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Post by Jack on Apr 11, 2017 8:01:52 GMT
To everybody who has said that, or similar, in the aftermath of Saturday,
What a ridiculous attitude to have towards OUR football club. There is no benefactor, there is no rich man who you're hitting in the pocket, there is far from a bottomless reserve of cash. This club is solely powered by fans, without them, it will stop moving forward and eventually die.
Because you think Jon McCarthy should have played two up front on Saturday, that's a valid justification to desert your club when it needs you most?
There's a sizable contingent of our fanbase, which is reflected on here, that claim to support this club but do nothing than snipe at it and see every bad result as validation for their moaning. Personally, I don't know why they bother but this attention seeking, hysterical culture we have in the terraces has to stop.
It's been an awful home run, but it will pass. Even if it doesn't, we've got to embrace what we are; a fan owned football club with limited resources but passionate fans. Ditch the talk of consistently paying off managers and squad overhauls, it's not something we can do. What WE can do is actually support, not threaten to walk away and chuck our toys out the pram.
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Post by Derry Blue on Apr 11, 2017 8:06:51 GMT
This is the post that most trivialises fans' concerns. To say people are not going to come because Jon didn't play two up front on Saturday is just ...  It's about the constant poor tactics, the constant failure of the manager to accept what's wrong, the ..... Oh, I give up. You carry on thinking what you like Jack. You're obviously so much better a fan than the rest of us. |
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Post by blues on Apr 11, 2017 8:08:26 GMT
Excellent post. You'll get shouted down by the moaners but it's them who are too self-absorbed to realise they are making things worse.
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Post by Jack on Apr 11, 2017 8:12:29 GMT
This is the post that most trivialises fans' concerns. To say people are not going to come because Jon didn't play two up front on Saturday is just ... It's about the constant poor tactics, the constant failure of the manager to accept what's wrong, the ..... Oh, I give up. You carry on thinking what you like Jack. You're obviously so much better a fan than the rest of us. Here comes the 'Superfan' nonsense.. A ridiculous claim, I make about 18 home games a season and maybe 3 aways, I fail to see how that's relevant? Okay, in your head, when you add up CONSTANT POOR TACTICS and THE FAILURE OF THE MANAGER TO ACCEPT WHAT'S WRONG you come up with 'not going to the games, deprive the CLUB of the money it needs to progress and let it slip back into the regional leagues. Jon McCarthy will not be here forever, nor will Ryan Astles or Alan Povey. The club will be, IF people don't turn their back and walk away from it. |
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Post by Derry Blue on Apr 11, 2017 8:16:59 GMT
This is the post that most trivialises fans' concerns. To say people are not going to come because Jon didn't play two up front on Saturday is just ... It's about the constant poor tactics, the constant failure of the manager to accept what's wrong, the ..... Oh, I give up. You carry on thinking what you like Jack. You're obviously so much better a fan than the rest of us. Here comes the 'Superfan' nonsense.. A ridiculous claim, I make about 18 home games a season and maybe 3 aways, I fail to see how that's relevant? Okay, in your head, when you add up CONSTANT POOR TACTICS and THE FAILURE OF THE MANAGER TO ACCEPT WHAT'S WRONG you come up with 'not going to the games, deprive the CLUB of the money it needs to progress and let it slip back into the regional leagues. Jon McCarthy will not be here forever, nor will Ryan Astles or Alan Povey. The club will be, IF people don't turn their back and walk away from it. Look at your post. You used the words I don't know why THEY (my emphasis) bother. Who are they if not some breed of lesser fan. People not gifted with the insight of certain super fans. |
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Post by Jack on Apr 11, 2017 8:23:40 GMT
Here comes the 'Superfan' nonsense.. A ridiculous claim, I make about 18 home games a season and maybe 3 aways, I fail to see how that's relevant? Okay, in your head, when you add up CONSTANT POOR TACTICS and THE FAILURE OF THE MANAGER TO ACCEPT WHAT'S WRONG you come up with 'not going to the games, deprive the CLUB of the money it needs to progress and let it slip back into the regional leagues. Jon McCarthy will not be here forever, nor will Ryan Astles or Alan Povey. The club will be, IF people don't turn their back and walk away from it. Look at your post. You used the words I don't know why THEY (my emphasis) bother. Who are they if not some breed of lesser fan. People not gifted with the insight of certain super fans. The only person saying that is yourself and it has a 'world's smallest violin' ring to it the more you repeat it. Do you think it's right to stop watching a fan-owned football team, which is completely reliant on its supporters, because they are on a poor run of form? I feel like our answer might be different and there's no point continuing the discussion. |
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Post by Sealking on Apr 11, 2017 8:42:32 GMT
Most football fans of clubs only go home games and unfortunately our home form is shocking at the moment. If you don't enjoy going and watching the football on show at present then it's easy to say I'll stay at home and save myself 16 quid... I'm always in two minds to go or not recently I just find it frustrating, boring and not enjoyable. I get your point that's why I keep going but any floating fans or others I don't blame them for not going
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Post by whopper1 on Apr 11, 2017 8:51:43 GMT
I won't be doing another home game this season, not sitting there watching that garbage with that clueless manager in charge, will do Sutton away to complete my conference grounds and hope we get rid of the clown in the summer because if we don't next season will be worse
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Post by Lobster on Apr 11, 2017 8:53:26 GMT
If people decide not to spend their time and money elsewhere, I'm not going to have a go at anyone for that, but it's the dramatics some people seem to introduce into announcing it, as if they're making some sort of exeunt from a Shakespearean tragedy, that I don't get. There's an almost boastful level of harrumphing behind the way some fans present their decision.
