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Post by jamesdee on Feb 24, 2020 1:23:57 GMT
Looking at Chester FC's performances in recent times this season there has been no consistency in the results. To be ready for promotion before promotion is surely one of the requirements. If you look at the records of those who have previously gained promotion and have not returned to this National Nprth League they have had a good consistent record at this level. There is no point in gaining promotion and returning to National North League the following season. Consistency in good results is a requirement now.
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Post by Lobster on Feb 24, 2020 8:21:22 GMT
Tend to agree that in a way the worst thing that could happen would be for us to get promoted and then have a season like Chorley are having.
Not sure why, but I actually think we might do alright if we get promoted, but we will need to improve to make it a realistic possibility.
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Post by Si on Feb 24, 2020 8:30:24 GMT
I don't think we should worry about these things until they happen. I think the managers have had one eye on potentially getting promotion by signing up some of our younger, better performing players, but there would obviously be some fairly significant changes squad wise if we went up. For me, we are a goalkeeper, defender, creative midfielder and a big bruiser of a midfielder away from being a good team. We also have an untested managerial due at that level so who know how they'd adapt. Get in the play offs, win them, then worry!
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Post by Hannibal on Feb 24, 2020 9:08:56 GMT
We are talking as though getting into Step one is our ultimate aim. The Conference Premier is so different to when we won it. The problem this season has been failure to defend at all adequately. That comes down to organisation. We had a period earlier when we didn't concede for 4 games up to the Gateshead game. Since then we've conceded 2,4,1,2 and 3. Even in the Blyth game we managed to concede a sloppy goal. Most of those goals were preventable and came from indecisive defending and our GK failing to dominate his area, which others have noted causes defenders to become jittery.
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Post by agl on Feb 24, 2020 9:12:22 GMT
Totally agree with Si. You are never 'ready' to go up. Look at Sheffield Utd. Woking and Torquay, who went up from our level last season, are doing OK.
We made a right balls up last time through poor recruitment and actually ended up with a weaker squad than we had in the North. The key is getting (or retaining) a goal scorer. Ultimately it comes down to budget, above all. Worst thing that can happen to us now is to slip out of the play offs. Get in the top seven and give it a go. I don't think most of us would ask more than that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2020 9:54:52 GMT
I’ve watched quite a lot of the national league this season and what strikes me is the size (physicality) of some of the teams. The spine of most of the teams are bloody huge with so many of the games being won on set pieces, which is what our achilles heal is currently.
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Post by Matt on Feb 24, 2020 10:19:08 GMT
Not for me, these things take time. I'd rather be at the top of end of this table rather than be on the end of a constant relegation battle in the national league. I know most of the fan base remember the Football league days so expect a Football League side to be battering these teams week in week out when in reality we're now one of those non league sides.
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Post by agl on Feb 24, 2020 12:39:22 GMT
Not for me, these things take time. I'd rather be at the top of end of this table rather than be on the end of a constant relegation battle in the national league. I know most of the fan base remember the Football league days so expect a Football League side to be battering these teams week in week out when in reality we're now one of those non league sides. I don't get this argument. Why are we going to be any better prepared if we wait longer? All that will happen is that crowds will fall away, budgets will be reduced and there's a real risk the club will die. I'd take a relegation battle in a higher league any time. To say "most" of the fan base expect us to be battering "these teams" is, I would respectfully suggest, not true. On crowds of 2,000, properly run and with good management, there is no reason why we can't become an established national league club. I would put Halifax forward as an example. What this club needs now is the buzz generated by promotion, or at least a decent stab at the play offs. What we don't need is to be muddling around in the middle reaches of regional football for any length of time. Encouraging to see that the players who could play at the next step are signing new deals. |
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Post by jamesdee on Mar 9, 2020 0:44:05 GMT
The result at Bradford PA now answers this question fully - we are not ready for promotion - but the new question must now be "Why not"?
Especially so when there were even expectations at one stage that we might top this National North table.
This Bradford result needs explaining along with the several other similar situation results. What is behind these terrible results after times of great success? What causes it? What brings about these poor results against lower status teams when expectations are so different after good wins against top teams? Considered answers now will help the future. Why do we lose against several apparently lower quality teams this season after doing so well earlier? This up and down set of results needs explaining. |
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Post by g1 on Mar 9, 2020 8:02:03 GMT
Unless the defense and midfield gets a radical overhaul no also a true on pitch leader needed as well
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Post by Blockhead on Mar 9, 2020 8:09:09 GMT
Doesn't matter whether we are ready or not, as these managers won't get us promoted.
