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Post by Firestick Frank on Jul 5, 2020 15:55:08 GMT
... to a real bastion of socialism, our National Health Service.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jul 5, 2020 16:54:37 GMT
... to a real bastion of socialism, our National Health Service. 💙✊✊ Based on the Idea first introduced by the Conservatives but anyway what a great institution no matter what side of the fence you may be (too many chiefs and not enough Braves at times) |
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Post by Ian H Block on Jul 5, 2020 17:29:08 GMT
... to a real bastion of socialism, our National Health Service. 💙✊✊ Based on the Idea first introduced by the Conservatives but anyway what a great institution no matter what side of the fence you may be (too many chiefs and not enough Braves at times) It’s a bit of a myth that the Tories came up with the idea of the NHS. Their 1944 White Paper, whilst making health care free(ish) for all would be funded through workers’ insurance schemes and local charitable fundraising, with no state involvement. My 85 year old Dad (soon to be 86, next week) was almost crippled by severe asthma and other respiratory illnesses in childhood, compounded by the fact that his family could not afford medication for him. He says the NHS was the greatest thing ever, as the necessary treatment was provided free of charge and his health improved immediately. Thank you Clem Attlee, Nye Bevan and the heroic 1945 Labour Government. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jul 5, 2020 17:30:45 GMT
The Tories voted against the NHS creation 22 times.
It’s proud socialist Nye Bevan who created the NHS.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jul 5, 2020 17:57:54 GMT
Based on the Idea first introduced by the Conservatives but anyway what a great institution no matter what side of the fence you may be (too many chiefs and not enough Braves at times) My 85 year old Dad (soon to be 86, next week) was almost crippled by severe asthma and other respiratory illnesses in childhood, compounded by the fact that his family could not afford medication for him. He says the NHS was the greatest thing ever, as the necessary treatment was provided free of charge and his health improved immediately. Thank you Clem Attlee, Nye Bevan and the heroic 1945 Labour Government. How can it be a myth its a fact that the basis of the NHS was born in a 1944 white paper from a Conservative led government and the biggest workers insurance scheme is National Insurance |
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Post by Ian H Block on Jul 5, 2020 18:06:41 GMT
It’s a bit of a myth that the Tories came up with the idea of the NHS. Their 1944 White Paper, whilst making health care free(ish) for all would be funded through workers’ insurance schemes and local charitable fundraising, with no state involvement. My 85 year old Dad (soon to be 86, next week) was almost crippled by severe asthma and other respiratory illnesses in childhood, compounded by the fact that his family could not afford medication for him. He says the NHS was the greatest thing ever, as the necessary treatment was provided free of charge and his health improved immediately. Thank you Clem Attlee, Nye Bevan and the heroic 1945 Labour Government. How can it be a myth its a fact that the basis of the NHS was born in a 1944 white paper from a Conservative led government and the biggest workers insurance scheme is National Insurance It wasn’t a NATIONAL Health Service they were proposing though. It was to be organised and funded locally, with the inevitable variations in standards geographically. They proposed no state involvement, so patently wasn’t a National service. Not a difficult concept surely? |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jul 5, 2020 18:24:32 GMT
It’s a bit of a myth that the Tories came up with the idea of the NHS. Their 1944 White Paper, whilst making health care free(ish) for all would be funded through workers’ insurance schemes and local charitable fundraising, with no state involvement. My 85 year old Dad (soon to be 86, next week) was almost crippled by severe asthma and other respiratory illnesses in childhood, compounded by the fact that his family could not afford medication for him. He says the NHS was the greatest thing ever, as the necessary treatment was provided free of charge and his health improved immediately. Thank you Clem Attlee, Nye Bevan and the heroic 1945 Labour Government. How can it be a myth its a fact that the basis of the NHS was born in a 1944 white paper from a Conservative led government and the biggest workers insurance scheme is National Insurance He’s literally explained it in the post you quoted. |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jul 5, 2020 18:48:44 GMT
How can it be a myth its a fact that the basis of the NHS was born in a 1944 white paper from a Conservative led government and the biggest workers insurance scheme is National Insurance It wasn’t a NATIONAL Health Service they were proposing though. It was to be organised and funded locally, with the inevitable variations in standards geographically. They proposed no state involvement, so patently wasn’t a National service. Not a difficult concept surely? National means throughout the nation state involvement doesn't come into it. Yes it was fine tuned by Bevan but it was an a Conservative concept |
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Post by Ian H Block on Jul 5, 2020 19:16:46 GMT
It wasn’t a NATIONAL Health Service they were proposing though. It was to be organised and funded locally, with the inevitable variations in standards geographically. They proposed no state involvement, so patently wasn’t a National service. Not a difficult concept surely? National means throughout the nation state involvement doesn't come into it. Yes it was fine tuned by Bevan but it was an a Conservative concept So you are claiming the Conservatives are responsible for something they didn’t do (founding the NHS), yet when it come to something they did do (cause 0000s of unnecessary deaths through incompetence whilst in charge of NHS), they are in no way responsible? |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jul 5, 2020 19:28:36 GMT
National means throughout the nation state involvement doesn't come into it. Yes it was fine tuned by Bevan but it was an a Conservative concept So you are claiming the Conservatives are responsible for something they didn’t do (founding the NHS), yet when it come to something they did do (cause 0000s of unnecessary deaths through incompetence whilst in charge of NHS), they are in no way responsible? This is a thread about celebrating the NHS not covid there is a seperate thread for that |
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Post by Ian H Block on Jul 5, 2020 19:34:06 GMT
So you are claiming the Conservatives are responsible for something they didn’t do (founding the NHS), yet when it come to something they did do (cause 0000s of unnecessary deaths through incompetence whilst in charge of NHS), they are in no way responsible? This is a thread about celebrating the NHS not covid there is a seperate thread for that Yeah sorry, especially as the two are totally unrelated. |
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Post by Lobster on Jul 6, 2020 6:31:23 GMT
I don't really care whose creation it was 72 years ago to be honest. There were probably politicians on both sides who played major roles, and straight after the war with a population to rebuild, it was no doubt a necessity.
More important is now. The NHS is just about the only thing I could go to another country and say I'm proud of, and there are certain people who are trying make it appear inoperable as an excuse for selling it. We must not allow it to happen.
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