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Post by sirfred on Apr 5, 2017 19:02:04 GMT
Serious question though - under the Fans ownership could it be possible for a genuine fan to take over the Club ? Let's say I won 20 million this weekend and I wanted tof invest say 6 million in the club would it be possible because if I or anyone else wanted to invest serious money then I would want ownership or at least 50% a seat in the Directors box a meal and the general fineries - are we saying as a Club we won't except any outside investment unless it's a gift ?
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Post by Firestick Frank on Apr 5, 2017 19:42:37 GMT
I don't know about anybody else but I would allow you a maximum 49% stake. Suspect most people would stop at 1%.
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Post by Joe Bloggs on Apr 5, 2017 19:59:53 GMT
I'd flog you my share for a start
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Post by Stadium way on Apr 5, 2017 20:09:56 GMT
I would love you to.the fan owned thing isnt for me.I fear for us without some serious wonga ,or a real go at promotion.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Apr 5, 2017 20:21:41 GMT
Serious question though - under the Fans ownership could it be possible for a genuine fan to take over the Club ? Let's say I won 20 million this weekend and I wanted tof invest say 6 million in the club would it be possible because if I or anyone else wanted to invest serious money then I would want ownership or at least 50% a seat in the Directors box a meal and the general fineries - are we saying as a Club we won't except any outside investment unless it's a gift ? Don't turn into SV 👆.
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Apr 5, 2017 20:23:47 GMT
The fans own thing may, not be for you, but it is equally preferable, to having no club or have you forgotten the struggles, we went through? And yes SirFred you can invest, but you cant own it. And why would you want to? Except to satisfy your own personally vanity and ego?
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Post by Blue Murder on Apr 5, 2017 20:39:31 GMT
The fans own thing may, not be for you, but it is equally preferable, to having no club or have you forgotten the struggles, we went through? And yes SirFred you can invest, but you cant own it. And why would you want to? Except to satisfy your own personally vanity and ego?
Couldn't agree more. It is very often the case that “investors” and not lottery normally winnners , usually want a return for their wonga, and if not want it back. Surely easy and unsustainable fixes are a thing of the past at Chester, and it certainly didn’t end well in our previous incarnation. Whilst a little dull, and some may equate to a lack of ambition, steady and sustainable growth will be the key to long term success. Although, I do accept we need to have a more coherent and effective strategy in how this will be achieved.
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Post by The One and Only on Apr 5, 2017 20:52:44 GMT
I wouldn't let YOU anywhere near the club no matter how much money you might hypertheticly win.
You're a clueless moron
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Post by Stadium way on Apr 5, 2017 20:58:32 GMT
As if i have forgotten how it ended up with S.V , doesnt mean im into fan owned ideals at Chester.I still follow and always will go home and away watching them.keeping enough fans onboard whilst we just tick over or flirt with relegation is the problem..Chester and diehard fans don't really fit in the same sentence do they.please dont refer to me as a Vaughan lover, im 51 i just get on with watching chester,whichever spurious ownership it may be at any given time.
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Post by TheTheremin on Apr 5, 2017 21:02:53 GMT
I would love you to.the fan owned thing isnt for me.I fear for us without some serious wonga ,or a real go at promotion. As I said before on here, relegation spots in every division every season are filled with privately owned clubs. Private ownership is no silver bullet
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Post by TheTheremin on Apr 5, 2017 21:06:17 GMT
As if i have forgotten how it ended up with S.V , doesnt mean im into fan owned ideals at Chester.I still follow and always will go home and away watching them.keeping enough fans onboard whilst we just tick over or flirt with relegation is the problem..Chester and diehard fans don't really fit in the same sentence do they.please dont refer to me as a Vaughan lover, im 51 i just get on with watching chester,whichever spurious ownership it may be at any given time. Well, quite a few of us oldies and our older relatives should remember season after season of turgid football before things got better in 74/75. It's what being a lower division football fan is all about. You should know that.
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Post by Blue Murder on Apr 5, 2017 21:09:16 GMT
As if i have forgotten how it ended up with S.V , doesnt mean im into fan owned ideals at Chester.I still follow and always will go home and away watching them.keeping enough fans onboard whilst we just tick over or flirt with relegation is the problem..Chester and diehard fans don't really fit in the same sentence do they.please dont refer to me as a Vaughan lover, im 51 i just get on with watching chester,whichever spurious ownership it may be at any given time. Unfortunately it is a fact that "spurious" ownership so very nearly deprived you and diehard fans of following Chester at all, had it not been for the fan owned ideals you clearly don't buy into.