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Post by Harry Lime on Mar 9, 2020 8:29:45 GMT
I’ve watched quite a lot of the national league this season and what strikes me is the size (physicality) of some of the teams. The spine of most of the teams are bloody huge with so many of the games being won on set pieces, which is what our achilles heal is currently. The National League sums up a lot about what is wrong with British football. You need to be able to compete physically, to have a chance. Young skilful players don't tend to get much of a look in. A lot of the average sides just play the percentages. Keep it simple, and play for set pieces. Not very enjoyable to watch at times. Every team has 6 or 7 players built like rugby players. If you've a couple of centre halves, but the rest are the size of our midfield, you'll concede most games from a set piece. It's not down to the keeper coming for everything, it's the pace of the delivery, and having to mark 6 or 7 big units. |
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Post by agl on Mar 9, 2020 9:28:43 GMT
I’ve watched quite a lot of the national league this season and what strikes me is the size (physicality) of some of the teams. The spine of most of the teams are bloody huge with so many of the games being won on set pieces, which is what our achilles heal is currently. The National League sums up a lot about what is wrong with British football. You need to be able to compete physically, to have a chance. Young skilful players don't tend to get much of a look in. A lot of the average sides just play the percentages. Keep it simple, and play for set pieces. Not very enjoyable to watch at times. Every team has 6 or 7 players built like rugby players. If you've a couple of centre halves, but the rest are the size of our midfield, you'll concede most games from a set piece. It's not down to the keeper coming for everything, it's the pace of the delivery, and having to mark 6 or 7 big units. And our league is a watered down version of the National. If we want to progress, like it or not, we will have to address this. |
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Post by Harry Lime on Mar 9, 2020 9:51:47 GMT
The National League sums up a lot about what is wrong with British football. You need to be able to compete physically, to have a chance. Young skilful players don't tend to get much of a look in. A lot of the average sides just play the percentages. Keep it simple, and play for set pieces. Not very enjoyable to watch at times. Every team has 6 or 7 players built like rugby players. If you've a couple of centre halves, but the rest are the size of our midfield, you'll concede most games from a set piece. It's not down to the keeper coming for everything, it's the pace of the delivery, and having to mark 6 or 7 big units. And our league is a watered down version of the National. If we want to progress, like it or not, we will have to address this. Yeah. The sides we have struggled against are those who play an organised percentage game. As you say, we'd need to address this. We're fine when it's an open end to end game like Kings Lynn. More difficult when it's a York type game. |
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Post by Hannibal on Mar 9, 2020 9:53:56 GMT
Unless the defense and midfield gets a radical overhaul no also a true on pitch leader needed as well Spot on. I think? |
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Post by weareblues on Mar 9, 2020 10:26:54 GMT
Unless the defense and midfield gets a radical overhaul no also a true on pitch leader needed as well What about the ‘messiah’ Gary Roberts everyone raves about |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 10:49:54 GMT
On the evidence of the last couple of weeks and in particular Saturday's debacle, I would say we aren't ready
But, if the opportunity DOES present itself (big "if"!) then I tend to think we should jump at the chance simply because no one can predict, with any degree of confidence, if or when we might get the next opportunity. It maybe next year, in 3 years etc but there are so many variables that could put a spanner in the works.
We might struggle if promoted, then again we might not - who knows
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Mar 9, 2020 12:54:44 GMT
On the evidence of the last couple of weeks and in particular Saturday's debacle, I would say we aren't ready But, if the opportunity DOES present itself (big "if"!) then I tend to think we should jump at the chance simply because no one can predict, with any degree of confidence, if or when we might get the next opportunity. It maybe next year, in 3 years etc but there are so many variables that could put a spanner in the works. We might struggle if promoted, then again we might not - who knows Yeah I think discussing whether we're ready is only really of limited value because if we were to somehow win the play-offs we're hardly going to refuse promotion! Of course we'd need to seriously improve the squad over the summer but that's a given. Last time we went up from this league you could say the club wasn't 'ready' for the jump and that was after running away with it breaking all manner of records along the way. Don't get me wrong, it's worthwhile reflecting on how far we'd be able to fund the required squad strengthening during the summer. However, there's still a lot of football to be played and things that would need to happen before that becomes a pressing concern. |
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Post by Si on Mar 9, 2020 13:02:49 GMT
Whether we are ready or not doesn't actually matter - it's not like Bern and Jonno are saying hang on lads, we're not ready! Nobody turns these opportunities down. Nobody starts the season hoping not to do too well. If we get promoted then fantastic, we'll have to adapt of course but this is why anyone plays or watches football, you want the glory!
