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Post by bluboy79 on Apr 9, 2017 19:54:28 GMT
In our last 17 matches including trophy game v Forest Green we have :
Won 4
Drawn 1
Lost 12
Scored 19
Conceded 33
Of these game 9 were at home :
Draw 1
Lost 8
This is a shocking record and our manager needs to kick players up the backside or he will be out of a job soon !
What's our worst ever run at home? We must be close to beating it!
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Post by tarvinblue on Apr 9, 2017 20:14:02 GMT
That's relegation form and pretty much encapsulates the period since Sharps left the club. This is the bit that JM disregards as he continues to live off the back of the Sep-Nov period, which saw us collect enough points to ensure that we haven't been dragged down there, despite those stats. That's an awful lot of games of football and whenever JM comments it's as if the run has only been a handful of games. During the period highlighted we've offered JM a 2 and a half year contract, employed a part time lump who turns up when he's got nothing else on as an assistant and offered virtually the whole of this wretched squad a new contract. Only those on the board and JM can truly see the logic in that.
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Post by paulie on Apr 9, 2017 20:18:46 GMT
In our last 17 matches including trophy game v Forest Green we have : Won 4 Drawn 1 Lost 12 Scored 19 Conceded 33 Of these game 9 were at home : Draw 1 Lost 8 This is a shocking record and our manager needs to kick players up the backside or he will be out of a job soon ! What's our worst ever run at home? We must be close to beating it! The board need to kick the manger up the backside, this run is going to affect season ticket sales. It's rumoured all this shower have been offered new contracts. God help us. |
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Post by Chester_Blue on Apr 9, 2017 20:27:24 GMT
if players like joyce resign for us next season we will be odds on to go down only ones i'd keep are lynch astles hunt shaw mahon waters akintunde providing his fitness and do everything we can to keep alabi the rest can go
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Post by dragonslayer on Apr 9, 2017 20:45:48 GMT
My worst fears are being realised. I always thought that with being Burr's Assistant that JM was part of the problem and not the cure. I am sick of watching
his type of football. I think the only reason that he is retaining the current squad is because he hasn't got a clue who to recruit in the close season, with regards to his interviews you would have to be dumb to believe him. At the moment I can not stomach are another season of this tripe, so for the first time in many many years I won't be renewing my season ticket, a number of us that sit together have all said the same. It is now very obvious that Ian Sharpe's was definitely the main man.
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Post by Hannibal on Apr 9, 2017 20:47:37 GMT
In our last 17 matches including trophy game v Forest Green we have : Won 4 Drawn 1 Lost 12 Scored 19 Conceded 33 Of these game 9 were at home : Draw 1 Lost 8 This is a shocking record and our manager needs to kick players up the backside or he will be out of a job soon ! What's our worst ever run at home? We must be close to beating it! Don't tell us tell the perpetrator. |
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Post by Buckley Blue on Apr 9, 2017 20:55:49 GMT
My worst fears are being realised. I always thought that with being Burr's Assistant that JM was part of the problem and not the cure. I am sick of watching his type of football. I think the only reason that he is retaining the current squad is because he hasn't got a clue who to recruit in the close season, with regards to his interviews you would have to be dumb to believe him. At the moment I can not stomach are another season of this tripe, so for the first time in many many years I won't be renewing my season ticket, a number of us that sit together have all said the same. It is now very obvious that Ian Sharpe's was definitely the main man. Realistically how is that going to help the situation |
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Post by Si on Apr 9, 2017 20:56:23 GMT
I'm so bored of reading the constant bummage of Ian Sharps. He was a rookie assistant for a few months, not Alex Ferguson. No doubting he had an influence but I don't believe the loss of one single man has derailed our entire season. It's gone wrong because we suffered injuries and Macca made a mistake in not being active enough in the transfer market. Consequently he was left with an unbalanced squad and has lost his way tactically. He is trying to find solutions but it's not working with the players we have. I'd like Macca to just show some honesty and admit that it's not been acceptable and that these lads are playing for contracts.