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Post by Stadium way. on Apr 5, 2017 21:15:55 GMT
I just dont see fan owned working much longer at our particular club, thats not to say i love big shot chairmen either..The chester situation is tricky..Apathy/ fans trickling away/very few incentives/shocking home record this year..etc...so if a true fans millions could address all that, im happy to at least listen...thats all im saying.
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Post by Genghis Khan on Apr 5, 2017 21:42:46 GMT
No thanks - I don't want a chairman who has no patience and who would burn money by changing managers and sacking players every other week.
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Post by Anders on Apr 5, 2017 21:58:01 GMT
Rather than trying to satisfy my own ego I think I'd just donate to the club instead, myself. Maybe try and have some input on how it would be used.
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Post by norwegianblue on Apr 5, 2017 21:59:57 GMT
Good subject for a thread. I've mixed feelings about this, yes we need a cash injection but I'm saying no to single ownership. There has been a lot of hard work put in by a lot of volunteers to get where we are. Some are still with the club and some have moved on. Some of those volunteers were in a position to invest money and it was felt that they were trying to manipulate the clubs situation and their position to gain control. I.e. A suggested hidden agenda which included appointment of a manager who was an "old friend". This created a bad feeling amongst the membership which also resulted in the departure of some hard working volunteer members of the youth coaching staff.
By all means donate your cash when renewing your CFU membership. If you want a seat on the board, you are welcome to stand for election. Personally, I would invest my millions as recommended by a financial advisor and make annual donations to the club as required to ensure that the club was never in danger off the field. Annual donations of ÂŁ1M taken from interest earned on my investments would be more beneficial than a lump sum of ÂŁ6M.
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Post by TheTheremin on Apr 5, 2017 22:03:46 GMT
Rather than trying to satisfy my own ego I think I'd just donate to the club instead, myself. Maybe try and have some input on how it would be used. I'd do the same. A one-off big donation and leave it up to the members how it got spent. I'd make a couple of preferences public about how it was spent, like focusing on community development, sustainability, and the academy but ultimately the members would decide themselves. I'd have no interest in owning the club
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Post by Blockhead on Apr 6, 2017 2:42:25 GMT
It'd have to go down to a vote. And I hope in such a case a supermajority, rather than just a majority would be required.
We've been down the road of private owners, and look what happened.
Even if somebody won the lottery (improbable), that funding is only finite.
Fan ownership is the only way to go, not only for the sustainability of this football club, but football in general.
Just watch the number of clubs that go bust in the next 20-30 years unless the authorities take action.
This logic isn't hard, really. Come on.
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Post by Blockhead on Apr 6, 2017 2:55:52 GMT
Serious question though - under the Fans ownership could it be possible for a genuine fan to take over the Club ? Let's say I won 20 million this weekend and I wanted tof invest say 6 million in the club would it be possible because if I or anyone else wanted to invest serious money then I would want ownership or at least 50% a seat in the Directors box a meal and the general fineries - are we saying as a Club we won't except any outside investment unless it's a gift ? If you were a real fan, you wouldn't require any percentage of ownership in return for your investment, you'd surely respect DEMOCRATIC decisions from the fanbase? Although someone might 'own' a football club, it doesn't mean they have the best interests/ethos of the club at heart.
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Post by Al on Apr 6, 2017 6:25:05 GMT
Fan ownership is the only way forward for this football club.
Have we made the most out of that status in the area in the past? I think our chairman would admit that things did slip in the past but that they are all working as hard as possible to make that right. What the board and our club needs is more man/woman power as in board members and volunteers to help get see a lot of what they are working on come good.
I truly believe in our fan owned model, anyone who was there at the Guildhall 7 years ago can remember the hope we had when we left that night. What we need is to try and find a way to rejuvenate our fans to get that passion back.
But what we must do first and foremost is talk to our supporters and listen to their feedback. What I want is for the CFU Membership Survey to be released to all supporters and ask for their feedback. That way we can get a real sense for how people want to see the club move forward off the field and develop our strategy around that feedback.
We need to listen to our supporters and actively engage with them using every means possible.
And no, there wouldn't be a question about blowing every spare penny we have on a marquee signing Fred.
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Post by Arrogant Blue on Apr 6, 2017 7:06:08 GMT
I started supporting this club during the Gutterat era, followed by the Smith era and then Vaughan so it's fan ownership all the way for me. I care for this club more now than I did previously because it's the fans' club now.
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Post by Hannibal on Apr 6, 2017 7:21:58 GMT
I wouldn't let YOU anywhere near the club no matter how much money you might hypertheticly win. You're a clueless moron No need for that . He's entitled to ask any question he likes without the personal insults.
