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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 10:07:12 GMT
As we are ourselves, there are several teams in the National League suffering a dramatic decline in attendances. The average league attendance as at January was 7% down which must be worrying for those running the league, and their sponsors.
Last night was the perfect example why. We were playing a sugar daddy team who can afford to buy up the best players at other clubs in the League, as can be seen by Hannah playing a bit part in their season. Despite that, they come and carry out a gameplan that is to ruin the game. To be fair to our lads they put the ball down and tried to play but without the likes of Hannah or any depth to the squad to replace players like Mahon, we were toothless in the final third. Whether the Jon McCarthy keep it nice boys ethos will work long term I don't know, as we were crying out for a midfield enforcer and a monster up front to compete, but I'd rather watch that every week that the utter turdfest that was Barrow.
Then we come on to the officials, specifically the referee and the linesman nearer the Harry Mac. They were abysmal. They got the first goal very, very wrong, and understandably got abuse from the crowd. They continued to get things wrong hence the abuse became constant. Then when the big decisions needed making - booking for the two foot tackle on Horwood near H block; the most blatant penalty you have ever seen - it was almost as though they took pleasure in denying us these decisions. This is a sign of the lack of quality they showed all night. We have seen this week after week unfortunately.
The above made for what was an absolutely horrific experience for home supporters, never mind the neutral or floating fan. Barrow will do this on the road all year, as will other clubs go to away grounds and try to stop games. Teams "game managing" (AKA ruining the flow of the game and frustrating the life out of everyone) their way to a result should be managed by these referees.
Me and my son are dyed in the wool Blues, but we walked out with 5 minutes to go last night bored and frustrated beyond belief. It is difficult to even think about spending best part of £30 for the York game knowing that they are basically going to do exactly the same as Barrow, only with Jon Parkin on £2k a week up front to play the pantomime villan. "Get behind the lads", "its our club" etc I know all about believe me, but that is a big chunk of our expendable income to throw away watching something that ultimately will leave me wanting to run on the pitch a la the Strangler as last night did.
I don't know what can be done to halt the shockingly inept officials, but unless the National League board introduces a financial fair play system in line with the Football League, the will always remain a poor, poor relation. Let well run clubs field the best team they can within their means, and then find out who is the most competitive. At the minute it is like some sort of de-regulated F1. No wander the crowds seem to be in decline.
Rant over. Feel a bit better already!
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Post by Al on Mar 29, 2017 10:30:13 GMT
It needs strong leadership and a National League Committee who have the best interests of the competition at heart. I fear that FFP will never be introduced at our level in my lifetime (and I'm only 35) because the Committee won't make the decision for themselves. It falls on each individual club to vote it in. Unless a majority vote it in, then it will never come about. Can you see the likes of FGR, Eastleigh, Barrow, Boreham Wood etc etc voting that in? They would be the one's who would suffer the most from it. There's absolutely no benefit in it for them.
So where do we go/how do we progress from here without the enforced introduction of FFP to bring the league in line with the Football League?
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Post by Genghis Khan on Mar 29, 2017 11:58:18 GMT
One wonders how the footbal league feel about this. There is the risk of debt ridden clubs being promoted and failing to complete their fixtures as our own history of sugar dadies shows.Also once in the league they have to submit to the FFP rules which I would think would be near impossible for a club such as Boreham Wood. There's also the hit on attendances of the other clubs from visiting support of 1 man and his dog. I'm all for the dream of moving up through non-league to league but not as a rich man's toy - there has to be some club sustaining fanbase.
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Post by Al on Mar 29, 2017 12:05:23 GMT
One wonders how the footbal league feel about this. There is the risk of debt ridden clubs being promoted and failing to complete their fixtures as our own history of sugar dadies shows.Also once in the league they have to submit to the FFP rules which I would think would be near impossible for a club such as Boreham Wood. There's also the hit on attendances of the other clubs from visiting support of 1 man and his dog. I'm all for the dream of moving up through non-league to league but not as a rich man's toy - there has to be some club sustaining fanbase. Forest Green are already planning for this eventuality in the future with the proposed stadium move and adjoining Green Energy Business Park. If the Park takes off it would more than sustain the football club in the football league despite their lack of crowds.