It's not like being a dissatisfied customer of an airline or supermarket. You sign up for a bit more than that when you follow a football club and you shouldn't just see yourself as an entitled consumer.
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Post by boughtonblue on Apr 11, 2017 9:06:34 GMT
To everybody who has said that, or similar, in the aftermath of Saturday, What a ridiculous attitude to have towards OUR football club. There is no benefactor, there is no rich man who you're hitting in the pocket, there is far from a bottomless reserve of cash. This club is solely powered by fans, without them, it will stop moving forward and eventually die. Because you think Jon McCarthy should have played two up front on Saturday, that's a valid justification to desert your club when it needs you most? There's a sizable contingent of our fanbase, which is reflected on here, that claim to support this club but do nothing than snipe at it and see every bad result as validation for their moaning. Personally, I don't know why they bother but this attention seeking, hysterical culture we have in the terraces has to stop. It's been an awful home run, but it will pass. Even if it doesn't, we've got to embrace what we are; a fan owned football club with limited resources but passionate fans. Ditch the talk of consistently paying off managers and squad overhauls, it's not something we can do. What WE can do is actually support, not threaten to walk away and chuck our toys out the pram. Good post, I am with you on this. Some people seem to need to vent all life's frustrations at the club when things aren't going well. I have stood next to people who spend 90 minutes abusing opponents, officials and CFC players and management with such venom it's embarrassing. I remember standing next to a couple at Cammell lairds in our first year. They were abusing the official to such an extent that I felt I had to apologise to a Cammell laird fan next to us. He plainly thought it was absurd (and it is). |
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Post by Harry Lime on Apr 11, 2017 9:17:48 GMT
Ultimately Jack is spot on.
If people decide to do something else on a Saturday afternoon, that is their decision. However, without their money and support the team will likely get weaker and the the manager (whoever it is at the time) has even less options. It's a vicious circle. The more people that don't go, the more they are ultimately proved right. Less players are keen to come here. Less players are prepared to play for lower wages than they can get elsewhere.
If we were SV or another rich owner club I could understand it. The Board must be concerned at the drop in attendance already. They will be aware of the views of a sizeable minority or majority (?).
This club will still be here after the manager,players, board, have all gone. Where we will be is probably down to us. Once people stop going, they don't tend to come back.
Let's get through this and support the club.
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Post by Si on Apr 11, 2017 9:27:04 GMT
Jack does make a good point, but it really comes down to what type of person you are. I'll never have a pop at anyone for how they decide to spend their money, but Chester FC is a way of life for me and it's in my blood, I can't decide to stop going because of tactics etc. For me, the only times I'd stop going are in times of boycott such as when Vaughan and Smith were in charge, but to stop going because we're rubbish is just not an option for me. We didn't have a club a few years ago and I longed for the days of when all we had to moan about was a striker who couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo. I'm not saying things are perfect, far from it, but we've always been pretty crap apart from the odd season and that's just the way it is supporting Chester, it makes the good times better when they do come along!
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Post by vxblue on Apr 11, 2017 9:53:04 GMT
Football is a big commitment. For a lot of people the price of a match ticket at Chester is a considerable amount, if people feel that what they get when they go to a home game isn't value for their money then I fully understand why some people may choose not to go.
I'm a student, I go whenever i can, but it gets increasingly hard to justify it when we have a run of results like we have had at the moment.
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Post by Jack on Apr 11, 2017 10:23:28 GMT
I entirely appreciate that watching football isn't cheap and is hard to justify at times. This message isn't aimed at people who cannot afford to watch us play, it's towards those who can but are choosing to turn their back on us when we clearly need the support.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Apr 11, 2017 10:30:04 GMT
Good post Jack, with good points made.