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Post by paulie on Apr 9, 2017 21:02:21 GMT
My worst fears are being realised. I always thought that with being Burr's Assistant that JM was part of the problem and not the cure. I am sick of watching his type of football. I think the only reason that he is retaining the current squad is because he hasn't got a clue who to recruit in the close season, with regards to his interviews you would have to be dumb to believe him. At the moment I can not stomach are another season of this tripe, so for the first time in many many years I won't be renewing my season ticket, a number of us that sit together have all said the same. It is now very obvious that Ian Sharpe's was definitely the main man. My season is over. I would rather set fire to £18 in my back garden than be bored for 90 minutes down the deva. |
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Post by dragonslayer on Apr 9, 2017 21:20:59 GMT
I disagree with you Big Si, Ian Sharpe's was already coaching at League one Walsall, and was thought that highly of that he is now the first team coach at Walsall.
He also played over 500 games in League Football as a central defender, with quite a few in The Championship. It is no co-incidence that we had all those clean
sheets when he was here and conceded very few goals, since he has gone it's been like open season on the range.
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Post by Pavlov on Apr 9, 2017 21:24:30 GMT
My worst fears are being realised. I always thought that with being Burr's Assistant that JM was part of the problem and not the cure. I am sick of watching his type of football. I think the only reason that he is retaining the current squad is because he hasn't got a clue who to recruit in the close season, with regards to his interviews you would have to be dumb to believe him. At the moment I can not stomach are another season of this tripe, so for the first time in many many years I won't be renewing my season ticket, a number of us that sit together have all said the same. It is now very obvious that Ian Sharpe's was definitely the main man. My season is over. I would rather set fire to £18 in my back garden than be bored for 90 minutes down the deva. That's the spirit! I've got a season ticket so I'll go along. I agree that the bad run at home is getting me down as well, but when the going gets tough the tough get going. I have seen some abysmal periods in the past 40 years which has only made me appreciate how well we have done since reformation. If you had asked me seven years ago how big our attendances would be after a few seasons struggling in the conference then I would have estimated not much over 1600. There was always going to a period when we started to struggle like this, how we deal with it will define us as a club. |
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Post by Derry Blue on Apr 9, 2017 21:48:24 GMT
My season is over. I would rather set fire to £18 in my back garden than be bored for 90 minutes down the deva. That's the spirit! I've got a season ticket so I'll go along. I agree that the bad run at home is getting me down as well, but when the going gets tough the tough get going. I have seen some abysmal periods in the past 40 years which has only made me appreciate how well we have done since reformation. If you had asked me seven years ago how big our attendances would be after a few seasons struggling in the conference then I would have estimated not much over 1600. There was always going to a period when we started to struggle like this, how we deal with it will define us as a club. That's the debate - how we deal with it. Do we stick with Jon which is the cheaper (in the short term) option or do we get someone in who seems to understand tactics. Can Jon turn it round? Will he lead us to relegation next season with the ultimately bigger cost of that? It's a hell of a gamble either way. |
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Post by Chester_Blue on Apr 10, 2017 18:28:04 GMT
gone from one of the form teams around october time to the out of form team it's a good job sharps had them playing decent football when we had that great little spell because the puppet and his sidekick have ruined all that good work in 6 months
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Post by Fed up on Apr 10, 2017 19:41:58 GMT
Compare us to Grimsby and you have to ask what has Macca got that Bignot hasn't? Be nice if we could do a swap.