But yeah, the likes of Boreham Wood, Eastleigh, Barrow etc. Barrow don't even have a ground that (so far) meets the requirements for a football league member. For all Casson's cash he has no idea on how to build a football club other than chucking money at the playing side.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 12:47:00 GMT
As we are ourselves, there are several teams in the National League suffering a dramatic decline in attendances. The average league attendance as at January was 7% down which must be worrying for those running the league, and their sponsors. Last night was the perfect example why. We were playing a sugar daddy team who can afford to buy up the best players at other clubs in the League, as can be seen by Hannah playing a bit part in their season. Despite that, they come and carry out a gameplan that is to ruin the game. To be fair to our lads they put the ball down and tried to play but without the likes of Hannah or any depth to the squad to replace players like Mahon, we were toothless in the final third. Whether the Jon McCarthy keep it nice boys ethos will work long term I don't know, as we were crying out for a midfield enforcer and a monster up front to compete, but I'd rather watch that every week that the utter turdfest that was Barrow. Then we come on to the officials, specifically the referee and the linesman nearer the Harry Mac. They were abysmal. They got the first goal very, very wrong, and understandably got abuse from the crowd. They continued to get things wrong hence the abuse became constant. Then when the big decisions needed making - booking for the two foot tackle on Horwood near H block; the most blatant penalty you have ever seen - it was almost as though they took pleasure in denying us these decisions. This is a sign of the lack of quality they showed all night. We have seen this week after week unfortunately. The above made for what was an absolutely horrific experience for home supporters, never mind the neutral or floating fan. Barrow will do this on the road all year, as will other clubs go to away grounds and try to stop games. Teams "game managing" (AKA ruining the flow of the game and frustrating the life out of everyone) their way to a result should be managed by these referees. Me and my son are dyed in the wool Blues, but we walked out with 5 minutes to go last night bored and frustrated beyond belief. It is difficult to even think about spending best part of £30 for the York game knowing that they are basically going to do exactly the same as Barrow, only with Jon Parkin on £2k a week up front to play the pantomime villan. "Get behind the lads", "its our club" etc I know all about believe me, but that is a big chunk of our expendable income to throw away watching something that ultimately will leave me wanting to run on the pitch a la the Strangler as last night did. I don't know what can be done to halt the shockingly inept officials, but unless the National League board introduces a financial fair play system in line with the Football League, the will always remain a poor, poor relation. Let well run clubs field the best team they can within their means, and then find out who is the most competitive. At the minute it is like some sort of de-regulated F1. No wander the crowds seem to be in decline. Rant over. Feel a bit better already! you have just summed up exactly what I was thinking, could do with a ffp petition being started |
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Post by iandychesterfc on Mar 29, 2017 12:49:28 GMT
It would also see an end to these nameless southern clubs populating the top division in non-league football, whilst well-supported historic names languish in the Northern section.
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Post by eyeswideopen on Mar 29, 2017 13:37:27 GMT
As we are ourselves, there are several teams in the National League suffering a dramatic decline in attendances. The average league attendance as at January was 7% down which must be worrying for those running the league, and their sponsors. Last night was the perfect example why. We were playing a sugar daddy team who can afford to buy up the best players at other clubs in the League, as can be seen by Hannah playing a bit part in their season. Despite that, they come and carry out a gameplan that is to ruin the game. To be fair to our lads they put the ball down and tried to play but without the likes of Hannah or any depth to the squad to replace players like Mahon, we were toothless in the final third. Whether the Jon McCarthy keep it nice boys ethos will work long term I don't know, as we were crying out for a midfield enforcer and a monster up front to compete, but I'd rather watch that every week that the utter turdfest that was Barrow. Then we come on to the officials, specifically the referee and the linesman nearer the Harry Mac. They were abysmal. They got the first goal very, very wrong, and understandably got abuse from the crowd. They continued to get things wrong hence the abuse became constant. Then when the big decisions needed making - booking for the two foot tackle on Horwood near H block; the most blatant penalty you have ever seen - it was almost as though they took pleasure in denying us these decisions. This is a sign of the lack of quality they showed all night. We have seen this week after week unfortunately. The above made for what was an absolutely horrific experience for home supporters, never mind the neutral or floating fan. Barrow will do this on the