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Post by Hannibal on Apr 6, 2017 7:26:31 GMT
As if i have forgotten how it ended up with S.V , doesnt mean im into fan owned ideals at Chester.I still follow and always will go home and away watching them.keeping enough fans onboard whilst we just tick over or flirt with relegation is the problem..Chester and diehard fans don't really fit in the same sentence do they.please dont refer to me as a Vaughan lover, im 51 i just get on with watching chester,whichever spurious ownership it may be at any given time. Unfortunately it is a fact that "spurious" ownership so very nearly deprived you and diehard fans of following Chester at all, had it not been for the fan owned ideals you clearly don't buy into. Quite right ... my first 3 seasons of following the Blues 1960-62 resulted in bottom spot in the old division 4 each season and because of the Old Pals Act we were re-elected each season. The good times eventually came when we sold off some real estate and bought some decent players.
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Apr 6, 2017 8:16:48 GMT
This generous benefactor issue has been raised, time and time, again. They don't exist and should be filed away with the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy. Chairman usually get involved in football clubs to make money, where there is a ground to sell and re-develop for a profit. (see Barnes and Gutterman)) or in our case to hide drug money.(Vaughan). Then you have the ego manic-incompetents. (Smith). Fans ownership is equally preferable to any of the above. Some people must have very short memories. The only chairman, who were decent were Ray Croft and Reg Rowlands and under him we had as many bad seasons, as good. Fortunately as a fans owned club we don't have anything to sell or develop, as the ground is leased. This is the major reason, we were able to get back, to where we are so quickly .We are no different to Torquay, Aldershot, Macclesfield, Wrexham etc, in that unless financial fair play rules are introduced, all these and other ex-football league clubs, will struggle to get back into the football league. And money doesn't always buy success, ask York City if they would like to swap league positions with us? The way forward is to develop our own academy players(Hughes etc) and to use the profit, to bridge the gap to the play offs. (maybe with a little more firepower, we wouldn't have been that far off, this season?) Sign on and develop players from the lower leagues (Astles, Lynch), as well as signing academy players and developing them. (Alabi, Dawson). This maybe too slow a progression for some supporters to handle, but it is sustainable and doesn't put the future of the club, at risk for future generation.
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Post by Buckley Blue on Apr 6, 2017 8:45:41 GMT
Some very good points on here but I'm afraid at our level external investment is only forthcoming if they can get something back and we've got bugger all which is probably a blessing in disguise after what we've been through since the days of Judas barnes. The only problem with fan ownership is we'll probably be stuck in this godforsaken league (if we never go down) for ever.
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Post by Derry Blue on Apr 6, 2017 8:48:20 GMT
You should do it sirfred. Just think of all the benefits you'd get for your 6 million. You could be slagged off on this forum for all sorts of things - the beer's too warm, the pies too cold, the coffee's too strong, the defence too weak. It'l all be your fault. If last home game gate was down by 3 you'd be to blame for no publicity. There's not enough flags - your fault. And all the while nwas will be saying that'll you'll pull the plug and walk away and we'll be doomed. Go on, buy the ticket - you know it makes sense.
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Post by histsci on Apr 6, 2017 9:14:47 GMT
There's no reason why a fan who wins the Euromillions couldn't apply to be on the CFU board with the manifesto of 'if elected I'll donate x per year'. Pretty sure they'd get on and there wouldn't be much need to demand a percentage of the ownership. Of course, they'd have to accept that decisions at board level are voted on and that they have one vote, just as all the other board members do. And obviously for that to work they couldn't throw their toys out of the pram if a vote goes against them. It could work though, in theory.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 9:24:55 GMT
I'm fairly sure that any benefactor to the club would be voted on happily by the owners, as happened previously with Tony Durkin following his QHP company putting money in.
The replies above give me hope for this club moving forward. It was egotistical money men who cost us our club, never again for me.
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Post by YELLOW CARD on Apr 6, 2017 9:42:50 GMT
In reply to comment from NWAS; would they please elaborate as to when Tony Durkin and QHP "put money into the Club" if it was since the Club reformed as Chester FC, I do not recall seeing this in the CFU accounts?. Or was this money put in under a sponsorship arrangement?; or is NWAS referring to the old Chester City Club?
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Post by Anders on Apr 6, 2017 10:07:03 GMT
In reply to comment from NWAS; would they please elaborate as to when Tony Durkin and QHP "put money into the Club" if it was since the Club reformed as Chester FC, I do not recall seeing this in the CFU accounts?. Or was this money put in under a sponsorship arrangement?; or is NWAS referring to the old Chester City Club? Tony has sponsored an absolute hatful of games, pre and post reformation, amongst other things.
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