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Post by Hannibal on Apr 10, 2017 21:20:28 GMT
My worst fears are being realised. I always thought that with being Burr's Assistant that JM was part of the problem and not the cure. I am sick of watching his type of football. I think the only reason that he is retaining the current squad is because he hasn't got a clue who to recruit in the close season, with regards to his interviews you would have to be dumb to believe him. At the moment I can not stomach are another season of this tripe, so for the first time in many many years I won't be renewing my season ticket, a number of us that sit together have all said the same. It is now very obvious that Ian Sharpe's was definitely the main man. Realistically how is that going to help the situation I know Dragonslayer very well and he's supported Chester for close to 65 years and he's as passionate as anyone and was involved in setting up the Junior Blues in 2010. The answer to your question is nothing, but there comes a time when you realise that that we're stuffed all ends and I'd rather go shopping with the missus than suffer much more of what we saw on Saturday. Sack him and we're skint. Keep him and he'll have the gates down to sub 500 as they were at the end of the Mad Terry and SV eras. Giving him a 2-year contract extension was signing the club's suicide note. |
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Post by Buckley Blue on Apr 10, 2017 22:59:38 GMT
Realistically how is that going to help the situation I know Dragonslayer very well and he's supported Chester for close to 65 years and he's as passionate as anyone and was involved in setting up the Junior Blues in 2010. The answer to your question is nothing, but there comes a time when you realise that that we're stuffed all ends and I'd rather go shopping with the missus than suffer much more of what we saw on Saturday. Sack him and we're skint. Keep him and he'll have the gates down to sub 500 as they were at the end of the Mad Terry and SV eras. Giving him a 2-year contract extension was signing the club's suicide note. For all the histrionics on here and surprisingly it's coming from the aged population this club will be here in years to come, with or without McCarthy, in one form or another. I must be a relative junior as I've only supported this club in whatever guise for 47 years and trust me I have seen some shite in the past, what we have now isn't the worst. I class myself as a supporter not a fan which means I will renew my season ticket because if nothing the club needs us more now than ever. If we all ran away at the first sign of things not going to plan where would be. Things are far from perfect I realise that but walking away from a club that we struggled to create beggars belief. |
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Post by Real oldtimer on Apr 11, 2017 2:55:32 GMT
I know Dragonslayer very well and he's supported Chester for close to 65 years and he's as passionate as anyone and was involved in setting up the Junior Blues in 2010. The answer to your question is nothing, but there comes a time when you realise that that we're stuffed all ends and I'd rather go shopping with the missus than suffer much more of what we saw on Saturday. Sack him and we're skint. Keep him and he'll have the gates down to sub 500 as they were at the end of the Mad Terry and SV eras. Giving him a 2-year contract extension was signing the club's suicide note. For all the histrionics on here and surprisingly it's coming from the aged population this club will be here in years to come, with or without McCarthy, in one form or another. I must be a relative junior as I've only supported this club in whatever guise for 47 years and trust me I have seen some shite in the past, what we have now isn't the worst. I class myself as a supporter not a fan which means I will renew my season ticket because if nothing the club needs us more now than ever. If we all ran away at the first sign of things not going to plan where would be. Things are far from perfect I realise that but walking away from a club that we struggled to create beggars belief. Well, I must be a real oldtimer because this year is my 60th year of supporting and watching City. I have to disagree that this isn't the worst. Even in the days of repeated re-election requests it wasn't this bad. Why? Because at least in those days both the players and manager TRIED. With certain exceptions, this lot aren't even trying. They're not putting any effort into earning their wages. In modern-day speak they are wage thieves. The manager in those days did his best to get results. Today's manager just repeats the same proven-to-be-useless negative formula at home week after week after week. He's done it for the whole of 2017. He's obviously either incapable of learning from his mistakes or he thinks that he's right and the rest of the world, including his results column, is wrong and count for nothing. Yes, this club will be here in years to come, but it will be on a par with Workington at best. One last point. In the days at the bottom of Div 3 (North) we didn't waste money in invisible assistant managers. How much are we wasting on one now, and wouldn't it be better spent on either a manager with fresh ideas and/or a second striker to use at home? |
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Post by Derry Blue on Apr 11, 2017 7:40:36 GMT
For all the histrionics on here and surprisingly it's coming from the aged population this club will be here in years to come, with or without McCarthy, in one form or another. I must be a relative junior as I've only supported this club in whatever guise for 47 years and trust me I have seen some shite in the past, what we have now isn't the worst. I class myself as a supporter not a fan which means I will renew my season ticket because if nothing the club needs us more now than ever. If we all ran away at the first sign of things not going to plan where would be. Things are far from perfect I realise that but walking away from a club that we struggled to create beggars belief. Well, I must be a real oldtimer because this year is my 60th year of supporting and watching City. I have to disagree that this isn't the worst. Even in the days of repeated re-election requests it wasn't this bad. Why? Because at least in those days both the players and manager TRIED. With certain exceptions, this lot aren't even trying. They're not putting any effort into earning their wages. In modern-day speak they are wage thieves. The manager in those days did his best to get results. Today's manager just repeats the same proven-to-be-useless negative formula at home week after week after week. He's done it for the whole of 2017. He's obviously either incapable of learning from his mistakes or he thinks that he's right and the rest of the world, including his results column, is wrong and count for nothing. Yes, this club will be here in years to come, but it will be on a par with Workington at best. One last point. In the days at the bottom of Div 3 (North) we didn't waste money in invisible assistant managers. How much are we wasting on one now, and wouldn't it be better spent on either a manager with fresh ideas and/or a second striker to use at home? Wow, well said stuff in this post. |
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Post by Yes but on Apr 11, 2017 7:53:29 GMT
You say this team aren't trying, well on Saturday, other than entertaining us fans who hate them so much, they don't have to try as we're safe. In years gone by we've been fighting one disaster or another and it's easier to look like your digging in fighting. However this team are safe and cruising to the summer. I agree they have been setup negatively which is Macca's fault as you can't get a team who know they are safe to sit in and defend. look at Bromley vs Wrexham 4 v 3 pure end of season shackles off stuff. This is what Macca should be doing but no, he's trying to grind out results to appease you moaning gets.