road all year, as will other clubs go to away grounds and try to stop games. Teams "game managing" (AKA ruining the flow of the game and frustrating the life out of everyone) their way to a result should be managed by these referees. Me and my son are dyed in the wool Blues, but we walked out with 5 minutes to go last night bored and frustrated beyond belief. It is difficult to even think about spending best part of £30 for the York game knowing that they are basically going to do exactly the same as Barrow, only with Jon Parkin on £2k a week up front to play the pantomime villan. "Get behind the lads", "its our club" etc I know all about believe me, but that is a big chunk of our expendable income to throw away watching something that ultimately will leave me wanting to run on the pitch a la the Strangler as last night did. I don't know what can be done to halt the shockingly inept officials, but unless the National League board introduces a financial fair play system in line with the Football League, the will always remain a poor, poor relation. Let well run clubs field the best team they can within their means, and then find out who is the most competitive. At the minute it is like some sort of de-regulated F1. No wander the crowds seem to be in decline. Rant over. Feel a bit better already! Almost completely agree Mark, but I am a little torn over this. We have to remember that we were once a sugar daddy rich club with a complete bully for a manager who employed any tactic to get us promoted. None of us then were screaming for FFP, indeed none of us were screaming for SV to depart until the realization that the wheels had come off spectacularly. I am not even sure how FFP would work, do you base it on attendance only? Bums on seats, the more you get the more you can spend? In that case then a club like Stockport given their catchment potential would have much more to spend than someone like Kendal. Is it fair to spend more because you have more fans. Do you base it on other income streams, shirt sales ( see above) sponsorship ( see Dale Vince) or what? I really don't have the answer, does anybody? I think the reason the FA and NL have probably turned a "blind eye" to FFP is because its a complete mindfield to bring in. What do the likes of Lincoln and Sutton do with all that FA cup cash this season, " hang on lads you cant spend all that in one go, on creating a team capable of winning everything FFP and all that"
For people moaning about the lack of quality on the pitch, have a look at the empty seats in the ground next time or the empty spaces behind the HM.Its a vicious circle, the more fans we get in, the better quality of player we can attract- up to a point. Even against the bigger teams in the division, your Tranmeres, and the goats, I reckon even if we were both battling it out at the top of the league at the time, we would pull in no more than 3-3.5k Chester fans tops. The less people we get, ....and..and.and.
Fully respect your frustrations though, its never easy being a supporter of a small team, let alone a Chester team.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Mar 29, 2017 15:03:56 GMT
As we are ourselves, there are several teams in the National League suffering a dramatic decline in attendances. The average league attendance as at January was 7% down which must be worrying for those running the league, and their sponsors. Last night was the perfect example why. We were playing a sugar daddy team who can afford to buy up the best players at other clubs in the League, as can be seen by Hannah playing a bit part in their season. Despite that, they come and carry out a gameplan that is to ruin the game. To be fair to our lads they put the ball down and tried to play but without the likes of Hannah or any depth to the squad to replace players like Mahon, we were toothless in the final third. Whether the Jon McCarthy keep it nice boys ethos will work long term I don't know, as we were crying out for a midfield enforcer and a monster up front to compete, but I'd rather watch that every week that the utter turdfest that was Barrow. Then we come on to the officials, specifically the referee and the linesman nearer the Harry Mac. They were abysmal. They got the first goal very, very wrong, and understandably got abuse from the crowd. They continued to get things wrong hence the abuse became constant. Then when the big decisions needed making - booking for the two foot tackle on Horwood near H block; the most blatant penalty you have ever seen - it was almost as though they took pleasure in denying us these decisions. This is a sign of the lack of quality they showed all night. We have seen this week after week unfortunately. The above made for what was an absolutely horrific experience for home supporters, never mind the neutral or floating fan. Barrow will do this on the road all year, as will other clubs go to away grounds and try to stop games. Teams "game managing" (AKA ruining the flow of the game and frustrating the life out of everyone) their way to a result should be managed by these referees. Me and my son are dyed in the wool Blues, but we walked out with 5 minutes to go last night bored and frustrated beyond belief. It is difficult to even think about spending best part of £30 for the York game knowing that they are basically going to do exactly the same as Barrow, only with Jon Parkin on £2k a week up front to play the pantomime villan. "Get behind the lads", "its our club" etc I know all about believe me, but that is a big chunk of our expendable income to throw away watching something that ultimately will leave me wanting to run on the pitch a la the Strangler as last night did. I don't know what can be done to halt the shockingly inept officials, but unless the National League board introduces a financial fair play system in line with the Football League, the will always remain a poor, poor relation. Let well run clubs field the best team they can within their means, and then find out who is the most competitive. At the minute it is like some sort of de-regulated F1. No wander the crowds seem to be in decline. Rant over. Feel a bit better already! To an extent I agree with you. |
