 2018 23:45:28 GMT
Evening all.
Just to confirm that I was approached by this group a few weeks ago, asking to distribute leaflets inside the Stadium grounds.
Naturally I advised that this was not something the club would support, as we do not as a club get involved in anything political.
The group did actually want to leaflet at the Altrincham match outside of the stadium but advised them that this was ill advised due to the remembrance theme at the game and thankfully they heeded that advice.
Sorry if anyone was offended today by the leafleting but it certainly wasn't approved by anyone at the club today.
Jeff
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 1, 2018 23:51:32 GMT
Wanting to prevent them from taking part in sporting competitions. Sounds like a strange definition of anti-semitism which appears to conflate Judaism and Israel - was it 'racist' when South Africa were banned from FIFA in 1963? Of course it wasn't. Agree with that. If that's what the leaflet said, then there's absolutely zilch anti-Semitic about it. Israel isn't even in Europe anyway. Still, it's not for our club to get involved with to be honest. |
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Post by hackett on Dec 1, 2018 23:56:02 GMT
Evening all. Just to confirm that I was approached by this group a few weeks ago, asking to distribute leaflets inside the Stadium grounds. Naturally I advised that this was not something the club would support, as we do not as a club get involved in anything political. The group did actually want to leaflet at the Altrincham match outside of the stadium but advised them that this was ill advised due to the remembrance theme at the game and thankfully they heeded that advice. Sorry if anyone was offended today by the leafleting but it certainly wasn't approved by anyone at the club today. Jeff Knew it wouldn't have been given the green light by the club as they weren't on the grounds. Just hope everybody who went realised this. Cheers for clarification though. |
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Post by avfo on Dec 2, 2018 0:25:08 GMT
Sounds like a strange definition of anti-semitism which appears to conflate Judaism and Israel - was it 'racist' when South Africa were banned from FIFA in 1963? Of course it wasn't. Agree with that. If that's what the leaflet said, then there's absolutely zilch anti-Semitic about it. Israel isn't even in Europe anyway. Still, it's not for our club to get involved with to be honest.In 2014 the CFC Community Trust coaches organised a tour of the Deva and put on a coaching session for a group of young Palestinian footballers including Adam Halabiyeh who as reported at the time on the CFC OWS 'had been shot in both legs by Israeli soldiers after leaving football training'. That was then and this is now? |
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Post by hackett on Dec 2, 2018 0:41:44 GMT
Agree with that. If that's what the leaflet said, then there's absolutely zilch anti-Semitic about it. Israel isn't even in Europe anyway. Still, it's not for our club to get involved with to be honest.In 2014 the CFC Community Trust coaches organised a tour of the Deva and put on a coaching session for a group of young Palestinian footballers including Adam Halabiyeh who as reported at the time on the CFC OWS 'had been shot in both legs by Israeli soldiers after leaving football training'. That was then and this is now? Are you hinting that we should somehow be affiliated to this? If so, grow up. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 2, 2018 0:49:10 GMT
Agree with that. If that's what the leaflet said, then there's absolutely zilch anti-Semitic about it. Israel isn't even in Europe anyway. Still, it's not for our club to get involved with to be honest.In 2014 the CFC Community Trust coaches organised a tour of the Deva and put on a coaching session for a group of young Palestinian footballers including Adam Halabiyeh who as reported at the time on the CFC OWS 'had been shot in both legs by Israeli soldiers after leaving football training'. That was then and this is now? As far as I can tell we hosted a group of young footballers, purely for football reasons. I wouldn't say that was overly political, whereas this leaflet campaign is solely political. Mind you, the very nature of the football club is socialist so there's some strand of politics involved. To answer one of the points made throughout this thread - is this campaign racist/anti-Semitic? No, and to suggest so is laughable. |
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Post by avfo on Dec 2, 2018 0:55:24 GMT
In 2014 the CFC Community Trust coaches organised a tour of the Deva and put on a coaching session for a group of young Palestinian footballers including Adam Halabiyeh who as reported at the time on the CFC OWS 'had been shot in both legs by Israeli soldiers after leaving football training'. That was then and this is now? Are you hinting that we should somehow be affiliated to this? If so, grow up. Just pointing out that the club was previously happy to publish a statement that was overtly political. As for my growing up, part of that involved living in Israel for a few years. |
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Post by avfo on Dec 2, 2018 1:11:52 GMT
In 2014 the CFC Community Trust coaches organised a tour of the Deva and put on a coaching session for a group of young Palestinian footballers including Adam Halabiyeh who as reported at the time on the CFC OWS 'had been shot in both legs by Israeli soldiers after leaving football training'. That was then and this is now? As far as I can tell we hosted a group of young footballers, purely for football reasons. I wouldn't say that was overly political, whereas this leaflet campaign is solely political. Mind you, the very nature of the football club is socialist so there's some strand of politics involved. To answer one of the points made throughout this thread - is this campaign racist/anti-Semitic? No, and to suggest so is laughable. Disagree, mention of Adam Halabiyeh's shooting was intrinsically political. The club didn't have to draw attention to it but chose otherwise. |
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Post by hackett on Dec 2, 2018 2:01:46 GMT
In 2014 the CFC Community Trust coaches organised a tour of the Deva and put on a coaching session for a group of young Palestinian footballers including Adam Halabiyeh who as reported at the time on the CFC OWS 'had been shot in both legs by Israeli soldiers after leaving football training'. That was then and this is now? As far as I can tell we hosted a group of young footballers, purely for football reasons. I wouldn't say that was overly political, whereas this leaflet campaign is solely political. Mind you, the very nature of the football club is socialist so there's some strand of politics involved. To answer one of the points made throughout this thread - is this campaign racist/anti-Semitic? No, and to suggest so is laughable. Being fan owned does not make us socialist in any way shape or form, it's football. And the leaflet distributing outside the ground is anti-semetic, nobodys read up on the group involved can deny it. |
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Post by Lobster on Dec 2, 2018 8:19:33 GMT
Being opposed to the politics of Israel is not anti-Semitic in the same way that being opposed to the politics of Saudi Arabia is not anti-Muslim, or of the US is not anti-Christian.
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Post by Hannibal on Dec 2, 2018 8:30:33 GMT
Being opposed to the politics of Israel is not anti-Semitic in the same way that being opposed to the politics of Saudi Arabia is not anti-Muslim, or of the US is not anti-Christian. Calling Israel an apartheid state is! |
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Post by jimianto on Dec 2, 2018 8:31:01 GMT
As far as I can tell we hosted a group of young footballers, purely for football reasons. I wouldn't say that was overly political, whereas this leaflet campaign is solely political. Mind you, the very nature of the football club is socialist so there's some strand of politics involved. To answer one of the points made throughout this thread - is this campaign racist/anti-Semitic? No, and to suggest so is laughable. Disagree, mention of Adam Halabiyeh's shooting was intrinsically political. The club didn't have to draw attention to it but chose otherwise. Surely its mention was more about the courage of a young lad desperate to overcome his adversity to play football. Any mention of the facts in this context couldn’t necessarily be judged as political. I doubt the club had any intention of making it so. |
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