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Post by dragonslayer on Apr 11, 2017 7:55:22 GMT
Buckley Blue I will never walk away from CFC, where did I say that? I just won't get a Season ticket, then if I don't want to go to a home game I won't. I can't stomach
watching shite week after week anymore. I hope that things improve and JM turns into the good manager that some think he is at the moment, but In his post match
interviews he doesn't come across as being honest with the supporters, and won't take any responsibility. We will see what sort of players he recruits in the summer, if most of the crap from this season are signed up god help CFC.I will settle down in the close season and I might change my mind about the Season Ticket, but i haven't got
any confidence at the moment in JM.
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Post by Derry Blue on Apr 11, 2017 8:11:49 GMT
You say this team aren't trying, well on Saturday, other than entertaining us fans who hate them so much, they don't have to try as we're safe. In years gone by we've been fighting one disaster or another and it's easier to look like your digging in fighting. However this team are safe and cruising to the summer. I agree they have been setup negatively which is Macca's fault as you can't get a team who know they are safe to sit in and defend. look at Bromley vs Wrexham 4 v 3 pure end of season shackles off stuff. This is what Macca should be doing but no, he's trying to grind out results to appease you moaning gets. Oh my God. It's our fault now. At least that gets the budget off the hook. |
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Post by tarvinblue on Apr 11, 2017 8:18:00 GMT
I realise John McCarthy doesn't like people using stats as it offers a factual account that doesn't fit with his fairyland but I've just done a quick calculation -
From Aug - Nov we took 35 points at an average of roughly 1.5 per game. That covered the period of the management team of JM/IS and is a top ten average. It must be remembered that during this time we also had a number of injuries and for the first part of it, JM refused to play Sam Hughes.
From Dec - Now we have taken 17 points at an average of 0.9 per game. This covers the period of the management team of JM/CI and is an average bang on with relegation form (around 23rd place). That average is likely to worsen with upcoming games against Lincoln and Forest Green Rovers.
He can dress it up all he likes, but as we move into next season, retaining the current management structure and squad, shed of our main assets, 0.9 points per game will only lead to one thing. In fact Braintree, who occupy the final relegation place at this moment in time, average just over 1 point per game over the season so far.