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Post by Blacon Rolex on Mar 29, 2017 15:39:24 GMT
As we are ourselves, there are several teams in the National League suffering a dramatic decline in attendances. The average league attendance as at January was 7% down which must be worrying for those running the league, and their sponsors. Last night was the perfect example why. We were playing a sugar daddy team who can afford to buy up the best players at other clubs in the League, as can be seen by Hannah playing a bit part in their season. Despite that, they come and carry out a gameplan that is to ruin the game. To be fair to our lads they put the ball down and tried to play but without the likes of Hannah or any depth to the squad to replace players like Mahon, we were toothless in the final third. Whether the Jon McCarthy keep it nice boys ethos will work long term I don't know, as we were crying out for a midfield enforcer and a monster up front to compete, but I'd rather watch that every week that the utter turdfest that was Barrow. Then we come on to the officials, specifically the referee and the linesman nearer the Harry Mac. They were abysmal. They got the first goal very, very wrong, and understandably got abuse from the crowd. They continued to get things wrong hence the abuse became constant. Then when the big decisions needed making - booking for the two foot tackle on Horwood near H block; the most blatant penalty you have ever seen - it was almost as though they took pleasure in denying us these decisions. This is a sign of the lack of quality they showed all night. We have seen this week after week unfortunately. The above made for what was an absolutely horrific experience for home supporters, never mind the neutral or floating fan. Barrow will do this on the road all year, as will other clubs go to away grounds and try to stop games. Teams "game managing" (AKA ruining the flow of the game and frustrating the life out of everyone) their way to a result should be managed by these referees. Me and my son are dyed in the wool Blues, but we walked out with 5 minutes to go last night bored and frustrated beyond belief. It is difficult to even think about spending best part of £30 for the York game knowing that they are basically going to do exactly the same as Barrow, only with Jon Parkin on £2k a week up front to play the pantomime villan. "Get behind the lads", "its our club" etc I know all about believe me, but that is a big chunk of our expendable income to throw away watching something that ultimately will leave me wanting to run on the pitch a la the Strangler as last night did. I don't know what can be done to halt the shockingly inept officials, but unless the National League board introduces a financial fair play system in line with the Football League, the will always remain a poor, poor relation. Let well run clubs field the best team they can within their means, and then find out who is the most competitive. At the minute it is like some sort of de-regulated F1. No wander the crowds seem to be in decline. Rant over. Feel a bit better already! Almost completely agree Mark, but I am a little torn over this. We have to remember that we were once a sugar daddy rich club with a complete bully for a manager who employed any tactic to get us promoted. None of us then were screaming for FFP, indeed none of us were screaming for SV to depart until the realization that the wheels had come off spectacularly. I am not even sure how FFP would work, do you base it on attendance only? Bums on seats, the more you get the more you can spend? In that case then a club like Stockport given their catchment potential would have much more to spend than someone like Kendal. Is it fair to spend more because you have more fans. Do you base it on other income streams, shirt sales ( see above) sponsorship ( see Dale Vince) or what? I really don't have the answer, does anybody? I think the reason the FA and NL have probably turned a "blind eye" to FFP is because its a complete mindfield to bring in. What do the likes of Lincoln and Sutton do with all that FA cup cash this season, " hang on lads you cant spend all that in one go, on creating a team capable of winning everything FFP and all that"
For people moaning about the lack of quality on the pitch, have a look at the empty seats in the ground next time or the empty spaces behind the HM.Its a vicious circle, the more fans we get in, the better quality of player we can attract- up to a point. Even against the bigger teams in the division, your Tranmeres, and the goats, I reckon even if we were both battling it out at the top of the league at the time, we would pull in no more than 3-3.5k Chester fans tops. The less people we get, ....and..and.and.
Fully respect your frustrations though, its never easy being a supporter of a small team, let alone a Chester team.