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Post by g1 on Mar 9, 2020 13:10:53 GMT
Unless the defense and midfield gets a radical overhaul no also a true on pitch leader needed as well What about the ‘messiah’ Gary Roberts everyone raves about I'm thinking Taylor but I don't think he wants it |
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Post by g1 on Mar 9, 2020 13:11:55 GMT
I’ve watched quite a lot of the national league this season and what strikes me is the size (physicality) of some of the teams. The spine of most of the teams are bloody huge with so many of the games being won on set pieces, which is what our achilles heal is currently. The National League sums up a lot about what is wrong with British football. You need to be able to compete physically, to have a chance. Young skilful players don't tend to get much of a look in. A lot of the average sides just play the percentages. Keep it simple, and play for set pieces. Not very enjoyable to watch at times. Every team has 6 or 7 players built like rugby players. If you've a couple of centre halves, but the rest are the size of our midfield, you'll concede most games from a set piece. It's not down to the keeper coming for everything, it's the pace of the delivery, and having to mark 6 or 7 big units. yes the national league is what's wrong with British football look who is top |
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Post by gezzer on Mar 9, 2020 13:15:15 GMT
Unless the defense and midfield gets a radical overhaul no also a true on pitch leader needed as well What about the ‘messiah’ Gary Roberts everyone raves about You've started a thread about fickleness and quoted "So get behind the managers and the team for a change and quit moaning it could be way way worse" and always call out anyone who dares complain about the Managers by trotting out the old "who else is there?" (for info, the last time we advertised the position we had 64 candidates allegedly and by taking this stance are we to assume that there is no one else so lets give them a job for life?) However, from day one you have taken every opportunity possible to slag off Gary Roberts. Get a grip!! |
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Post by btb on Mar 9, 2020 14:25:50 GMT
What about the ‘messiah’ Gary Roberts everyone raves about You've started a thread about fickleness and quoted "So get behind the managers and the team for a change and quit moaning it could be way way worse" and always call out anyone who dares complain about the Managers by trotting out the old "who else is there?" (for info, the last time we advertised the position we had 64 candidates allegedly and by taking this stance are we to assume that there is no one else so lets give them a job for life?) However, from day one you have taken every opportunity possible to slag off Gary Roberts. Get a grip!! This^^ |
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Post by devadiva on Mar 9, 2020 14:31:54 GMT
My thoughts re promotion over the season (approximately): yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, no, yes, no, yes, no, yes, no, yes, no, yes, no, yes, no, no, no, yes, no, no, no, yes, no, no, no, no
For what its worth, my thoughts on play offs: yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, not sure, not sure, not sure,
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Post by weareblues on Mar 9, 2020 15:34:17 GMT
What about the ‘messiah’ Gary Roberts everyone raves about You've started a thread about fickleness and quoted "So get behind the managers and the team for a change and quit moaning it could be way way worse" and always call out anyone who dares complain about the Managers by trotting out the old "who else is there?" (for info, the last time we advertised the position we had 64 candidates allegedly and by taking this stance are we to assume that there is no one else so lets give them a job for life?) However, from day one you have taken every opportunity possible to slag off Gary Roberts. Get a grip!! More then happy for him to prove me wrong and perform well However it baffles me why no one ever says anything about him yet all the other players get abuse no matter what? |
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Post by exiled on Mar 9, 2020 16:42:30 GMT
Yes as a club I think we're ready.
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Post by weareblues on Mar 9, 2020 16:58:31 GMT
Yes as a club I think we're ready. Like to think we’ve learnt our mistakes from previous times Plus got some good people on the board atm who know what they’re actually doing unlike some the previous we’ve had who just doing it because no one else wanted to |
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Post by Al on Mar 9, 2020 18:36:36 GMT
We're in a far stronger position with Mr Murphy behind the scenes then we were last time we went up.
With Mr Murphys help of course there is no reason why we cant aim at consolidation next season IF we go up this season that is.
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Post by 3mm on Mar 9, 2020 20:26:12 GMT
Ready or not you have to go for promotion. A lot of players at this level are on short contracts anyway, so there's no use planning for promotion in a couple of years time, because your best players could be gone anyway. If we do go up, sort out any deficiencies in the close season.
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