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Post by Real oldtimer on Apr 12, 2017 2:37:56 GMT
You say this team aren't trying, well on Saturday, other than entertaining us fans who hate them so much, they don't have to try as we're safe. In years gone by we've been fighting one disaster or another and it's easier to look like your digging in fighting. However this team are safe and cruising to the summer. I agree they have been setup negatively which is Macca's fault as you can't get a team who know they are safe to sit in and defend. look at Bromley vs Wrexham 4 v 3 pure end of season shackles off stuff. This is what Macca should be doing but no, he's trying to grind out results to appease you moaning gets. Are you REALLY saying that a team representing Chester doesn't have to TRY?!! If you are, then you are saying that it's acceptable to cheat the supporters, OUR supporters, BLUES supporters, and steal their wages. Again, if that's what you are saying, then either you are not a Chester supporter, or if you claim to support the Blues, then you really don't understand football or sport in general, and you must like the feeling of being taken for a ride week in, week out. I would guess from your last three words that you must either be a supporter of another team or a non-sport lover. |
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Post by Border Collie on Apr 12, 2017 8:59:28 GMT
Well, I must be a real oldtimer because this year is my 60th year of supporting and watching City. I have to disagree that this isn't the worst. Even in the days of repeated re-election requests it wasn't this bad. Why? Because at least in those days both the players and manager TRIED. With certain exceptions, this lot aren't even trying. They're not putting any effort into earning their wages. In modern-day speak they are wage thieves. The manager in those days did his best to get results. Today's manager just repeats the same proven-to-be-useless negative formula at home week after week after week. He's done it for the whole of 2017. He's obviously either incapable of learning from his mistakes or he thinks that he's right and the rest of the world, including his results column, is wrong and count for nothing. Yes, this club will be here in years to come, but it will be on a par with Workington at best. One last point. In the days at the bottom of Div 3 (North) we didn't waste money in invisible assistant managers. How much are we wasting on one now, and wouldn't it be better spent on either a manager with fresh ideas and/or a second striker to use at home? Wow, well said stuff in this post. Agreed . One of the best posts since the new forum was created |
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Post by South Blue on Apr 12, 2017 10:17:48 GMT
Well, I must be a real oldtimer because this year is my 60th year of supporting and watching City. I have to disagree that this isn't the worst. Even in the days of repeated re-election requests it wasn't this bad. Why? Because at least in those days both the players and manager TRIED. With certain exceptions, this lot aren't even trying. They're not putting any effort into earning their wages. In modern-day speak they are wage thieves. The manager in those days did his best to get results. Today's manager just repeats the same proven-to-be-useless negative formula at home week after week after week. He's done it for the whole of 2017. He's obviously either incapable of learning from his mistakes or he thinks that he's right and the rest of the world, including his results column, is wrong and count for nothing. Yes, this club will be here in years to come, but it will be on a par with Workington at best. One last point. In the days at the bottom of Div 3 (North) we didn't waste money in invisible assistant managers. How much are we wasting on one now, and wouldn't it be better spent on either a manager with fresh ideas and/or a second striker to use at home? so a new manager but no assistant to bounce ideas off? cant wait till we see the full quality of the squad next year. lynch (new RB) hudson Astles hunt mahon shaw george horwood Akintunde and Alabi (fingers crossed) just having a full squad to pick from will help massively.. to have mahon and akintunde out for most of the season is a killer and personally think we would be in a better position. cant wait for the season tickets to be on sale. up the seals!!!! |
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Post by dmcnally on Apr 12, 2017 10:50:34 GMT
Well, I must be a real oldtimer because this year is my 60th year of supporting and watching City. I have to disagree that this isn't the worst. Even in the days of repeated re-election requests it wasn't this bad. Why? Because at least in those days both the players and manager TRIED. With certain exceptions, this lot aren't even trying. They're not putting any effort into earning their wages. In modern-day speak they are wage thieves. The manager in those days did his best to get results. Today's manager just repeats the same proven-to-be-useless negative formula at home week after week after week. He's done it for the whole of 2017. He's obviously either incapable of learning from his mistakes or he thinks that he's right and the rest of the world, including his results column, is wrong and count for nothing. Yes, this club will be here in years to come, but it will be on a par with Workington at best. One last point. In the days at the bottom of Div 3 (North) we didn't waste money in invisible assistant managers. How much are we wasting on one now, and wouldn't it be better spent on either a manager with fresh ideas and/or a second striker to use at home? so a new manager but no assistant to bounce ideas off? cant wait till we see the full quality of the squad next year. lynch (new RB) hudson Astles hunt mahon shaw george horwood Akintunde and Alabi (fingers crossed) just having a full squad to pick from will help massively.. to have mahon and akintunde out for most of the season is a killer and personally think we would be in a better position. cant wait for the season tickets to be on sale. up the seals!!!! I agree, I'm really looking forward to next season and hopefully seeing the return of some key players like Mahon. I'll be the first person buying my season ticket. COYB. |
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