Agree with everything you say, and I'd also add the fairest thing would be a salary cap on squads and a limit on the Number of players each side had. That way those that had money could still buy better players, they just wouldn't have 8 forwards in the squad etc... |
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Post by Lobster on Mar 29, 2017 17:52:00 GMT
Great post as usual from NWAS.
To be honest, I hate this division. It has neither the quality or reputation of the leagues above it, nor the friendliness or community spirit of those below it. I'm not saying I want us to get relegated or anything, but it's got to be the least enjoyable league to be in!
I've been going to a fair few West Cheshire League games recently and I'm finding I really enjoy it. The football can be terrible, but they're just honest lads and clubs run by proper football people who are delighted to see an unfamiliar face. I'll never sack off the Blues or anything, but it's just that my time and finances situation seem to make the West Cheshire League a doable football fix for me at the moment.
As well as FFP, I think three up, three down would really help this league. There's a bottleneck of clubs trying to get out and I'm sure more than two of them could complete in L2. There's no argument for having only two up, two down I don't think. When was the last time a club promoted from the Conference went straight back down? I can't remember it ever happening, in fact.
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Post by Harry Lime on Mar 29, 2017 18:30:19 GMT
Agree with NWAS and Lobster.
This league is the worst to get stuck in. Lack of financial fair play, combined with 1 up and another through the play offs causes a real problem. If you add in the fact that the teams are well organised enough to stop other teams playing, without the ability with the ball to open teams up, it's even worse. It's the worst of both worlds.
I actually disliked this league even when we were winning it. There always seems to be a number of managers who think that cheating and killing the game, makes them Jose Mourinho or Pep Guardiola. Barrow last night was a typical example of that. I don't remember that kind of team much in League 2. Lobster is right about the North or Evostik in that teams came, played hard, didn't roll around or time waste to any extent. It was much more enjoyable. Would it seem like that in the long term though?
I've bumped the National League survey thread. It's not much but it gives us a chance to voice our views. If we all mention FFP in the appropriate box it might at least get some recognition and highlight the problem.
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Post by eyeswideopen on Mar 30, 2017 7:20:16 GMT
Great post as usual from NWAS. To be honest, I hate this division. It has neither the quality or reputation of the leagues above it, nor the friendliness or community spirit of those below it. I'm not saying I want us to get relegated or anything, but it's got to be the least enjoyable league to be in! I've been going to a fair few West Cheshire League games recently and I'm finding I really enjoy it. The football can be terrible, but they're just honest lads and clubs run by proper football people who are delighted to see an unfamiliar face. I'll never sack off the Blues or anything, but it's just that my time and finances situation seem to make the West Cheshire League a doable football fix for me at the moment. As well as FFP, I think three up, three down would really help this league. There's a bottleneck of clubs trying to get out and I'm sure more than two of them could complete in L2. There's no argument for having only two up, two down I don't think. When was the last time a club promoted from the Conference went straight back down? I can't remember it ever happening, in fact. I don't remember anyone coming straight back down, but looking at the ten teams who have gone up in the last 5 years, only Fleetwood and Bristol Rovers have pushed on again, the rest bar Mansfield are in the lower half of the table, with Newport & Cheltenham two of the bottom three, York have since been relegated back down to our division. There are mixed results in that lot, but with two up and only one back down, it does seem that teams can hold their own in that division. Bearing in mind the money that has been pumped into Fleetwood and at that level Bristol Rovers are a big fish in a small pond.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 11:34:44 GMT
As we are ourselves, there are several teams in the National League suffering a dramatic decline in attendances. The average league attendance as at January was 7% down which must be worrying for those running the league, and their sponsors. Last night was the perfect example why. We were playing a sugar daddy team who can afford to buy up the best players at other clubs in the League, as can be seen by Hannah playing a bit part in their season. Despite that, they come and carry out a gameplan that is to ruin the game. To be fair to our lads they put the ball down and tried to play but without the likes of Hannah or any depth to the squad to replace players like Mahon, we were toothless in the final third. Whether the Jon McCarthy keep it nice boys ethos will work long term I don't know, as we were crying out for a midfield enforcer and a monster up front to compete, but I'd rather watch that every week that the utter turdfest that was Barrow. Then we come on to the officials, specifically the referee and the linesman nearer the Harry Mac. They were abysmal. They got the first goal very, very wrong, and