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Post by Alexander Lukashenko on May 31, 2020 14:57:48 GMT
A failed experiment. Refer to Yugoslavia to see how that all ended there.
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Post by Lobster on May 31, 2020 17:53:51 GMT
Same true for the United Kingdom?
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Post by Alexander Lukashenko on May 31, 2020 18:31:38 GMT
Nah the UK would never enter a civil war like Yugoslavia did. Not in this modern era.
The USA though, that definitely could happen. Both USA/Yugoslavia both are/were concepts, ideas. They don't know who or what they are.
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Post by Firestick Frank on May 31, 2020 19:46:45 GMT
Scotland will gain independence. Don’t know when but they will.
Suspect we will have a United Ireland before that though.
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Post by Alexander Lukashenko on May 31, 2020 19:59:13 GMT
Possibly but whatever happens we won't go the route the USA will probably be taking.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jun 1, 2020 9:48:40 GMT
Scotland will gain independence. Don’t know when but they will. Suspect we will have a United Ireland before that though. To be fair if the majority of the people living in those countries want it then why not, the problem, as I see it with the Ireland situation, is that the 2 main factions are so vehemently against each other that it may result in a return to the recent troubles |
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Post by Lobster on Jun 1, 2020 14:14:46 GMT
Scotland will gain independence. Don’t know when but they will. Suspect we will have a United Ireland before that though. To be fair if the majority of the people living in those countries want it then why not, the problem, as I see it with the Ireland situation, is that the 2 main factions are so vehemently against each other that it may result in a return to the recent troubles Since republicans and unionists will never agree, I often wonder if the best solution is for Northern Ireland to be independent of both and try to forge a new identity not rooted in bloodshed and religious bigotry. Call yourself a Brit or an Irishman if you like, but first and foremost if you're from there, you're a Northern Irishman or Ulsterman.
I understand there have been parties like Ulster Third Way in the past that have supported Northern Irish independence, but they've mostly been blockheads with links to the National Front. As long as these clowns have nothing to do with it, it could in theory be a peaceful and progressive solution.
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Post by delamereal on Jun 1, 2020 14:38:59 GMT
Scotland will gain independence. Don’t know when but they will.Suspect we will have a United Ireland before that though. If they had given the English a vote on whether Scotland should be given their independence I'm quite sure that it would be a landslide in favour of it.  |
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Post by Ian H Block on Jun 1, 2020 16:12:22 GMT
Scotland will gain independence. Don’t know when but they will.Suspect we will have a United Ireland before that though. If they had given the English a vote on whether Scotland should be given their independence I'm quite sure that it would be a landslide in favour of it. Whilst I fully understand their desire to leave a United Kingdom ruined by little-Englanders I’d be really sorry to see them go. I love Scotland and the Scots, so much so I married a Scottish lass. |
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Post by keysersoze on Jun 2, 2020 11:14:24 GMT
If they had given the English a vote on whether Scotland should be given their independence I'm quite sure that it would be a landslide in favour of it. Whilst I fully understand their desire to leave a United Kingdom ruined by little-Englanders I’d be really sorry to see them go. I love Scotland and the Scots, so much so I married a Scottish lass. I'd also be sad to see them leave but wouldn't blame them if they did. |
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Post by Lobster on Jun 3, 2020 6:21:15 GMT
Hard to see how this situation in the US can be resolved any time soon.
Trump doesn't know how to do anything but fight fire with fire, and gets more ridiculous by the day. Honestly can't believe that a peaceful protest was cleared with teargas so that he could make a public show of waddling to church and holding a Bible upside-down.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jun 3, 2020 8:01:34 GMT
Hard to see how this situation in the US can be resolved any time soon. Trump doesn't know how to do anything but fight fire with fire, and gets more ridiculous by the day. Honestly can't believe that a peaceful protest was cleared with teargas so that he could make a public show of waddling to church and holding a Bible upside-down. TBH the guys a complete tool I just don't understand why Americans voted him in |
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Post by Lobster on Jun 3, 2020 10:10:50 GMT
Hard to see how this situation in the US can be resolved any time soon. Trump doesn't know how to do anything but fight fire with fire, and gets more ridiculous by the day. Honestly can't believe that a peaceful protest was cleared with teargas so that he could make a public show of waddling to church and holding a Bible upside-down. TBH the guys a complete tool I just don't understand why Americans voted him in I try to be fair to them on this and come to an understanding of why the more rational of Americans might have voted for him. I often think there's a parallel between how we view Obama and how they view Thatcher. Thatcher was generally popular with Americans because she displayed a lot of the qualities they see as quintessential British - a very posh accent, a stiff upper lip and so on. Brits tend to like Obama because he displays a lot of what we like to see in Americans - he was cool, courteous, a good orator and he could even sing and dance! In truth, when judging a leader from afar you don't always get the full picture. Many Americans don't appreciate how divisive Thatcher was and how much misery she created for many British communities. Similar, a lot of Americans felt let down by Obama and not enough really changed during his reign. An example that stands out to me is people in Flint, Michigan having no water to their taps for over two years, a situation that I believe still hasn't been fully resolved today. Michigan was one of the states that turned from blue to red in 2017, and if you live there and have to deal with as basic a commodity as water not being available for so long, you would be thinking why the hell should I vote for more of the same of this? So when a loud, successful businessman comes along and starts giving policians a piece of his mind, and the alternative is a candidate as insipid as Hillary Clinton, I suppose I can understand the appeal of that. It's much the same as Brexit in that a big factor was simply sticking two fingers up at the establishment. If they elect him for a second term though then there really is no excuse. Anyone looking at how he's handling Covid and the race protests and thinking he's doing a good job must be either wicked or insane. A four-year-old could handle it better, and that really is no exaggeration. |