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Post by dmcnally on Apr 11, 2017 10:51:16 GMT
Exactly. You support your football club through thick and thin. That phrase is even more relevant for us, as we are fan-owned. One fan turning their back on the club is less money for the club & Macca.
We've had a sh*** past few decades pre-2010, many turbulent years when we didn't know if we would have a club to support. We're now a sustainable, community focused fan-owned club. Embrace it. Gone are the days of a crazy American messing with our club, or V*******. IT IS OUR CLUB. We have gone from going to a game and protesting about our club dying, to protesting about playing one up front ffs! We're in this journey together and having us all onboard can make such a difference.We own our club. Show your pride in that.
Join the CFU. Get your season ticket. WE ARE IN THIS TOGETHER. CHESTER TILL I DIE.
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Post by Aiguy on Apr 11, 2017 10:57:00 GMT
Blimey, a good thread
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Post by vxblue on Apr 11, 2017 11:18:26 GMT
Exactly. You support your football club through thick and thin. That phrase is even more relevant for us, as we are fan-owned. One fan turning their back on the club is less money for the club & Macca. We've had a sh*** past few decades pre-2010, many turbulent years when we didn't know if we would have a club to support. We're now a sustainable, community focused fan-owned club. Embrace it. Gone are the days of a crazy American messing with our club, or V*******. IT IS OUR CLUB. We have gone from going to a game and protesting about our club dying, to protesting about playing one up front ffs! We're in this journey together and having us all onboard can make such a difference.We own our club. Show your pride in that. Join the CFU. Get your season ticket. WE ARE IN THIS TOGETHER. CHESTER TILL I DIE. Lets face it, a lot of fans who support Chester, rightly or wrongly, take no interest in the politics of the club. It doesn't matter to them whats going on behind the scenes, if we're fan owned or privately owned. They go to watch football, so its only natural that people have chosen to stop going when we haven't won a home game in 5 months. |
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Post by sqzl on Apr 11, 2017 11:49:16 GMT
I think it's a bit annoying to log onto here after a poor performance and see it littered with people saying they're not going again, JM has to go, we are clueless etc etc etc. It's like the kid that jumps into the pool fully dressed to get some attention. I couldn't care less if those type of people never go again, and don't particularly want to read it on here. In an IDEAL world, everyone would support the team through bad times and the good, but nobody can make them. So if you want to go the the games, great, if not, no need to tell the world.
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Post by border collie on Apr 11, 2017 12:04:42 GMT
I think it's a bit annoying to log onto here after a poor performance and see it littered with people saying they're not going again, JM has to go, we are clueless etc etc etc. It's like the kid that jumps into the pool fully dressed to get some attention. I couldn't care less if those type of people never go again, and don't particularly want to read it on here. In an IDEAL world, everyone would support the team through bad times and the good, but nobody can make them. So if you want to go the the games, great, if not, no need to tell the world. So ,basicly nobody should ever question anything that anyone does at the club . Just like when the scouser was running the club ,lets just let it happen |
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Post by sqzl on Apr 11, 2017 12:13:53 GMT
I think it's a bit annoying to log onto here after a poor performance and see it littered with people saying they're not going again, JM has to go, we are clueless etc etc etc. It's like the kid that jumps into the pool fully dressed to get some attention. I couldn't care less if those type of people never go again, and don't particularly want to read it on here. In an IDEAL world, everyone would support the team through bad times and the good, but nobody can make them. So if you want to go the the games, great, if not, no need to tell the world. So ,basicly nobody should ever question anything that anyone does at the club . Just like when the scouser was running the club ,lets just let it happen Not at all BC. I'm suggesting there are better ways to question the club than to say you're not going again this season blah blah blah. Criticism is much needed, but we should at least be constructive. I could sit here and say we we're sh*t against York, i'm never watching Chester again while JM is manager. Or i could say we were totally disjointed against York and the constant changes in formation don't help the players, some of which played poorly. I think they are both criticisms but at least the latter gives reason as to why i think we we're sh*t. Don't get me wrong, after i get home form Lincoln later if we play terrible i'll no doubt have a little rant, but i'll try to be constructive not just slate everyone to do with CFC. |
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Post by bing on Apr 11, 2017 13:15:55 GMT
Despite the title, it's actually a good thread this!
I view watching Chester through the years like watching a soap opera. Some good stuff and some grim storylines too - but I'd much rather watch that then the likes of TOWIE!
I'll be watching Chester until my dying day, whatever league we are playing in.