understandably got abuse from the crowd. They continued to get things wrong hence the abuse became constant. Then when the big decisions needed making - booking for the two foot tackle on Horwood near H block; the most blatant penalty you have ever seen - it was almost as though they took pleasure in denying us these decisions. This is a sign of the lack of quality they showed all night. We have seen this week after week unfortunately. The above made for what was an absolutely horrific experience for home supporters, never mind the neutral or floating fan. Barrow will do this on the road all year, as will other clubs go to away grounds and try to stop games. Teams "game managing" (AKA ruining the flow of the game and frustrating the life out of everyone) their way to a result should be managed by these referees. Me and my son are dyed in the wool Blues, but we walked out with 5 minutes to go last night bored and frustrated beyond belief. It is difficult to even think about spending best part of £30 for the York game knowing that they are basically going to do exactly the same as Barrow, only with Jon Parkin on £2k a week up front to play the pantomime villan. "Get behind the lads", "its our club" etc I know all about believe me, but that is a big chunk of our expendable income to throw away watching something that ultimately will leave me wanting to run on the pitch a la the Strangler as last night did. I don't know what can be done to halt the shockingly inept officials, but unless the National League board introduces a financial fair play system in line with the Football League, the will always remain a poor, poor relation. Let well run clubs field the best team they can within their means, and then find out who is the most competitive. At the minute it is like some sort of de-regulated F1. No wander the crowds seem to be in decline. Rant over. Feel a bit better already! Almost completely agree Mark, but I am a little torn over this. We have to remember that we were once a sugar daddy rich club with a complete bully for a manager who employed any tactic to get us promoted. None of us then were screaming for FFP, indeed none of us were screaming for SV to depart until the realization that the wheels had come off spectacularly. I am not even sure how FFP would work, do you base it on attendance only? Bums on seats, the more you get the more you can spend? In that case then a club like Stockport given their catchment potential would have much more to spend than someone like Kendal. Is it fair to spend more because you have more fans. Do you base it on other income streams, shirt sales ( see above) sponsorship ( see Dale Vince) or what? I really don't have the answer, does anybody? I think the reason the FA and NL have probably turned a "blind eye" to FFP is because its a complete mindfield to bring in. What do the likes of Lincoln and Sutton do with all that FA cup cash this season, " hang on lads you cant spend all that in one go, on creating a team capable of winning everything FFP and all that"
For people moaning about the lack of quality on the pitch, have a look at the empty seats in the ground next time or the empty spaces behind the HM.Its a vicious circle, the more fans we get in, the better quality of player we can attract- up to a point. Even against the bigger teams in the division, your Tranmeres, and the goats, I reckon even if we were both battling it out at the top of the league at the time, we would pull in no more than 3-3.5k Chester fans tops. The less people we get, ....and..and.and.
Fully respect your frustrations though, its never easy being a supporter of a small team, let alone a Chester team.
FFP is basically linked to your income. So yes those with the best crowds, commercial departments and player development programmes will benefit, but surely that is right? Sutton United this season would be allowed to spend their income from the Cup run to fund a run at promotion next season if they so required. Therefore we would be in a position to produce a more competitive team, in a League without ultra inflated wages. The biggest spenders in our league would be Lincoln and Tranmere, and deservedly so. It would mean that Wrexham had a bigger pot than us. But it would also mean that Fylde, Barrow et al would have to build a fan base and/or produce players in order to progress, instead of coming up and blowing a kings ransom on promotion, only to end up broke and out of business when the owner gets bored or skint. As for whether it will happen, turkeys will never vote for Christmas mate so the sugar daddy clubs would vote against it, and their fans would be up in arms against it, but there would be support from a lot of the more middling NL clubs, and from all the fan owned ones. For the good of the game we have got to stop clubs becoming saddled with Directors Loans they can't afford to service, debts that will eventually cripple them. And for the good of the League we have to ensure that it is more competitive and entertaining to watch, and hopefully gate prices will reduce with wages. Thus increasing the gates. And for the record, Paul Cox is an absolute boil on the arse of the beautiful game. All that money wasted on that pile of utter horse shit. |
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Post by ted the count on Mar 30, 2017 13:18:26 GMT
SPOT ON Lobster
To be honest, I hate this division. It has neither the quality or reputation of the leagues above it, nor the friendliness or community spirit of those below it. I'm not saying I want us to get relegated or anything, but it's got to be the least enjoyable league to be in!