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Post by delamereal on Jun 3, 2020 13:14:54 GMT
TBH the guys a complete tool I just don't understand why Americans voted him in I try to be fair to them on this and come to an understanding of why the more rational of Americans might have voted for him. I often think there's a parallel between how we view Obama and how they view Thatcher. Thatcher was generally popular with Americans because she displayed a lot of the qualities they see as quintessential British - a very posh accent, a stiff upper lip and so on. Brits tend to like Obama because he displays a lot of what we like to see in Americans - he was cool, courteous, a good orator and he could even sing and dance! In truth, when judging a leader from afar you don't always get the full picture. Many Americans don't appreciate how divisive Thatcher was and how much misery she created for many British communities. Similar, a lot of Americans felt let down by Obama and not enough really changed during his reign. An example that stands out to me is people in Flint, Michigan having no water to their taps for over two years, a situation that I believe still hasn't been fully resolved today. Michigan was one of the states that turned from blue to red in 2017, and if you live there and have to deal with as basic a commodity as water not being available for so long, you would be thinking why the hell should I vote for more of the same of this? So when a loud, successful businessman comes along and starts giving policians a piece of his mind, and the alternative is a candidate as insipid as Hillary Clinton, I suppose I can understand the appeal of that. It's much the same as Brexit in that a big factor was simply sticking two fingers up at the establishment. If they elect him for a second term though then there really is no excuse. Anyone looking at how he's handling Covid and the race protests and thinking he's doing a good job must be either wicked or insane. A four-year-old could handle it better, and that really is no exaggeration. Exactly this. If anyone else at all had stood against Trump they would have won. |
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Post by keysersoze on Jun 3, 2020 13:31:26 GMT
I try to be fair to them on this and come to an understanding of why the more rational of Americans might have voted for him. I often think there's a parallel between how we view Obama and how they view Thatcher. Thatcher was generally popular with Americans because she displayed a lot of the qualities they see as quintessential British - a very posh accent, a stiff upper lip and so on. Brits tend to like Obama because he displays a lot of what we like to see in Americans - he was cool, courteous, a good orator and he could even sing and dance! In truth, when judging a leader from afar you don't always get the full picture. Many Americans don't appreciate how divisive Thatcher was and how much misery she created for many British communities. Similar, a lot of Americans felt let down by Obama and not enough really changed during his reign. An example that stands out to me is people in Flint, Michigan having no water to their taps for over two years, a situation that I believe still hasn't been fully resolved today. Michigan was one of the states that turned from blue to red in 2017, and if you live there and have to deal with as basic a commodity as water not being available for so long, you would be thinking why the hell should I vote for more of the same of this? So when a loud, successful businessman comes along and starts giving policians a piece of his mind, and the alternative is a candidate as insipid as Hillary Clinton, I suppose I can understand the appeal of that. It's much the same as Brexit in that a big factor was simply sticking two fingers up at the establishment. If they elect him for a second term though then there really is no excuse. Anyone looking at how he's handling Covid and the race protests and thinking he's doing a good job must be either wicked or insane. A four-year-old could handle it better, and that really is no exaggeration. Exactly this. If anyone else at all had stood against Trump they would have won. Including Bernie? Not convinced he'd have fared any better. |
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Post by Lobster on Jun 3, 2020 14:09:06 GMT
Exactly this. If anyone else at all had stood against Trump they would have won. Including Bernie? Not convinced he'd have fared any better. Hillary didn't help, but I think sometimes a weak opposition is used as a convenient excuse for the way people are voting, masking a bigger problem.
We put a firm left candidate up against our own version of Trump, and it didn't work. However, the Tories have seen off two other very different Labour leaders in Brown and Milliband, so I'm not sure what the answer is. I'm not convinced it's Keir Starmer though!
Politics has moved considerably towards the populist right in recent years. I think we've just got to hope that now voters have got what they want, they come to realise that they don't want it next time!
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Post by mabinogion on Sept 22, 2020 17:13:32 GMT
The US is a cleft country in all but name. There’s white America & then there’s Black America. The WA will not & never have let a powerful black voice, who puts black people first gain a position of power. Obama won, but he didn’t do it on racial lines, in fact he went out of his way to not make his presidency a race term. He could have righted some wrongs but he wasnt driven.
The ones with the voice & the drive have been & will continue to be taken out. There are reasons Malcolm x, Martin Luther King, Megan Evers, Fred Hampton, Harry & Harriette Moore were all assassinated. They had the power of the street behind them & they gave young black people hope. That hope had to be taken away, & it was.
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