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Post by Stadium way on Apr 11, 2017 13:21:38 GMT
Jack, some people with whats going on just need to step back for their own sanity.You have to respect that...i keep leaving before the end week on week.They will return.I have to miss monday but will probs go the final game..As someone has said , many fans dont care on the politics, its the product ,a manager that was in awe of York ( jesus).An on/off assistant wtf.No loanee winger/right back/striker.A club that doesnt tackle this division head on ,but treats it like a holy grail we are lucky to be in..Im sure i recall us going on a right run with jim harvey when the club was in utter turmoil.luton couldnt beat us either in several attempts..im not condoning the club owner at the time.but what is it with the way we timidly approach this league.We need a bolshy hard nosed management duo and similar players.Both these things are out there..within budget as well.
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Post by blue since 72 on Apr 11, 2017 15:42:28 GMT
Exactly. You support your football club through thick and thin. That phrase is even more relevant for us, as we are fan-owned. One fan turning their back on the club is less money for the club & Macca. We've had a sh*** past few decades pre-2010, many turbulent years when we didn't know if we would have a club to support. We're now a sustainable, community focused fan-owned club. Embrace it. Gone are the days of a crazy American messing with our club, or V*******. IT IS OUR CLUB. We have gone from going to a game and protesting about our club dying, to protesting about playing one up front ffs! We're in this journey together and having us all onboard can make such a difference.We own our club. Show your pride in that. Join the CFU. Get your season ticket. WE ARE IN THIS TOGETHER. CHESTER TILL I DIE. Oh yes just like that,get your season ticket. Well im definitely not renewing next season if Mr burns is still in charge he's a clueless fool who got lucky end of last season. I'm going to the zoo on Monday instead and have offered my ticket to three people who all said no thanks. Says it all really |
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Post by bing on Apr 11, 2017 16:23:13 GMT
Exactly. You support your football club through thick and thin. That phrase is even more relevant for us, as we are fan-owned. One fan turning their back on the club is less money for the club & Macca. We've had a sh*** past few decades pre-2010, many turbulent years when we didn't know if we would have a club to support. We're now a sustainable, community focused fan-owned club. Embrace it. Gone are the days of a crazy American messing with our club, or V*******. IT IS OUR CLUB. We have gone from going to a game and protesting about our club dying, to protesting about playing one up front ffs! We're in this journey together and having us all onboard can make such a difference.We own our club. Show your pride in that. Join the CFU. Get your season ticket. WE ARE IN THIS TOGETHER. CHESTER TILL I DIE. Oh yes just like that,get your season ticket. Well im definitely not renewing next season if Mr burns is still in charge he's a clueless fool who got lucky end of last season. I'm going to the zoo on Monday instead and have offered my ticket to three people who all said no thanks. Says it all really I suspect you didn't give the most compelling sales pitch |
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Post by paulie on Apr 11, 2017 17:35:58 GMT
It's not the £18 pound wasted I'm bothered about, it's the being bored for 2 hours on my day off from work is my biggest concern.
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Post by Derry Blue on Apr 11, 2017 17:53:05 GMT
I think it's a bit annoying to log onto here after a poor performance and see it littered with people saying they're not going again, JM has to go, we are clueless etc etc etc. It's like the kid that jumps into the pool fully dressed to get some attention. I couldn't care less if those type of people never go again, and don't particularly want to read it on here. In an IDEAL world, everyone would support the team through bad times and the good, but nobody can make them. So if you want to go the the games, great, if not, no need to tell the world. So you only want a one-sided forum. I bet football discussion in the pub with you are good. My way or the highway is it? |
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Post by True Blue Bob on Apr 11, 2017 18:00:59 GMT
I'll still go and watch our depleted team. We really needed another forward and you can only blame the manager for that.
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Post by Buckley Blue on Apr 11, 2017 18:02:51 GMT
I think it's a bit annoying to log onto here after a poor performance and see it littered with people saying they're not going again, JM has to go, we are clueless etc etc etc. It's like the kid that jumps into the pool fully dressed to get some attention. I couldn't care less if those type of people never go again, and don't particularly want to read it on here. In an IDEAL world, everyone would support the team through bad times and the good, but nobody can make them. So if you want to go the the games, great, if not, no need to tell the world. So you only want a one-sided forum. I bet football discussion in the pub with you are good. My way or the highway is it? Conversely I bet any time spent with you is a right barrel of laughs eh |
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Post by Derry Blue on Apr 11, 2017 20:02:09 GMT
So you only want a one-sided forum. I bet football discussion in the pub with you are good. My way or the highway is it? Conversely I bet any time spent with you is a right barrel of laughs eh Wow, who rattled your cage? |
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It's about the constant poor tactics, the constant failure of the manager to accept what's wrong, the ..... Oh, I give up. You carry on thinking what you like Jack. You're obviously so much better a fan than the rest of us.