Weel said.
Crazy thing is that in those Evo Stik day's wasnt the conference the aim/promised land/nirvana? Dont get me wrong i and so many are made up that we made it and with all of the blood,sweat and tear's it's taken from all involved.....but jeeeeeeesus h christ it is a HORRIBLE league to be in.
Funny how perspective's change eh?...then again i suppose it isnt,it's actually pretty normal.
Brilliant post bu NWAS but i really dont know owt about FFP so cant add much.
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Post by Terry From The Terrace on Mar 30, 2017 13:34:30 GMT
Almost completely agree Mark, but I am a little torn over this. We have to remember that we were once a sugar daddy rich club with a complete bully for a manager who employed any tactic to get us promoted. None of us then were screaming for FFP, indeed none of us were screaming for SV to depart until the realization that the wheels had come off spectacularly. I am not even sure how FFP would work, do you base it on attendance only? Bums on seats, the more you get the more you can spend? In that case then a club like Stockport given their catchment potential would have much more to spend than someone like Kendal. Is it fair to spend more because you have more fans. Do you base it on other income streams, shirt sales ( see above) sponsorship ( see Dale Vince) or what? I really don't have the answer, does anybody? I think the reason the FA and NL have probably turned a "blind eye" to FFP is because its a complete mindfield to bring in. What do the likes of Lincoln and Sutton do with all that FA cup cash this season, " hang on lads you cant spend all that in one go, on creating a team capable of winning everything FFP and all that"
For people moaning about the lack of quality on the pitch, have a look at the empty seats in the ground next time or the empty spaces behind the HM.Its a vicious circle, the more fans we get in, the better quality of player we can attract- up to a point. Even against the bigger teams in the division, your Tranmeres, and the goats, I reckon even if we were both battling it out at the top of the league at the time, we would pull in no more than 3-3.5k Chester fans tops. The less people we get, ....and..and.and.
Fully respect your frustrations though, its never easy being a supporter of a small team, let alone a Chester team.
FFP is basically linked to your income. So yes those with the best crowds, commercial departments and player development programmes will benefit, but surely that is right? Sutton United this season would be allowed to spend their income from the Cup run to fund a run at promotion next season if they so required. Therefore we would be in a position to produce a more competitive team, in a League without ultra inflated wages. The biggest spenders in our league would be Lincoln and Tranmere, and deservedly so. It would mean that Wrexham had a bigger pot than us. But it would also mean that Fylde, Barrow et al would have to build a fan base and/or produce players in order to progress, instead of coming up and blowing a kings ransom on promotion, only to end up broke and out of business when the owner gets bored or skint. As for whether it will happen, turkeys will never vote for Christmas mate so the sugar daddy clubs would vote against it, and their fans would be up in arms against it, but there would be support from a lot of the more middling NL clubs, and from all the fan owned ones. For the good of the game we have got to stop clubs becoming saddled with Directors Loans they can't afford to service, debts that will eventually cripple them. And for the good of the League we have to ensure that it is more competitive and entertaining to watch, and hopefully gate prices will reduce with wages. Thus increasing the gates. And for the record, Paul Cox is an absolute boil on the arse of the beautiful game. All that money wasted on that pile of utter horse shit. If it's based on income, what's to stop all these sugar daddy's getting round the rules by ploughing money In through stadium naming, sponsorship and advertising ? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 14:55:59 GMT
There isn't unfortunately, but at least it offers some form of scrutiny and an attempt to level the playing field. Otherwise the cycle of boom and bust will continue for clubs.
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Post by Harry Lime on Mar 31, 2017 11:04:09 GMT
One simple way to help with FFP would be to ensure that all monies pumped into clubs are investment gifts, rather than loans. That way, at least, the more dubious owners may be less inclined to pump money in.
The Forest Green owner would simply sponsor the ground, stand, corner flag etc to get round the new rules. It may out some others off if they thought they'd get nothing back.
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Post by sqzl on Mar 31, 2017 11:18:33 GMT
It would also see an end to these nameless southern clubs populating the top division in non-league football, whilst well-supported historic names languish in the Northern section. At the same time football isn't based on how much history or supporters your club has. Teams who get promoted deserve to be in this division, the main problem is clubs spending 10x their income and getting away with it. |
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